I honestly think the Peregrine will end up as a mod, as well as Data's scout thing. Don't worry, you'll be able to completely change the face of the game very easily.

There was just hardly any people who were even slightly excited about the prospect of fighters before, personally, I think it's just an odd thing for Trek and then there's the issue of giving other races fighters etc etc.

A couple of bits to add for Zell to look over;

*The Nova should have a torpedo load, it was using full sized photons against Voyager, perhaps it can be balanced by reducing it's shields and keeping the torpedo spread low.

*I really like how the Oberth has no torps. I do think the class has slightly higher shielding than it should have, the Grissom was destroyed by one torpedo in ST3. I think the Oberth should be virtually useless in combat, a pure science ship.

*I think that although the shielding of the Sovereign should be far stronger than the Prometheus, the Prometheus should have a higher hull rating to reflect the ablative armour.

*I'd make the Akira slightly weaker and the Intrepid much weaker. They are too close to the strength of the Galaxy for me. The Akira can be a cheaper yet slightly weaker ship, the Intrepid a fast, long range scout.

*The Defiant needs to be a lot tougher, did I say that already?


Klingons-

As the Klingon shiplist can be based off this one I though I'd do a little groundwork by looking at which ships are equivalent to one another roughly. Obviosly this needs work.

NX- D5
Intrepid- Raptor
Oberth- Will the Klingons have science ships?

Constitution- D7
Daedalus- Early BOP
Miranda- Movies BOP
Cons refit/Excelsior- K'Tinga (many refits)
Ambassador- Stupid looking big BOP from TNG

Steamrunner- Newer version of BOP
Galaxy/Nebula- Vor'Cha
Nova- See Oberth
Sovereign- Negh'Var
This is a first attempt. Klingons, do they have science ships at all? Maybe their science biased ships are still heavily armed warships with a lower science ability that their federation equivalents. In that case the Early BOP could be the early destroyer and the Raptor a science ship?

The Klingons were always going to have less ships thn the Federation. This doesn't need to put them at a disadvantage though, while the Federation can build either Galaxy or Akira classes, the Klingons would have the Vor'Cha, which is heavier than an Akira, yet cheaper than a Galaxy.

Even though the Federation end up with more selection at the end, including a couple of super ships, they have nothing that can be produced as quickly for the same firepower as the BOP. I'd also put the Negh'Var up against any Federation ship.

There's the question of the frankly ridiculous massive BOP from TNG. I put that as an Ambassador equivalent because without it the Klingons don't have one. I would prefer to have the Vor'Cha as an Ambassador equivalent, the Negh'Var as a Galaxy equivalent, and some new design to tackly the Soveraign, Prommie and Defiant. I frankly refuse to believe an engineer in any time period would build a massive ship externally identical to a smaller one. That ship is just a normal sized BOP in my eyes, the FX people were just smoking crack.

@Son of Mogh

Nova:
Ok I will add a Torpedo launcher (Spread 1 should be enough). Maybe weakening the Phaser banks a bit to compensate.
Oberth:
Yeah especially the first Oberth is a bit too strong. Already have made her weaker in an update but wasnt able to put it online today.

Akira and Intrepid:
I had problems to balance them off against the rest of the ships from the begining. Stats for them would be very welcome. Maybe the Intrepid could be (if that idea gets included become a Explorer to compensate for her beeing crap otherwise).

Klingon ships:

I like your list of ships.
Only problems are the refits for the Klingon ships. Especially with the BoPs as there seem to be a whole bunch of different versions.

I would go like this

BOP:

ENT BOP Raptor or BOP as Destroyer
gets obsolete with the early TOS BOP
TOS BOP gets Refit to Movie BOP
Movie BOP gets another Refit to fit with Miranda Refit 1
The Movie BOP gets obsolete with TNG BOP
TNG BOP gets 2 refits. Initial and first one making it formidable but the last one making it a rather strong and advanced ship making it almost as strong as the first Defiant version.
This last refit is speculation and beyond what we have seen on screen.
I would give that last BOP strong hull and high firepower.

K'tinga

basically same progress as Excelsior. Maybe a earlier refit than the Excelsiors last one.

Vor'cha

Basically same progress as Nebula and Galaxy. Probably always a bit weaker than the Galaxy and stronger than the Nebula.

At the end I would love to see if one of the modelers could come up with a follow up for the Vor'cha so the Klingons also get advanced ship designs at the level of the Prometheus.

Negh'Var could

Negh'Var should be on par with a Sovy but have a bit shorter building time to represent the pure battleship layout.

Science Ships
Dont know maybe they should not get any to represent their warrior stance. Or let the larger ships like K'tinga and Vor'cha have limited science ratings.

BTW we have to make up a system for what science ships are useful for.

Ideas for this:

Exploring: with ships gives RP and Ship Expierience (the higher a to be established science value the higher the RP gained)

Examination: studying a phenomenon or system would reap RP (same as bevfore)

Ships with very high science ratings could give you extra RP per turn (ships with science above 50 give 1 RP per extra point; if a late Nova had 100 it would give you 50 RP per turn for every Nova out there)

This is what I have so far. The replacement tags aren't finished.

Federation:
Conestoga
NX
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Dauntless(aka Daedalus)
Oberth I
Constitution I - Replaces NX
Miranda I - Replaces Dauntless
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Oberth II
Constellation
Miranda II
Constitution II
Soyuz
Excelsior I - Replaces Constitution
Shelley
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Cheynne - Replaces Constellation
Springfield
Ambasador
New Orleans - Replaces Soyuz
Chalenger
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Oberth III
Excelsior II
Miranda III
Steamrunner I
Nebula I - Replaces Ambasador
Akira I - Replaces New Orleans
Galaxy I
Saber
Nebula II
Defiant
Akira II
Galaxy II
Steamrunner II
Intrepid - Replaces Excelsior
Nova - Rreplaces Oberth
Sovereign
Prometheus I
Prometheus II

Klingons:
Colony Barge
Raptor (scout)= NX
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D-5 = Dauntless (two hits from D5 dropped NX hull plating to 80%. 10 shots to deactivate NX hull plating. Once the hull plating is totaly down you have to pretty much gut the entire ship to take it out of action.)
K-3 Survey Ship ()
D-6 Bird of Prey = Miranda
D-7 = Constitution
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D-5 II
D-7 II K'T'Inga
Sparrow Hawk (some sort of updated armement Raptor) - replace Raptor
D-17 Bird of Prey I - replace D-6 Bird of Prey
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-Ambasador
Vor'Cha I
BoP II
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Vor'Cha II
D-7 III
-Galaxy
BoP III
Negh'Var

there should be panalties for more ships or thing can be exploited to the sky....

Agreed.
You can only learn so much from a single phenomena!

We'd need to sort out the values of each phenomena, and I don't know if it's hard to program (as always)

Perhaps we can give a nebule, nova, etc.. a science max.. I mean 1000/1000 points left to study from this nova. When you "depleted" it, other races, still will be able to study there 1000 points.

Should be different per race, federation high, klingons low, etc...

maybe klingon technology should advance a little after every battle...
you know to have more power over their oponent, they develope stronger weapons. better engines.. etc...