I am thinking of isolating the vocal samples in the track and using them like that Malv.

Glad you liked the track

I think it can be a hell of a trailer theme.

Hi lads.


I have been a little absent these last days and silent, I am currently in the process of relocating, my day is usually filled with house repairs, choosing colors, installing furniture and the such, I wish I could beam things into place.

Anyhoo, it make take a little while to upload a track, but I am still here.

We understand that. We are all doing this in our spare time. I am slowly sorting out the Cardassian fleet.

I've been away for the last few days as well. Matress has a bit of a sun tan now thanks to sunny Devon and Cornwall.

We all know that we have lives to lead, and accept that there will be temporary reductions or production booms in output. There's no need to worry, Sandman. Take all the time that you need to finish moving. We'll still be here when you're ready to resume your composing. And we'll be as ready as ever to listen to your masterpieces.

Jeesh, it has been about a month since I managed to log here. Sorry lads. moving out and into a new home is a great hassle and huge timesink. My new studio is not yet up, I did manage though to scrape a new track, thinking more of ambient music to dress the game.

I will upload it as soon as possible (now namely) and provide a link here.

It is so good to see you again. I am busy too so I understand how it gets. We are looking forward to your new track.

Track up at www.star-trek-games.com


MOE wrote:




As always, it has been a pleasure, looking forward to your feedback lads.
Hope you enjoy the music.

I am on the road so can not download the tracks right now.

Looking forward to hearing them. Keep up the good work.

two things I noticed: The amplitude is quite low compared to my other tracks so I had to double the volume of my loudspeakers to be able to hear anything. But this is of course quickly remedied by amplyfying it with audacity. Another thing is the prominent bass (the "deep" "wave-like" sounds). I could imagine if you hear that over and over again, that it becomes a little "monotone". Maybe a tidbit more melody and 1-2 other instruments to liven it up a bit, even for an ambient track, would be nice. Pretty much like with our other tracks, they also got more stuff going on.

/end constructive criticism

Appreciated Malv.


Regarding the volume: It's not mastered, the track hasn't undergone the mastering process which I can not complete unless my studio is up once again.

Regarding the ambience: Well, this is a tad tricky. Ambient is supposed to be like that, it's background music that needs to have minimal emphatic melodies so that it does not distract. It's a "mood" music, monotone as you said indeed. The deep bass frequencies you write about are true. It's a trick, bass goes live all the time, you can always hear it, but rarely notice it. But it's there instead of silence.
Let me give an example of exemplar bass frequencies usage. If you play Fallout 3 you will understand what I am typing about. There are times where you do not wish to have music playing, but then again, you can't have silence. At these times come the bass frequencies.

Anyhoo, I enjoy this constructive criticism a lot, it gives me an opportunity to correct things and you the opportunity to understand the way I am thinking making music, so keep it up.


PS. Jesus, how long must one wait for a carpet. Believe it or not, it's the thing that keeps my studio apart at the moment, a single blue colored carpet. Jeeesh..

You do seam to understand how to use what kind of music where.

You know that is one question Ironically he might be able to answer

Regards Wolfe

I'm currently working on updating the credits list for the game, so if anyone wants to be added to the list, why not have a go at creating some music for us?

Will there be music for when you meet a new race/empire? Will it be unique? If so, i have one that could work for a spying civilization.

(This is not mine. This was meant to be a joke.)

I can't seem to load it, but it would have been Somebody's Watching Me(Remix) by Mysto & Pizzi (the song in the geico commercial with the stack of cash with two eyes.)

Sandman has left the project. We had an offer from a professional composer of music for movies and games. Our new composer was willing to do all our music for in game credit but required that he be the only composer. Sandman was upset over the way it was handled. I do not know of any plans to have specific music for an alien encounters but could just be ignorant. I have not been in contacted with our new composer in some time and have not seen that he has sent us any music.

AndrewJT only initially demanded to be the sole contributor. Wasn't MoE going to talk to Sandman about rejoining according to our Staff room thread about it?

I have talked to Sandman, but he's made his decision. Sandman is making music for the The Aftermath Mod (For Star Trek: Legacy) now, and asked me to remove all his music samples from Sharepoint, which I did a few weeks ago.

AndrewJT is now composing ALL of the music for us. He's backed down on his requirement to be the sole music contributor, but with the loss of Sandman no one else is contributing music so this makes no difference. Andrew has produced music for us already; Supremacy has new intro/menu music, which you'll get to hear in the next update, Jamie. I spoke to Mike last night, and he again confirmed that he's *trying* to get the next update ready for easter, but can't make any promises on that.

Andrew seems to be bypassing Sharepoint and you, Kenneth, and is sending everything to Mike directly. I'm not even sure whether he's given permission for his music to be put on Sharepoint. I haven't spoken to Andrew since he first appeared, and he still hasn't replied to my email about what happened.

Just recently found out about the Star Trek Supremacy project and couldn't help but read the music forum. In your last post you seemed content with the games new composer, however I couldn't help but notice a lot of the original music still in the game. Is the invitation still open to compose? I have a couple projects I'm in the final stages of and when they are done I wouldn't mind having a go at some of the tracks, that is if the invitation still stands. No promises, life does have a tendancy to get in the way of our hobbies but if I attempt it what kind of time frame are you shooting for?

Timing wouldn't be an issue i think, just develop as you can. Previously we had someone who was composing for us under the condition that no one else join, however I'am not sure whether he is still here or actually whether that clause actually existed.

MOE will have more information and no doubt will beam down any minute now .


Regards Wolfe

LOL Wolfe, I was typing this message whilst you posted.

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Hey TitanST4, welcome to the forums!

We are always looking for people to help make the game. If you would like to make any music for the game, then please feel free to do so. Check out the first post in this thread for a little more information on exactly what we're looking for, and send any music you create to either myself, Kenneth_of_Borg, or Mstrobel. We will put it up on our dedicated content hosting site, Sharepoint, and find a place for it in the game.

I'm not really sure what you mean by "I couldn't help but notice a lot of the original music still in the game." though; ALL of the music in Supremacy is unique; it has all been specially composed for the game to my knowledge. There is no music from BOTF in the game. If you've noticed some music examples from other games on Sharepoint, then those files are there for Inspiration purposes only; this music won't make it into the game. Or if you've heard some music in the game from the X series of games, then makes sure you've got a recent version of the game. Mike removed that music a long time ago.

As for a time frame, we're looking at years before the game is fully complete. Supremacy is around two years old now, but the game version is still only 0.4, and many major game components are yet to be implemented, such as an Intel system, an AI, or tactical combat. However, since AndrewJT is supposedly working on the music, you would be working against his time frame. But I don't know what that time frame is since he ignored my previous attempts at communicating with him. He's only produced the one music track so far to my knowledge though, so he's not exactly pumping out the tracks, and the new menu music is a few months old already, so if you've got other projects on at the moment, I wouldn't worry about needing to complete those first.

We also realise that everyone has their own lives to lead; just because you've said you would help us, we won't hold you to that and hunt you down until you actually make something lol. We're all fans here that happen to love the game and are willing to spend our spare time producing usable content. But we're all unpaid contributors, and we have our own lives to lead. Some people say they will make things and we never see them again. Other people say they've got a little spare time and end up making massive contributions to the game. And a lot of other people are active contributors but disappear for weeks on end. But they always come back when they can. Everyone is different and we all have different commitments. We understand that, and we won't hold you to anything. But the more music you contribute, the sooner the game will be completed and the happier we will all be.

It would be wise to check with mstrobel about the status of music at this point. We all want more original music and also do not want anyone to feel rejected.

How would you suggest getting in touch with him the easiest?

Well there are two ways. Wait for him to post here, or send him a PM. His sign in name is Mstrobel. You're best bet is to PM him.

Hey its Davumaya, I'm still alive! I departed back then to ride the real estate wave and now after crashing back into a normal job, I'm back. There was this kind of weird feeling I got recently that I should return to BOTF2. I went to Sharepoint but oddly few of my tracks are up there right now or have been mislabeled. Could someone PM me access so I can reupload the tracks I have.

So there are several projects now? As such, what would I be writing music for if any. This time around I'd like to offer at least checkpoints as to what needs to get done so if I have to leave again, it won't put everything in disarray. Last I heard the german game was using my Federation track which btw I have remastered again to be more "realistic."

Please contact via email or PM or AIM -- Eric James -- jame0182@umn.edu -- AIM: LiquifiedE

Davumaya! Welcome back mate!

In your absence, we had a bit of a problem on the music front; a guy called AndrewJT popped up and said he would produce all of the music for us. Andrew is a professional composer and has actually made stuff for other games and Hollywood. Unfortunately though, his offer came with a demand. If he was going to make music for us, he had to be the sole music contributor. This angered a lot of people, and we actually lost our only other active music contributor, Sandman, because of the unfair demands. Sandman asked us to remove all the music he had produced, and the music tracks got a little mixed up when this happened. Sandman is now making music for the upcoming Aftermath 3.0 mod for Star Trek: Legacy.

Andrew has now backed down and is no longer making demands. He's produced one music track so far that we're actually using - the May update included his new menu music. This music is not up on Sharepoint though; Andrew won't upload it, and he's ignored almost every attempt at communicating with him that i've made. He seems to work solely through Mike now.

If you still want to help us after this disheartening news, then send a PM to Mike, aka Mstrobel, if you need Sharepoint access. Mike is the only person who can give you access, as he owns the botf2.com Sharepoint site.

The music that we need for the game is still pretty much everything. There are still only four music tracks in the game - the original three in .ogg format, plus Andrew's menu music in .mp3 format. It's really up to you then what sort of music you produce. If you want to produce general game music though, you might want to contact Mike about whether he has any preferences or plans to introduce new features that require music. Alternatively if you want to create combat music, send a PM to CdrWolfe; Wolfe is the guy that is programming the 3D combat system.

As you've noticed, the BOTF2 project has expanded a little in your absence, but Supremacy and BotE are still the only BOTF2 games that we have. Allegiance is currently in hibernation whilst Nemitor gets through uni, and the new Trekwar game aims to take its place, so Nem will have a nice bit of competition if he decides to start producing Allegiance again at a future date.

Hey Guys,
So I know I said I had another project to work on but I got so excited about the project I've already started working on some stuff. My question is I am completely unfamiliar with the Sharepoint website. Is that still the preferred method of communication or is there another avenue I should pursue. Thanks!

Hey Titan, our Sharepoint Site is a file depository location for registered users. Basically, if people create a file for the game, we upload if to Sharepoint so that anyone working on any of the games can then freely access the file and use it/them as they need for their game. Anyone can download the files, but only registered users can edit or delete files. Think of it like our own personal version of a file hosting site such as Mediafire or Fileshack.

To get a Sharepoint account, send a PM to Mstrobel asking for access, detailing that you intend to make files for the project.

Once you've got an account, you'll be able to log in using the log in details he provides you and then you'll be able to upload the content that you produce using the existing file structure, or new folders that you can create yourself. Sharepoint can actually be incredibly easy to use; if uses a similar file structure to that used on your PC, and, if you activate Explorer mode, icons and folders will look and act exactly as they do as though they were on your desktop - you can even drag-and-drop or copy-and-paste files between Sharepoint and your desktop or vice-versa. Unfortunately, there is a major bug in Sharepoint that prevents some users - including myself - from using the explorer view if you use Internet Explorer 8 and have Windows XP. Microsoft is working on an update to fix this but it isn't scheduled for release until Christmas at the earliest.

Good to see you again TitanST4. Mike said we need a lot of music yet. We would love to hear your work and host it on SharePoint.

I find this very degrading and insulting. You act like I grabbed the project from you and am holding it hostage for my own sake. I was contacted and asked if I could come aboard this project to compose the music. Before I did anything, I explained what my terms were (and all professionals do NOT like stock music) and I was still asked to compose the music. I have been working very hard for no monetary gains, just to help out a small game project (also which most professionals don't do for free).

If I'm so demanding and me being aboard is disheartening to you, then why did you waste my time and effort by bringing me into the project? If you had disagreed with my terms and it really angered as many people as you say... why still want me on the job? Also, I have been communicating with Mike because he's the team leader and obviously the "director" of the project if you will. Composers usually only collaborate with the directors. When I did take the time to contact you directly VIA MSN... you either did not respond, or immediately signed off. Mattress, clearly you should work on being a professional yourself before trying to work with any other professionals in the future.

EDIT: Problem resolved.

Andrew, it has been me that has been trying to contact you. I sent you several emails, all of which were ignored. I also tried contacting you on MSN, and again I received no reply. I have not received any MSN messages from you for which to ignore either, so clearly something is going wrong with both of our attempts at communication. I stopped trying to directly contact you after speaking with Mike about my inability to communicate with you, as he said he would speak to you on my behalf. Shortly afterwards he told me that you had changed your mind about the restrictions. Unfortunately, by that time Sandman had already decided to leave with his contributions, and Davumaya had not been on the forums for several months, leaving us with you as the sole music contributor for the game.

I did not wish to imply any sort of malice with that post, but seeing as until now I have had next to no contact with you, and most of that through Mike, I could not see any other reason for how events seemed to play out. If I caused any offence to you then I apologize, but I stand by my comments about people being angered because I know how hurt Sandman felt at the time. I spoke with him at length and asked him to stay, but he believed we would prefer to comply with your terms rather than allow sole contributions, making him feel that his contributions had been unnecessary. People had also asked me about the apparent lack of new music (In the time between these events and the inclusion of your new Menu Music in the May update) and I wasn't able to give them an answer because I did not know myself, especially with the lack of communication between us.

I would also like to point out that I have never said "I do not want AndrewJT to make the music". The fact of the matter is that I am happy so long as the game does actually have music, regardless of the source. I would just be *happier* if everyone that wished to make a contribution was freely given the chance to do so, as you have now allowed people to do once again.

I pride myself in <usually> knowing the answer to questions posted on the forums, and I like to think that I post in a civilised manner. I hope we can get past this problem and hope that you continue producing music for the game. Producing the game is what matters most to me, so please do not put that at risk over any malice you perceive as being directed at you in my comments. I am merely frustrated that these events happened in the first place.