I will probably update this thread at times with new ideas and input. Such updates will be posted in the colour orange.



COMPLETE SHIPLISTS and other INFO
(for future reference for any that still need to know)


note: Many people said the other empires did not have enough ships. Now they do, also with the additions of Scouts as well.

*NOTE new SCOUT position in table
*Heavy Destroyer I Soyuz class is new too.



STARSHIP VALUES, VARIABLES AND RESOURCES

This is the complete (for now) starship values/modifiers/resources list.

TACTICAL
Beam Arrays
Beam Damage
Torpedo Tubes
Torpedo Damage
Weapons Range
Beam Refire
Shield Strength
Shield Recharge
Hull Strength
Overall Power
Crew Experience (x modifier)

EQUIPMENT
Science Ability (new)
Sensor Range
Scan Power (new)
Manoeuvrability
Intercept Strength
Raiding Ability
Population Health (new - ties in with empire health structure resource)

ECONOMY
Cost
Maintenance
Fuel Usage
Speed
Range


NEW VALUES

+% Population Health.

This would act as another game resource. In order for Hospital Ships to have any value in the game, they to be affected by a resource value, and this is it.

HOSPITAL SHIP (a write-up description of how they work)

These vessels are considered starships in themselves, and have specific mission parameters. They are commonly deployed behind the front lines of various conflicts, wars and disaster zones. They often have simple, yet functional designs, with medium armaments and crews ranging from 100 to 250, a large proportion of which are Doctors, Nurses, triage medics and many other medical technicians and specialists, which would either be called upon for relief efforts during wartime, or any number of medical emergencies and sudden outbreaks on the innermost systems out to the most distant colonies.

Note: each empire has the ability to control 'Population Health' - aided by health centres and clinics (described later) that can be built in any system. This 'resource' only comes into action in times of crisis - when the system is attacked incurring casualties, when there is a global pandemic random event, or natural disaster. Now, Hospital ships have a default Population Health bonus that hovers around the 20% mark. They have the ability to supply and furnish Medical Centres with personnel and equipment, and in such a crisis, in a system that has a Medical centre in place, a potential of +45% population control can be in effect. (for a further explanation, see Medical Centres as a structure, described later).

Purpose / Special Abilities:

* Offers up to 20% Pop. Health per system - and that is for 1 Hospital Ship or 50 in a single system (it makes no difference)

* All ships (except Colony ships) have some level of Population Health capability - but it works the same as Hospital ships in respects to numbers. 1 Cruiser or 50 Cruisers have the same percentage output in a single system (this has to be in effect really, because if the percentages were accumulative, it would possible in some systems to prevent any population loss at all).

* With random event disasters, such as seismic activities and asteroid strikes etc, a warning will be given some turns before, stating that a potential disaster has been detected. This gives you time to race to the location (if you're in time) with a hospital ship to anticipate it.

* In systems where there is a Hospital ship as well as a mixture of starship types and a disaster strikes, command of the operation is passed over to the Hospital ship, and its Population Health bonus is activated. The percentage bonuses of the other ship types become redundant.

* The health percentage bonuses of other ship types, such as Cruisers and Destroyers etc are nominal, ranging in the 2 - 5% range, making Hospital ships have an important and relevant place in the fleet. Explorers are the best of the non-Hospital ship types, offering up to 7 and 8%.

SHIPLIST CHANGES

TRANSPORTS (renaming Troop Transports)

These are the common frequenters of the shipping lanes throughout regional as well as frontier space, moving personnel and supplies. They have a diverse and versatile designation, with swappable load-pods, as they are designed to operate as Freighters, Cargo ships, Utility vessels and Troop carriers alike.

Note: proposal of a name change here to general 'Transport', as the function now implies multiple fields. Transport deployments could be mission specific, deployed for either invasion, colonization, or the building of a station - and hence would be responsible for transporting multiple goods, hardware and weapons, as well as troops.

Purpose / Special Abilities:

* To make exploration and expansion a little more thought-provoking and meticulous.

* I suggest that a taskforce of three vessels are required for terraforming and colonization. 1). Colony Ship, for the personnel and the colonists themselves. 2) A Surveyor / Science vessel to carry out the planetary survey and terraforming. 3). A Transport to deliver the hardware and goods necessary to get the colony on its feet.

* It gets other peoples idea of a Freighter type role into the game, without the need of having another ship type - the Transport can do it all.

* All Klingon Transports are armed, but only Transport III's of the other races are combat-capable.


A NEW SHIP TYPE

SCOUT (new to the list)

This designation is attributed to some of the smaller cruisers whose task it is to scout and patrol the borders and sensitive regions for fleet movements and the military activity of rival powers. Such an example would be the Neutral Zones, DMZ's, and the general outlying perimteres of local space. Scouts can be specifically deployed to these regions from nearby Outposts and Starbases - and operate best alone. Scouts are so designated because their power consumption is not geared to weapons or shields (it is not a strong combat performer), but to Scan Power most critically, as well as Range and Fuel Economy. These are the Scouts main strengths, and sets it apart from other fleet deployment as a unique, but important component. Moving ahead of the fleet for early warning the Scout is master, and when regrouping with the fleet for combat scenarios they have the extra capability of discerning ship strengths and Orders (like the Surveyor in Botf 1).

Purpose / Special Abilities:

* Scan Power (in which field the Scout is expert) is not Sensor Range. Range signifies the outer limits a scan can reach, Scan Power signifies the accuracy and resolution of such scans - which is the premium ability of a Scout.

* Scouts are expensive, and quite high in maintenance. They are not designed for combat, for they do not have great weapons, shields, but they do have excellent manoeuvrability in combat, are best suited to an Evade order. On Scouting missions they operate best roaming alone in their stealth operations on the frontiers.

* The other key attribute of a Scout is its Raiding ability, which is the highest in the game, exceeding Destroyers. Able to scan and monitor enemy shipping lanes it can quickly seize trade route trafficking and their credits, effectively halting productivity in a system.

* Will have its own separate Orders list in combat, much like the old Strike Cruiser, which will give you another assault and attack option.


CHANGES TO THE SURVEYOR ROLE

SURVEYOR

The role of a Surveyor is that of a science/research vessel, whose primary deployment is the exploration and charting of new and unknown territories and star systems. Although other ship types such as various Cruisers and Explorers (the Galaxy Class being a prime example) can carry out these duties, a Surveyor is designed specially for planetary and stellar surveying, armed with only standard weaponry.

Purpose / Special Abilities:

* Gaining Research points through scanning and studying objects

* Is a prerequisite for the terraforming of worlds in tandem with Colony ships and Transports.

(I'll explain fully how Research and scanning works in a separate post)


THE FULL SHIPSLISTS



FEDERATION

COLONY SHIP I---------Conestoga Class TECH 0
COLONY SHIP II--------Edwards Class TECH 4 U/G
COLONY SHIP III-------Quebec Class TECH 8 U/G

TRANSPORT I-----------Phobos Class TECH 0
TRANSPORT II----------London Class TECH 4 U/G
TRANSPORT III---------Yorkshire Class TECH 9 U/G

HOSPITAL SHIP I--------Chapman Class TECH 3
HOSPITAL SHIP II-------Olympic Class TECH 9

SURVEYOR I--------------Enterprise Class TECH 0
SURVEYOR II-------------Oberth Class TECH 3
SURVEYOR III------------Nova Class TECH 9

SCOUT I-------------------Hermes Class TECH 1
SCOUT II------------------Soyuz Class TECH 5
HEAVY SCOUT-------------Sabre Class TECH 9

FRIGATE I------------------Daedalus Class TECH 1
FRIGATE II-----------------Miranda Class TECH 4
FRIGATE III----------------New Orleans TECH 7

HEAVY DESTROYER I-------Constellation Class TECH 4
HEAVY DESTROYER II------Steamrunner Class TECH 8
ESCORT---------------------Defiant Class TECH 10

CRUISER I------------------Icarus Class TECH 0
CRUISER II-----------------Constitution Class 1 TECH 2
CRUISER III----------------Constitution Class 2 U/G TECH 4
CRUISER IV-----------------Niagara Class TECH 6
CRUISER V------------------Intrepid Class TECH 10

HEAVY CRUISER I-----------Excelsior Class TECH 5
HEAVY CRUISER II----------Nebula Class TECH 8
HEAVY CRUISER III---------Akira Class TECH 11

TACTICAL CRUISER---------Prometheus Class TECH 12

EXPLORER I-----------------Ambassador Class TECH 6
EXPLORER II----------------Galaxy Class TECH 8
EXPLORER III---------------Sovereign Class TECH 11

New additions here:
-Added Sabre Class as the Heavy Scout in place of Freedom Class
-Made Constellation Class Heavy Destroyer I, Soyuz is now Scout II
-Added Constitution Refit (upgrades from TOS Connie) in Constellation's place as Cruiser III


CARDASSIANS

COLONY SHIP I--------------Kureal Class TECH 0
COLONY SHIP II-------------Ranol Class U/G TECH 4
COLONY SHIP III------------Kornal Class U/G TECH 8

TRANSPORT I-----------------Ravinok Class TECH 0
TRANSPORT II----------------Toran Class U/G TECH 4
TRANSPORT III---------------Bok'Nor Class U/G TECH 9

TRIAGE CRUISER--------------Kivirok Class TECH 4

SURVEY SHIP I-----------------Nerevok Class TECH 0
SURVEY SHIP II----------------Kakor Class TECH 4
SURVEY SHIP III---------------Praxon Class TECH 9

SCOUT I ------------------------Drexoran Class TECH 1
SCOUT II -----------------------Komax Class U/G TECH 4
HEAVY SCOUT ------------------Tra'Kor Class U/G TECH 9

DESTROYER I---------------------Trager Class TECH 1
DESTROYER II--------------------Hideki Class 1 TECH 4
DESTROYER III-------------------Hideki Class 2 U/G TECH 7

HEAVY DESTROYER I -------------Koronek Class TECH 4
HEAVY DESTROYER II-------------Jurdek Class TECH 9

CRUISER I-------------------------Kraxon Class TECH 1
CRUISER II------------------------Tekoran Class TECH 4
CRUISER III-----------------------Kirol Class TECH 7
CRUISER IV------------------------Galor Class TECH 9

HEAVY CRUISER I------------------Irkon Class TECH 6
HEAVY CRUISER II-----------------Keldon Class TECH 10

DREADNOUGHT I--------------------Monak Class TECH 5
DREADNOUGHT II-------------------Koranak Class TECH 8
DREADNOUGHT III------------------Ranor Class TECH 12



ROMULANS

COLONY SHIP I-------------------D'Trexor Class TECH 0
COLONY SHIP II------------------D'Retex Class U/G TECH 4
COLONY SHIP III-----------------D'Vetor Class U/G TECH 8

TRANSPORT I----------------------R'Deminor Class TECH 0
TRANSPORT II---------------------R'Daran Class U/G TECH 4
TRANSPORT III--------------------R'Jol Class U/G TECH 9

MEDICAL FRIGATE I----------------Torvath Class TECH 3
MEDICAL FRIGATE II---------------Vralnath Class U/G TECH 8

SCIENCE SHIP I---------------------D'Raxinor Class TECH 0
SCIENCE SHIP II--------------------D'Renet Class TECH 4
SCIENCE SHIP III-------------------D'Rakor Class TECH 9

SCOUT I -----------------------------R'Mor Class TECH 2
SCOUT II ----------------------------D'Kor Class U/G TECH 5
HEAVY SCOUT -----------------------R'Kovar Class U/G TECH 10

DESTROYER I-------------------------D'Lokra Class TECH 1
DESTROYER II------------------------D'Raniden Class TECH 4
DESTROYER III-----------------------D'Rutura Class TECH 7
HEAVY DESTROYER-------------------D'Xokra Class TECH 11

CRUISER I---------------------------D'Ridrex Class TECH 1
CRUISER II--------------------------D'Renedex Class TECH 3
CRUISER III-------------------------R'Derex Class TECH 6
CRUISER IV--------------------------D'Bora Class TECH 8

BATTLEHAWK I-----------------------R'Tan Class TECH 5
BATTLEHAWK II----------------------D'Drexon Class TECH 8
BATTLEHAWK III---------------------D'Idricon Class TECH 11

WARBIRD I---------------------------D'Voronir Class TECH 4
WARBIRD II--------------------------D'Deridex Class TECH 9
WARHAWK----------------------------Valdore Class TECH 12



KLINGONS

COLONY SHIP I---------------------M'Char Class TECH 0
COLONY SHIP II--------------------Li'Wi Class U/G TECH 6

TRANSPORT I-----------------------Vor'Chang Class TECH 0
TRANSPORT II----------------------Charghwi Class U/G TECH 4
TRANSPORT III---------------------K'Toch Class U/G TECH 9

SURVEYOR I------------------------Vornak Class TECH 0
SURVEYOR II-----------------------CharghwI Class TECH 4
SURVEYOR III----------------------ChelwI Class TECH 9

SCOUT I----------------------------B'rel Class 1 TECH 0
SCOUT II---------------------------B'rel Class 2 U/G TECH 5
SCOUT II---------------------------B'rel Class 3 U/G TECH 9

DESTROYER I----------------------Raptor Class TECH 1
DESTROYER II---------------------Scorpion Class TECH 4
DESTROYER III--------------------Bloodaxe Class TECH 7
DESTROYER IV---------------------Fireblade Class TECH 10

BATTLE CRUISER I-----------------Bortas D5 Class TECH 1
BATTLE CRUISER II----------------Gr'oth D7 Class TECH 4
BATTLE CRUISER III---------------K't'inga Class TECH 7
BATTLE CRUISER IV----------------K't'inga Class U/G TECH 11

HEAVY CRUISER I------------------Ning'tao Class TECH 6
HEAVY CRUISER II-----------------K'Vort Class TECH 9

ATTACK CRUISER I----------------Vor'Cha Class 1 TECH 5
ATTACK CRUISER II---------------Vor'Cha Class 2 U/G TECH 8
ASSAULT CRUISER II--------------Negh'Var Class TECH 12



DOMINION

COLONY SHIP I------------------Gecko class TECH 0
COLONY SHIP II-----------------Salamander Class U/G TECH 7

TRANSPORT I--------------------Storm Class TECH 0
TRANSPORT II-------------------Tempest CLass U/G TECH 4
TRANSPORT III------------------Typhoon Class U/G TECH 9

PROBE SHIP I--------------------Serpent Class TECH 0
PROBE SHIP II-------------------Viper Class TECH 6

SCOUT I--------------------------Monitor Class TECH 0
SCOUT II-------------------------Cobra Class U/G TECH 4
SCOUT III------------------------Serpent Class U/G TECH 9

ATTACK SHIP I-------------------Chameleon Class T1 TECH 1
ATTACK SHIP II------------------Oberon Class TECH 4
ATTACK SHIP III-----------------Vulture Class TECH 7
ATTACK SHIP IV------------------Darkwing Class TECH 10

BATTLE CRUISER I---------------Medusa Class TECH 0
BATTLE CRUISER II--------------Mirage Class TECH 5
BATTLE CRUISER III-------------Corona Class TECH 8
BATTLE CRUISER IV--------------Aurora Class TECH 11

BATTLESHIP I--------------------Vanguard Class TECH 4
BATTLESHIP II-------------------Penumbra Class TECH 9
BATTLESHIP III------------------Messiah Class TECH 12

Nice post, dafedz. Explanation of the new class is quite clear. I do have some questions about the list itself. For the feds, it now lists "surveyors, scouts and explorers". While I know they are a peacefull race, isn't that a bit too much exploration. What is now the difference between a surveyor and a scout? Or between the other races original science ships and their newly created 'scouts'?

Second, could you list which of the other races' ships would have the same functions as the feds'. Regarding Explorers, are the Cardassian Dreadnought, The Romulan Warbirds, Klingon Attack Cruisers and Dominion Battleships the same?

Dafedz made this post in the staff room, and we've been discussing it for a few days.

Basically, the Scout would be a kind of military science vessel - it has a similar scan power to that of the Surveyor, but its scanners are intended for purely military rather than research purposes. Instead of having biology labs, scientific probes, and ifeform scanners, the Scout is equipped with extra powerful short-range sensors, larger fuel supplies, and uber-efficient engines.

Surveyors are the equivalent of the old science vessels, but this time round they will actually do research. They will be able to commence scans new stellar phenomenae to generate research points, and they will be needed to "explore" a new system. Most of their crew is dedicated to research.

Instead of the old BOTF system where the moment you enter a system you know where every single planet and rock in the system is, you will first have to survey it with a surveyor first.

Only then will you be able to colonise it etc.

Explorers are basically a cross between a Scout and a Surveyor. They are actually better than Surveyors at research - but this is only because they are so much more advanced, and have a waaay higher crew complement.

This is offset by the fact that Explorers will only be available towards the end of the tech tree - chances are you will have scanned all the phenomena in the game by then, and the research points gained from doing so would barely be worth it by then.

In summary -
Surveyors: Highest-range ships due to their fuel efficiency. Best research capability until Explorers become available near end of the game. Necessary for exploring new systems. Designed for long-term missions in deep space without support.

Scouts: Highest scan strength, above average fuel efficiency, fast but poor combat performance due to weak weapons systems. Designed for long-term missions in deep space without support, works best alone rather than in groups.

Explorers: Gigantic multi-role ships with a high crew complement. More scientifically capable than Surveyors but only because they are more advanced, larger and have a greater crew complement. Only a small percentage of crew are actually dedicated to research though. Also have good combat performance but very expensive ships. Equally capable alone or in groups.

Yes that's basically it in a nutshell. Also the following compartmentalization (I love that word) of the categories and ship designations might also help to further clarify the ship roles...

BREAKDOWN of TYPES

In BoTF you had the following ship types, that were unique to their form and identity in the game, and how they behaved (of course there were different sub-types, such as 'Raiders' and 'Escorts', but they were all beneath the umbrella of the Destroyer category)

* COLONY SHIP
* TROOP TRANSPORT
* SCIENCE SHIP/SCOUT
* DESTROYER/FAST ATTACK
* CRUISER/WARSHIP
* STRIKE CRUISER
* COMMAND SHIP
* OUTPOST
* STARBASE

This is the proposal now for the available types in BotF2 (Federation types).
(In BOLD are new types)

* COLONY SHIP
* TRANSPORT
* HOSPITAL SHIP
* SURVEYOR/SCIENCE
* SCOUT
* DESTROYER/FAST ATTACK
* CRUISER/WARSHIP
* COMMAND SHIP
* DEPOT/OUTPOST
* STARBASE

Confusion might arise around the differences that divide the Destroyer, Cruiser and Command ship roles. This list outlines the current structure. (Note - Shiplist updated again)

DESTROYER/FAST ATTACK
FRIGATE I
FRIGATE II
FRIGATE III
HEAVY DESTROYER
ESCORT
DESTROYER I
DESTROYER II
DESTROYER III
HEAVY DESTROYER I
HEAVY DESTROYER II
DESTROYER I
DESTROYER II
DESTROYER III
HEAVY DESTROYER
DESTROYER I
DESTROYER II
DESTROYER III
DESTROYER IV
ATTACK SHIP I
ATTACK SHIP II
ATTACK SHIP III
ATTACK SHIP IV

CRUISER/WARSHIP
CRUISER I
CRUISER II
CRUISER III
CRUISER IV
CRUISER V
HEAVY CRUISER I
HEAVY CRUISER II
HEAVY CRUISER III
TACTICAL CRUISER
CRUISER I
CRUISER II
CRUISER III
CRUISER IV
HEAVY CRUISER I
HEAVY CRUISER II
CRUISER I
CRUISER II
CRUISER III
CRUISER IV
BATTLEHAWK I
BATTLEHAWK II
BATTLEHAWK III
BATTLECRUISER I
BATTLECRUISER II
BATTLECRUISER III
BATTLECRUISER IV
HEAVY CRUISER I
HEAVY CRUISER II
BATTLECRUISER I
BATTLECRUISER II
BATTLECRUISER III
BATTLECRUISER IV

COMMAND SHIP
EXPLORER I
EXPLORER II
EXPLORER III
DREADNOUGHT I
DREADNOUGHT II
DREADNOUGHT III
WARBIRD I
WARBIRD II
WARHAWK
ATTACK CRUISER I
ATTACK CRUISER II
ASSAULT CRUISER
BATTLESHIP I
BATTLESHIP II
BATTLESHIP III


The recent update to this list was compelled by the need for an equal number of Command ships for all empires.

will the X class fed ships (NX-01) be avalibe from the beging of the game?

"""SURVEYOR I--------------Enterprise Class TECH 0"""

It seems so.

First of Hiya everyone, I'm ModelsPlease, I have been an avid Trekkie since 1972, modelling ships for ST video games for 4 years now. Kenneth_of_Borg extended me an invite to join this most outstanding project, sent me these links so I thought I'd dive right in.

KLINGONS

You have ............
DESTROYER I----------------------Raptor Class TECH 1
This is the ENT era D5
DESTROYER II---------------------Scorpion Class TECH 4
Isn't this a romulan fighter?
DESTROYER III--------------------Bloodaxe Class TECH 7
DESTROYER IV---------------------Fireblade Class TECH 10

You have...............
SCOUT I----------------------------B'rel Class 1 TECH 0
SCOUT II---------------------------B'rel Class 2 U/G TECH 5
SCOUT II---------------------------B'rel Class 3 U/G TECH 9

I suggest
SCOUT I----------------------------Proto-BoP (22nd century) Class 1 TECH 0
SCOUT II---------------------------D12 Class 2 U/G TECH 5
SCOUT II---------------------------B'rel Class 3 U/G TECH 9

You have ..........
BATTLE CRUISER I-----------------Bortas D5 Class TECH 1
FYI- The IKS Bortas is the name of a RAPTOR class ship NOT a class name
BATTLE CRUISER II----------------Gr'oth D7 Class TECH 4
FYI- the N'Gr'oth is a name of a D7c class starship, a later model than the Klolode Class D6/7 ship seen in TOS
BATTLE CRUISER III---------------K't'inga Class TECH 7
BATTLE CRUISER IV----------------K't'inga Class U/G TECH 11

I suggest .............
BATTLE CRUISER I-----------------K'Taal D4 Class TECH 1
BATTLE CRUISER II----------------D-4 Predator Class TECH 4
BATTLE CRUISER III---------------Klolode D6/7 Class TECH 7
BATTLE CRUISER IV----------------K't'inga D7 Class U/G TECH 11

You have........
HEAVY CRUISER I------------------Ning'tao Class TECH 6
FYI-Ning'tao is the name of a K'vort class starship not a class
http://decipherstore.fanhq.com/TCG/Card.aspx?gameID=8&cardID=3224
HEAVY CRUISER II-----------------K'Vort Class TECH 9

I suggest .......
HEAVY CRUISER I------------------D9 Seeker Class TECH 6
HEAVY CRUISER II-----------------K'Vort Class TECH 9

DOMINION

For these since in canon the Dominion never had Class names I'll just post pics of the ships I am making available to Kenneth_of_Borg

Battlestation


Dominion Cruiser


Dominion Defence Outpost


Dominion Light Cruiser


Dominion Starbase


Dominion Transport


Heavy Attack Frigate


Jem'Hadar Attack Escort


Jem'Hadar Battlecruiser


Jem'Hadar Battleship


Jem'Hadar Mobile Attack Carrier


Karemman Trader


Planetary Defender


Scarab


Super Carrier


Tenak'talar Class


Vigilante Class


Virulent Class Destroyer


ROMULAN
You have......
WARBIRD I---------------------------D'Voronir Class TECH 4
Only info I could find is from Trekmania,,,no pic
WARBIRD II--------------------------D'Deridex Class TECH 9
WARHAWK----------------------------Valdore Class TECH 12 [/color]

Where's the Scimitar ? Gotta have the Scimitar
Valdore

I suggest.............
WARBIRD I---------------------------D'Deridex Class TECH 4
WARBIRD II--------------------------Valdore Class TECH 9
WARHAWK----------------------------Scimitar Class TECH 12 [/color]

FEDERATION
You have.........
TRANSPORT I-----------Phobos Class TECH 0
TRANSPORT II----------London Class TECH 4 U/G
TRANSPORT III---------Yorkshire Class TECH 9 U/G

The Phobos is a TMP desing (unless you have other schematics) I would please like to see pics of these other 2 designs

I'm not sure of all these class names you have as many I have never heard of and am going to assume they come from fan-fic for now. I ask most respectfully that we use canon class names whenever possible so I don't get confused and we can all be on the same page.
I humbly request pics of all these ships because I have no idea about a plethora of these class names (never heard of them) and I don't wish to be confused when making suggestions.
I'm going to continue to review this list and if I have any other suggestions I'll let ya know

-MP[/b]

hey man, nice to see you over here, some nice models there. the reason for some non canon names is so the shiplist could get padded out, however if you wish to change a name in the shiplist to something canon feel free to say which one you would like changed to a canon name and either myself or one of the other admins will take a look at it, the shiplist is not set in stone and i prefer the use of canon names myself whenever possible.
quick edit. that super carrier, i knew i recognised the shape, it`s very similer to a minbari scout

QUOTE........................................

KLINGONS

You have ............
DESTROYER I----------------------Raptor Class TECH 1
This is the ENT era D5
DESTROYER II---------------------Scorpion Class TECH 4
Isn't this a romulan fighter?
DESTROYER III--------------------Bloodaxe Class TECH 7
DESTROYER IV---------------------Fireblade Class TECH 10

You have...............
SCOUT I----------------------------B'rel Class 1 TECH 0
SCOUT II---------------------------B'rel Class 2 U/G TECH 5
SCOUT III---------------------------B'rel Class 3 U/G TECH 9

I suggest
SCOUT I----------------------------Proto-BoP (22nd century) Class 1 TECH 0
SCOUT II---------------------------D12 Class 2 U/G TECH 5
SCOUT II---------------------------B'rel Class 3 U/G TECH 9
....................................................................

My only concern about changes is that we retain the ship type.
As I understand it some games use the table of ship abilities for
balance in the fleets. see here and down the page at this link: http://www.trekmania.net/temp_files/botf2_home.htm

The rest is up to the devs and admins. Class change is no issue for me.

There are a lot of good suggestions here. lets take it one or two at a time.

1) Is there a specific change suggestion in what we have for the Klingon
destroyers above? At this link and down the page is what I set into the
Destroyer line. Should we change this?

http://www.botf2.com/Image%20Library/Fo ... ngon&View={2EAB3CAC-2EF3-4EA6-85DB-87B0D9B58BA0}

2) The Scout changes.

I put in the scouts looking like this in increasing order at SharePoint
Is the last one over the top? I or you can replace it with one of your models if you agree.

Wow, you have some outstanding models, ModelsPlease . We're very much in need of Dominion models, so your work should fit in very nicely here. Welcome to the project, btw .

Thanks for the warm welcome folks . Please don't get me wrong, IN GAME I don't care what the ship names are but for developement purposes I would like to use canon names so everyone is on the same page. I agree we should all address each class individually, and decide on what models are to be used for each one. I also agree to an extent about retaining ship type. BUT if another type replaces the original ship in said role then I think we should address those as the arise. Now to your quesation Ken, as ya already know I have a plethora of ships, stations etc spanning all eras, with that being said in reguards to the Klingon scouts I was thinking ......



-Lets work one role at a time, Scout, destroyer etc. Let's try to have period appropriate ships for each ENT era (whenever possible) for the lowest tech 2100-2200. TOS era next level 2200-2270. TMP era 2270-2300 TNG and beyond for highest tech 2300 and up.

-Obviously not all races have ship examples for all eras but we can address those issues as they arise as we complete the shiplist.

-Minor Races: I was reading through some of the proposals, I would think it would be logical to use ones seen or mentioned on any of the Trek shows first, before creating new ones. Also I'm not sure if it's possible but within the minor races if they have more then one ship class I'd like to see them in game. Perhaps as there tech increases they may build more then one type of ship.

-In another thread someone made mention of arrays. I have these....



-Entities I have these off the top of my head




This is going to be a great game !!!!!

-MP

outstanding, it sure will be!

welcome to the team, MP

I like your idea about implementing all existing minor ships in game so far we have 145 minor races in our database and 90 of them are spacefaring.

It looks like hard job to me...

Minor Race Database: http://www.trekmania.net/temp_files/botf2_home.htm


Alien Ship Database: http://www.neutralzone.de/database/Alie ... html#Delta

Yes and clearly your understanding of Star Trek cannon is broader than my
own. Given your background, experience and library of models I would like
you to take the lead in organizing the major race ship library. Let us post
the changes to models here for review as we go through the list. If your
time is limited I can do the conversions of your online models and
uploading but I need guidance.

When Mstrobel gives you login to SharePoint you can directly add and
remove models as well. We can start then with the Klingon destroyers. What
do you suggest for the Klingon destroyer line I to IV? Are there models we
can keep? Are there models we can fix? Are there models we should
replace?

http://www.botf2.com/Image%20Library/Fo ... ngon&View={2EAB3CAC-2EF3-4EA6-85DB-87B0D9B58BA0}

When we have decided a model is game ready we can mark the folder
(GAME READY) in the files of SharePoint and move on.

As introduction let me point out that:

Jigallypuff is the developer of the game Star Trek, New Beginnings

Mstrobel is the developer of the game Star Trek, Supremacy

Malvoisin is the developer of the game Star Trek, Birth of the Empires

Nemitor_Atimen is the developer of the game Star Trek, Allegiance
(These are the four games that BOTF2 supports)

Zeleni just finished making all the race emblems and is modeling for the
minor races.

Siggi is new to models here and working on minor races.

Trashman, Jigalypuff and I have been working on models for the major
races. I currently have the Federation Cruiser V, Intrepid model in my ship
yard for a refit.

Matress_of_evil (MOE) is an admin, in charge of the ship list and a really
nice guy.

Sorry if I left anyone out of the collective.

*coughs* not really, that honor belongs to Sir Pustekuchen and CBot. I'm just the guy who keeps torturing his GIMP installation and keeps the boards here and the german one at http://www.birth-of-the-empires.de clean. But thx for the praise anyway !

Nice set of Models should be interesting to see more

Regards Wolfe

NIce to meet all of you. On a personal note I want to thank each and every one of ya because I have always loved BotF and wondered why it never received a sequel as some of the other Trek games have. It is because of your dedication that it may now come to fruition.

I'm honored to work with all of you. SO lets get to it. Ken wants to start with the Klingon Destroyers. Until I get that access email I'll just post pics here. As the decisions are made as to what models we'll use, Ken can grab them from me for conversion or if necessary we'll build them as the case may be.

KLINGON DESTROYERS

As it stands now .....................
DESTROYER I -Raptor Class TECH 1
DESTROYER II -Scorpion Class TECH 4 (I need to see a pic of it)
DESTROYER III -Bloodaxe Class TECH 7 (I need to see a pic of it)
DESTROYER IV -Fireblade Class TECH 10 (I need to see a pic of it)

There are 4 slots to fill here. I suggest a ship from each era ENT,TOS,TMP,TNG

NOW......there are 6 Klingon designs shown on screen during the ENT series. I will post a pic with a brief overview of each ship to make their placement in the shiplist easier. AND they're done out of the way and we move on. They are as follows .....

G't'harra Cruiser


The G't'harra Cruiser was operated by the Klingons before the introduction of newer cruiser and battlecruiser hulls in the 22nd Century. The G't'harra was upgraded to disruptor technologies in 2125, replacing the pre-existing particle armament.
* Due to it's early production year I think TECH 0

D5 Cruiser

This older Klingon warship saw its heyday during the 22nd Century. As advanced as any other cruiser of the day, the D5 was well equipped with multiple disruptor cannons. The design continued to serve well into the 23rd Century, albeit in a different role. In Service 2132
* This is the ENT era Battle cruiser TECH 0

D5F Deuterium Tanker

The D5F Deuterium Tanker is the most common ship of the type operated by the Klingons. The design is fairly well armed for a tanker.
* Safe to say this one is.....
TRANSPORT I D5F Class TECH 0

Raptor Heavy Scout

The Raptor Heavy Scout is a highly advanced Klingon scout ship designed for long-range exploration and probing missions. Such ships usually skulk on the fringes of known space in search of easy prey. In Service 2144
* I'm thinking TECH 1

Rotah Early Bird of Prey

One of the first bird of prey hulls fielded by the Klingon Empire, this early design was used to demonstrate several new Klingon technologies, including the early disruptor. Ro'Tah Bird of Preys remained rare in Klingon service, but were plentiful enough so as not to be affected by deployment limitations. In Service 2147
* I'm thinking TECH 1

K'Taal Battlecruiser

The heaviest Klingon warship of its era, the K'Taal Battlecruiser is a rare ship which is the progenitor of the future D6 & D7 cruisers. Ships of this class were heavily armed with the best technologies available to the Empire at that point of time. In Service 2148
* I'm thinking TECH 1

SO there they are. Now the Shiplist, there aren't many class choices here so we have to work carefully. Any changes I am suggesting will be highlighted ..........

KLINGONS

COLONY SHIP I---------------------Menos Class TECH 0

COLONY SHIP II--------------------? Class TECH 6


TRANSPORT I-----------------------DF5 Class TECH 0
TRANSPORT II----------------------Noggra Class TECH 5

TRANSPORT III---------------------Merchantman Class TECH 9


SURVEYOR I------------------------G't'harra Class TECH 0
SURVEYOR II-----------------------CharghwI Class TECH 4
SURVEYOR III----------------------ChelwI Class TECH 9

SCOUT I----------------------------Rotah (Early BoP) Class 1 TECH 0
SCOUT II---------------------------B'rel Class TECH 3
SCOUT III---------------------------K'vort Cha Class TECH 9

DESTROYER I----------------------Raptor Class TECH 1
DESTROYER II---------------------Kisarza Class TECH 3

DESTROYER III--------------------? TMP Class TECH 5 or 7
DESTROYER IV---------------------? TNG Class TECH 8 or Higher

BATTLE CRUISER I-----------------D5 Class TECH 0 *Bortas was a ship name NOT the class name
BATTLE CRUISER II----------------Kolode D6/7 Class TECH 2
BATTLE CRUISER III---------------K't'inga Class TECH 4
BATTLE CRUISER IV----------------K'teremny Class TECH 6


HEAVY CRUISER I------------------K'Taal Class TECH 1
HEAVY CRUISER II-----------------Voodieh Class TECH 12

ATTACK CRUISER I----------------K'Vort Class TECH 5
ATTACK CRUISER II---------------Vor'Cha Class TECH 7
ASSAULT CRUISER II--------------Negh'Var Class TECH 9

Ok that's my thoughts so far. There are many fan-fic and FASA/SFB destroyer designs to choose from. I'd like to see and hear what everyone thinks. Questions, comments, suggestions welcome. Dive on in

why is there a promellian cruiser in there?

1.) Destroyer I –Raptor, we have that model in that slot. You can download the rar file for it form SharePoint even without login. Take a look and see if you find it game ready. (Create a folder for it first as not all our rar files have the folder included. You can see them all better from the downloads at SharePoint / Shared Documents / 3D models / Klingon / K Destroyer I…)

2.) Destroyer II – Scorpion. I think this may be one class we made up. What I dumped into that slot was really your C-9A
Should we go with another of your models or make one up fresh?

3.) Destroyer III –Bloodaxe. This is what I put in that slot.


4.) Destroyer IV –Fireblade My best guess:


What do you suggest?

The Prommellian cruiser is a reuse of the Klingon Transport seen in DS9

Kenneth the c9a is a Battleship so that's kinda out for a destroyer role. However since the Voodieh is a varient of the Negh'var we could replace it with the C-9A if everyone agrees

SO fan ships then for consideration as DD's. OK I'll make a list of what I have

promellian cruiser was first seen in tng, episode titled the trap i think? i had`nt realised it had been reused for ds9.

I think the real question is, why do you even know what a Promellian Cruiser looks like off the top of your head?

The Klingon vessel appeared in DS9: "Sons of Mogh". It is the same model as the Promellian battlecruiser from TNG: "Booby Trap", only painted or illuminated green. The neck and the head section are most likely no additional parts but were present already on the original Promellian ship. Actually the take with the ship in "Sons of Mogh" is not new but stock footage of a less prominent vessel from DS9: "Sanctuary". There is no reason that the ship from "Sanctuary" couldn't be Klingon as well.

Ok here are a few for consideration......

D37 K'Vek Class Battlecruiser

It could be used as the BATTLE CRUISER IV move the K'teremny Class to DESTROYER III TECH 5

D-18 Maveq Class

As DESTROYER IV TECH 9

C-9A Kahless tIq vo'(Heart of Kahless) class battleship

In place of the Voodeih as HEAVY CRUISER II TECH 12

Choq'Batlh Class

As SURVEYOR II TECH 4

Thoughts?

I really like that D-18 Maveq Class ship. Looks sweet and well made. Nice 1.

Yes. I will search out the models and make the changes as time permits.

Mike... Well... um.. you have to understand that you're dealing with genuine tech-trek uber-geeks. I, too, instantly recognized the promellion cruiser, whether it was in these pics, those of the Trek Encyclopedia or in the DS9 episode. It's obvious to any of us who have this particular social deficiency. (No offense intended to anyone.)

Gentleman, I must apologize for not being around for the last two months. I will give no excuses. It has become obvious from my actions that I am simply unreliable. Thus, I will stop offering assistance other than the occasional sniping shots -- please, to call them, "constructive criticisms".

I root for you daily.

I recognised the Promellian Battlecruiser as well! Don't worry guys, you're in good company.

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I'm not that fussed on the D-18 Maveq Class - it looks like a slimmed down version of the Scimitar - or a B'rel on drugs. *Something* just doesn't look right about the textures on it either, but I can't put my finger on what that something is.

The C-9A Kahless tIq vo' (Heart of Kahless) class battleship is wjust hat the Klingons ordered though - it's a battleship through and through. It almost looks real. Very good choice of model there.

I like the D-18. I think it's a nice, original design that doesn't look like two other Klingon ships mashed together (though I'm not saying that the others do).

omg amazing ships

can't wai to finish this game and PLAYYYYYYY better finish that romulan building icon