I was referring to a shiplist as in ship types for the various classes etc.

A bunch of names could still be fun though. I'd possibly go for capital cities for transports, although I like the idea of place names for Colony Ships. I modded my version of BoTF so the Colony Ship was Frontier Class (there couldn't possibly be a more appropriate name IMO), most of the colony ships had a combination of similar names, like Pilgrim, Plymouth etc, the others had capital cities.

My Troop Transports were Normandy Class, they generally have names relating to WW1 & 2, specifically ground combat.

I rejigged the list so that the Miranda had about 3 times as many names available as before, as well as a few other classes, that way there aren't so many A's, B's & C's after all the names!

Oh yeah, and I meticulously renamed all the Romulan ships from stuff like Tweeting Bird, to stuff like Devoras. That took some time but was very satisfying...

Transports; USS
Abdijan
Abu Dhabi
Almaty
Amsterdam
Ankara
Asuncion
Astana
Baghdad
Bangkok
Barcelona
Bejing
Beirut
Brussels
Brighton
Budapest
Buonos Aires
Bukhara
Cambridge
Canberra
Carcas
Cardiff
Chicago
Chernobyl
Copenhagen
Dakar
Dar es Salaam
Dresden
Dublin
Dubrovnik
Edinbrough
Edmont
Fez
Florence
Gaborone
Geneva
Gibraltar
Harare
Hacvana
Helsinki
Houston
Islamabad
Istanbul
Kampala
Karachi
Karthoum
Kingston
Krakow
Kremlin
Kuala Lumpur
Lagos
Lima
Lsibon
London
Luanda
Madrid
Mecca
Mexico City
Minsk
Mogadishu
Monte Carlo
Montreal
Munich
Nairobi
New Delhi
New York
Oslo
Ottawa
Palmyra
Paramarbiro
Paris
Prague
Rangoon
Rio de Janero
Rhiad
Rome
Samarkand
San Francisco
San Jose
San'a
Sarajevo
Seoul
Skopje
Sophia
Stockholm
Stradford
Tapei
Tallin
Tashkent
Tbilisi
Timbuktu
Toronto
Ubar
Ulan-Bator
Vancuver
Varanasi
Vienna
Warsaw
Washingoton
Wellington
Zagreb

I wrote down the Transport names. I'll make names for battles as well (as you suggested SOM)

Cardiff is in there! (That's only about 11 miles from where I live)

Is that the original list with extra, or did you just take all the capital cities, CVN? It must've taken a while to write it! 8O

Mind you, I do know the feeling of long posts...

One thing though CVN, I noticed there was one called Helsniki - Unless i'm mistaken, I think you mean Helsinki.

I hope that cure for Dyslexic Fingers arrives soon...

More UK cities, since you guys are mostly British. So, to suck up basicaly

Those are just cities I found in a few books. Then added some of my own. I left out a few cause I'll put them for other classes


Appologies to those who are Finnish or feel they are.
The medicine is in the mail, btw. Like the cheque.

Possible Transport names:
Normandy
Cote d'Azur
Elba
Pearl Harbour
Stalingrad
Leningrad
Kiev
Moscow
Rohne
Dresden
Nagasaki
Versailles
Midway
Saar
Potsdam
Iwo Jima
Yalta
Kursk
Antwerp
Megiddo
Verdun
Nagasaki
Guadalcanal
Sevastopol

Mostly WWII battles and important places, I'm thinking up of statesmen and Generals now...

Pearl Harbour...not a ship I would particularly like to be stationed on, personally...8O

And is Moscau meant to be Moscow?

Since you've got Hiroshima in there, i'd add Nagasaki (The second Japanese city that was nuked)

General Hague was an idiot General of WW1 - he'd be worthy of the 'USS Hague' (Not sure if there would be any crew left during a battle though)

Here's some
Names for Science ships:
Da Vinci
Galileo
Fermi
Marconi
Lucretius
Ptolemy
Aristotle
Plato
Rontgen
Socrates
Archimedes
Euclid
Eratosthenes
Pythagorus
Ibn Rushd
Al-Mawardi
Copernicus
Gutenberg
Planck
Hertz
Kepler
Geiger
Pavlov
Korolev
Mendeléev
Confucius
Tsu Ch'ung Chi
Einstein
Edison
Franklin
Tesla
Buckminster Fuller
Yasuki
Ito
Hantaro
Pasteur
Curie
Pascal
Brahmagupta
Khayyam
al-Tusi
Newton
Darwin
Bacon
Babbage
Turing
Hawking
De Ortega
Lavanha
Angstrom
Bohr
al-Razi
Dionysodorus
Stensen
Oersted
Ali Abbas
Al-Kindi
Tong-sik
Taro Aso Han
Roh Moo Sun
Huygens
Nunez
Brugmmans
Van Shooten
Sagan
Apollo
Mercury
Gemini
Saturn
Sputnik
Clarke
Scott
Heisenberg
Hodgkin
Kiri-kin-tha
Schlezholt
Zimmerman
Goddard
Raman
T'Pan
Jo'Bril
Roykirk
Christopher
Cochrane
Dirac
Dyson
Daystrom

I tried to include a range from many cultures, some of them are early spacecraft designations and Star Trek scientists

Those ship names are really cool guys. If you wanna suck up to the Brits CVN I'd definitely include the USS Nottingham... It has Robin Hood, and I live there.

Some names for Defiant Class ships;

Defiant
Valiant
Sao Paulo
Avenger
Victory
Gallant
Retribution
Spitfire
Courageous
Daring
Fearless
Stalwart

Obviously, a few of these have been used on other classes..

The guy who invented the vacuum with no bag and absolutely no loss of suction?

I really like some of the obscure Trek ones... Jo'Bril in particular.

I remembered some great ones you missed, if you don't mind OmniQ.

Watt
Bell
Nobel
Ohm
von Neuman
Lavoisier
Fleming
Ruzichka
Faraday


Generals and satesmen

Montgomery
DeGaule
Douglas
Zhukov
Patton
Eisenhower
Churchill
Roosvelt
Chamberlain
Hindenburg
Bradley
Princip
Franz Joseph
Wilson
Stalin
Ceasar
Von Clausewitz
Hannibal
Marshall
Nimitz
Alexander
Vasilyevsky
Clark
Joffre
Bonaparte
Constantine
Richard I.


As you see concentrated on WWII. I didn't put in WWII german generals and statesmen because of obvious reasons.

, SOM every single village is TOO much (:wink:)

Some more Statesmen and Generals

Walensa
Radetzky
Moltke
Octavian
Brussilov
Attatürk
Bismark
Gustaf Adolf
Wilhelm I
Friedrich II
Maria Theresia
Isabella
Luis XIV
Tokugawa
Yamamoto

New thread oppened for the names "Ship names", so this can remain the "ships for the game"
So post there from now on, I've organised everything form this thread to there.

Just to weave this back to topic, we were on about the ship types, of which we had:
Corvette
Escort
Gunboat
Destroyer
Light Cruiser
Frigate
Cruiser
Heavy Cruiser
Battle Cruiser
Battleship
Fire Support

Is there more, or should we begin discussing which are which?

Well, all we ACTUALY know is that Defiant is and escort
Oberth and Nova are probably corvettes then.

it will be a cold cold day in hell before any ship will be named stalin, why not name one hitler while your at it also lose de`gaule and why leave out german generals? rommel was one of the greatest in history, even the guys he beat said that. and were the hell is piltown? one of the most important historical places on earth, also how about naming some warships after gods? like greek and roman ones, they had plenty, i always liked the earth alliance shipnames in b5.

If the ship classes are going to be in order, then a Fire Support Cruiser is going to be somewhere between a Frigate and Heavy Cruiser (So either slightly weaker, or slightly stronger than an ordinary Cruiser)

Remember, they have weaker defenses, and longer-range weaponry than standard starships. They also have little or no heavy weapons. Because of these reasons, they may also have slightly better sensors, to help maintain a stronger target lock.

Several of the names I have personally never heard of, but I do like the mixture of alien names as well. Starfleet would certainly want a multi-cultural Naval force!

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If we are going to discuss what the classes actually are, then to start off, I think we should start with the basics: -

- The ships obviously gain in power as you move up the scale.

- They will tend to increase in size/mass.

- The larger the class, the slower/less maneouverable the ship will be, but the better the coverage of the weaponry.

- With some possible exceptions, the heavier starships will have better defenses. (For example, would a Hospital ship be classed as a Corvette, but have heavier-than-normal shielding, to compensate for the few weapons, and help defend the injured on board?)

- Corvettes and other small classes will rely on their maneoverability to avoid damage. They will also use it to (Hopefully) score extra damage aginst enemy ships. (Easier to hit weak shield arcs etc)

- Battleships and other heavy classes will rely on their stronger defenses to to avoid damage, as they will not be so capable of dodging attacks. However, they will be able to delive a much greater punch, making them more of a threat.

- Corvettes will likely make up the bulk of your fleet, as they are the easiest and cheapest ships to produce.

- Battleships will be the 'rarest' ships you will field. The loss of one will be a major blow, and may make life a great deal easier for your enemies.

Well that's the basics that I can think of...for now...

Here's an attempt at characterizing the ships (may have missed a few)
Corvette
-Oberth
-Nova
Olympic
Escort
-Defiant
-Daedalus
Gunboat
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Destroyer
-Miranda
Light Cruiser
-NX
-Steamrunner
-Intrepid
Frigate
-Saber
Cruiser
-Constellation
-Nebula
Heavy Cruiser
-Excelsior
-Akira
-Constitution
Battle Cruiser
-Galaxy
Battleship
-Ambassador
-Soveriegn
-Prometheus
Fire Support
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At first glance everything seems to work out for me.
Except, Olympic, isn't realy any of these. It's a category for it's ow, just like a transporter or a colony ship

Seeing as ive missed pretty much all this thread. And at a scan i didnt see it, can i ask the Galaxy-X (Gets ready for abbuse ) gets put in the game. I know alot of you dont like it but i think its a great ship and as the Galaxy is alot of ppls fav ship an upgrade to it, much like the constution was upgraded in TMP, wouldnt go a miss.

I personally liked the Galaxy-X as a ship, but it certainly wasn't a ship of the Federation that we know and love <The Romulan shudders>

If the ship isn't goimng to be in, then it could easily be in as a Terran Empire mod, or an alternate timeline mod.

I'm sure there will be people out there that can't wait to get to grips wih making such things...

Anyway, if the Galaxy-X is going to be in as a normal part of the game, i'd personally forget about the 'Phaser Cannon' since it is too non-Federation (But i'd keep the 'undercarriage' of the weapon, because it helps to show that the Galaxy-X is a different/upgraded ship)

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For the Olympic class, seeing as it was rarely seen, perhaps it should either be an extremely modern ship, (As in only get it at the end of the tech tree, as with Sovereign, or it should be part of a future mod.

I personally always thought the Olympic class was designed specifically as a Hospital ship class though. I certainly don't see it as a Battleship (As evidenced by the pasting the USS Pasteur took)

If people don't like the idea of using it as a Hospital ship, then I suggest using it as either a colony ship, or a troop transport. I've done some research, and the canon sources say it is a Hospital class, but (And I know certain Klingons are going to gouge out my eyes for this) some non-canon sources have suggested that it could be used for transport purposes, because it apparently has an extremely modular design.

Modular designs are obviously extremely useful if you want a class that can easily be taken apart, (For colonisation purposes) or can easily be reconfigured, (For changing mission types, like the Nebula classes' pods) or for ships where massive storage space is essential (Like trade vessels or resupply envoys for damaged ships that can't make it back to a starbase)

Basically, from a non-canon point of view, the Olympic could be a very useful class, if we are stuck for designs to fill roles.

Yep! Look at the design,



it can be used from anything from diplomacy through cargo transport and even some light combat duty to complement research capabilities

The appeture at the bottom of the sphere can be a weapon emplacement, and we saw what they can do with phaser technology in that time(-line); refering to the cannon on the Galaxy-X

Personally, I think the whole Hospital ship idea shouldnt be included in this game. It would only be useful for outbreaks of the 'plauge' and, I suppose, large battles. It just seems like a rather trivial thing to have a whole ship class for. But whatever...

The Olympic reminds me of an extremely modern Daedalus class ship (assuming that model in Sisko's office is a Daedalus).

Although the Olympic class is a hospital ship, couldnt it, for game pirposes, be a repair ship. Crews need repairing after they get their arm and whatNot shot off so it would be a good end timeline Repair ship.

The Galaxy-X was the Federations answer to a real Dreadnought. You can tell the Galaxy was refited to be a Battle vessle, prehaps in answer to the Romulans sudden shocking new desgins but if it is included in the game it should be right at the end. Remember in 'All Good Things' when Picard went to see LaForge, it was twenty years sience they served togather. So thats at least another 30 years (saying Picards got anoter decade through Captan/Admiralcy) It kinda fits into Trek, i know the federation arent really a waring race, but the two future eps that come to mind, 'All Good Things' and Voyagers 'Endgame' bith had Weapons of MASSSSSS destruction, (torps that kill cube in one hit) and weve seen LaFore get his sight back, like in 'All Good Things' and althought i cant name any i swear ive seen ships with the tri-neccell design.

^ Wow, didnt realise i could rant on that much

A repair ship would be a good compromise - but it would have to have a low repair rate, say any ship in the same sector repairs with a bonus of 5-25% (So if a ship repairs 5 hit points per turn, then with an Olympic class repair ship, it would at most repair 6 hit points instead)

This may seem rather pathetic, but if you're in the middle of war, and your ship yards are building/repairing ships as fast as they possibly can, then anything that can help you repair ships at a faster pace will be a blessing. You have to remember that a ship is never going to have the facilities of a Starbase, so will never be able to repair ships with the same speed - this is why the bonus repair rate must be low.

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I've thought of something else though - will damaged ships travel at a slower speed? I'm not sure if this will be programmable, but imagine you know there is an enemy fleet heading for Sol, and you only have a couple of Oberths defending it.

You know you have a Sovereign nearby, but it is heavily damaged, and can't make it to Sol before the fleet arrives unless it is repaired. If you were able to send a repair ship that could help it repair faster (And therefore get back faster) you would be able to defend Sol effectively.

This would certainly make a repair ship of use in times of dire need...

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Another thing, what about supply ships? Are they still going to be in or not? If they are, then aren't they technically going to have repair capabilities? What is the point in having cargo vessels going round resupplying your ships with fuel and not be able to repair them as well?

Heh...I can rant as well STHedgehog...

Isn't this a bit contradictory?
Giving the Olympic a miniscule repair rate and then excpect it to repair a ship so it can be more space worthy.
This would work if we had speeds of say, 20/turn.
Then, you could make it that even a small amount of repairs done on a ship (+5% hull integrity) makes a significant impact on speed. (given that spped is lowered of hightend depending on hull intg.)
On our speed (1-4/turn) the improvement of hull integrity done by the repair ship would have almost no impact on speed.

That is, if I understood what you said...


And, yes. Will cargo/suply ships be in?

Yes, you did understand me CVN...I suppose such things would be better aimed at a future mod, where all ships have Transwarp drive, but the regenerative armour has been forgotten...

The numbers that I udes were only as a guidance, since we don't know what the final repair rate of bases and shipyards wil be.

You also have to remember that the numbers will be based as percentages - so the larger the vessel, the greater the number of hit points that will be repaired per turn, due to the higher number of repair crew, and the better facilities available (Larger/more replicators)

...Hmmm...this could cause problems though...a smaller ship should be easier to repair than a large one...

Well, you can see it that way, or,

A smaller ship has less complicated systems and power gizmos, so an Olympic class vessel can quickly replicate all necessary components, while a bigger ship has huge over-powered warp engines, a lot of unneccesary hull and auxilary generators and it would take MORE time to fix it.

Well, that's one way of looking at it, anyway

Im not a programmer but it odes sound a bit off to program something like ships moving slower if their damaged. I think it should be presummed that Life support / Shields / and Engine are Bodged up so the ppl on a ship can live and get back Safely.

The olympic has around 18 decks (thats counting the windows on the pic) so its a fare sized vessle. Most of that would be Medbays and cargo bays to transport needed supplys, but in War times, surly a ship like that woiuld fill its cargo bay with materials as well as medical supplys. We know that as a general rule CArgo bays have mass transporters, ive seen the crew of the Ent-D transport things shuttle size with them, so as a repair ship it works.

I agree that the repair rate should be slow, its not as good as a starbase and should be nowheres as quiick, so id agreee with a small pecentage added to repair, or something like everyship in this sector repaires 1HP while an olympic vessle is there. SO if you had 10 olympics it could repair ships faster.

As for smaller ships are eaiser to repair than bigger ships thats already sorted, a smaller ship has only a fraction of the HP a Large vessle has. Say an oberth has 100 HP, and a soverign has 2500 HP. It would take an olympic 99turns to fiz an ovberth on 1HP back to max, but would take 2499 turns to do the same to a soverign, so the size/tech diffrece is already covered.

Maybe rather a repair speed based on a perentage of the ships total HP?
Like, restore 3% of maximum HP every turn

Small ships should be easier to repair, but using a percentage wouldn't show this ease.

Using a 3% repair rate, and STHedgehog's numbers, it would take 25 turns to repair both of the ships. The only way we could show the sifference in repair rates, is to use an actual number for repair, or use a sliding scale od percentages. (So an Oberth may be repaired at 10%, while a Sovereign may be repaired at 1%)

This would also tie in with the fact that the Sovereign has far superior technology than the lowly Oberth - it's easier to find parts for something that is old, than for something that is brand new and difficult to make!

Haven't got a clue on the programming side of things though.

I was getting a little confused by the ship classification system...
Is it going to be canon, or are we infusing it with 'real' ship types?

In the canon, there is no 'corvette' classification as far as I know (please correct me if I'm wrong), and there is never anything really classified as 'fire support'.

There are some really good ideas here, but perhaps some consolidation is in order.

There exists in the canon a one-size-fits-all type called the 'explorer'. Usually big multirole ships get called this, like the Galaxy and Ambassador classes. Otherwise, the term is also applied to long duration science vessels like the Intrepid class.
-Maybe this classification could include the Ambassador, Galaxy, and Sovereign designs.

Could we incorporate this class? and maybe get rid of superfluous classes like 'corvette' (read 'Frigate') and 'gunboat' and 'fire support' (read
)

I promise I'm not just trying to destroy things - I'll try to fix the ideas that I break