I think this is a really good list for the beta, no point getting carried away.
When you say "upgrades from" do you mean it just replaces it in the build queue? There won't be ships transforming into other ships will there.
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| Author: | jigalypuff [ 20 Oct 2004, 01:06 ] |
| Post subject: | ships for the game |
federation enterprise era NX-O1, NX-02, tos era miranda mk1, daudless, constitution, excelsior, ambassador(upgrades from connie) tng era miranda mk2, intrpeid (upgrades from miranda) galaxy, nebula, oberth(science ship) akira (heavy cruiser) soverign (dreadnought) defiant(heavy destroyer) nove (upgrades from oberth) (please post any you feel should be in i know you all love the feds ships) cardassians enterprise era i have yet to make them tos era go look i made them already tng galor, hutet, bakrus, keldon, kullinor hidiki klingons enterprise era d6, d7, raptor (i finaly found a pic so i can make one) tos era d7 d9 (did the klingons have a bop in tos?) tng era b`rel bop, (two types) k`t`inga, k`vort, vorcha, negh`var romulans ent era we have only seen 1 ship type i need a pic (may need to make some variations on it so we have more than 1 type) tos era the bop, as above, just not enough ships from then tng era warbird valdore schimitar (any light cruisers or destroyers in the rom fleet?) i think this will do for the beta, but please add the ships you want as well. |
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| Author: | SonOfMogh [ 20 Oct 2004, 01:13 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
I think this is a really good list for the beta, no point getting carried away. When you say "upgrades from" do you mean it just replaces it in the build queue? There won't be ships transforming into other ships will there.
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| Author: | jigalypuff [ 20 Oct 2004, 01:17 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
yes no autoupgrades, it will replace it in the build q |
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| Author: | SonOfMogh [ 20 Oct 2004, 01:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
I'd like to see the Constellation, but as a cruiser rather than a fast attack. I also think Oberth belongs in tos, with nova replacing it in tng. I'll stop now though. I guess you'll be able to mod in whatever you like anyways. 
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| Author: | SonOfMogh [ 20 Oct 2004, 01:21 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
jigalypuff wrote: yes no autoupgrades, it will replace it in the build q Fantastic news!!!!
No build queue full of obsolete ships. I assume then if you mod the game you'll be able to have any ship replace any other in the build queue? That'll be sweet. |
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| Author: | marky [ 20 Oct 2004, 01:49 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
dont forget the refitted excelsiors and the mirandas with the "roll bars" and the mediteranean class and other classes from tng i have an idea ENT ERA - 2100-2220 TOS ERA - 2220-2325 TNG ERA- 2325-2379 wat about that? also there are oldewr ships whci h have been refitted, so they should be included in the tng era too right? will the titan class be included? |
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| Author: | marky [ 20 Oct 2004, 01:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
and dont forget the cardie Hideki class |
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| Author: | jigalypuff [ 20 Oct 2004, 02:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
what did you think the mk1 miranda was? |
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| Author: | marky [ 20 Oct 2004, 02:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
ill go threu my encyclopedia and get a list |
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| Author: | raiden_rse [ 20 Oct 2004, 02:11 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
dont forget it wont really be time date ya get ships at, more when you get to a certain level reasearch |
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| Author: | omniq [ 20 Oct 2004, 02:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
how 'bout the other kind of science vessel, shown as the U.S.S. Raven in Voy (perhaps as a diff. era sci. ship) |
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| Author: | jigalypuff [ 20 Oct 2004, 02:23 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
two types of science ship could work, one upgradeing from the other. like oberth to the one you mention (class name escapes me) |
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| Author: | omniq [ 20 Oct 2004, 02:38 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
the class name isn't mentioned anywhere, only the ship name |
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| Author: | SonOfMogh [ 20 Oct 2004, 08:07 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
I'd prefer the Nova to the Raven, unless anyone objects. The ships all belong to their original era, if they are upgraded to stay partially useful they still belong to the era they were built in. |
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| Author: | marky [ 20 Oct 2004, 14:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
wow i agree that we should use the nova class instead of the raven the raven was a private and much less capable ship |
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| Author: | jigalypuff [ 20 Oct 2004, 14:33 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
i think he was refering to ransoms ship. which i believe was a nova class. |
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| Author: | marky [ 20 Oct 2004, 14:36 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
he was i think USS EQUINOX Nova class science starship -LIST- heres the list of tng era ships ive gotten so far List of federal ships Ambassador- heavy cruiser Defiant - eascort Akira- heavy cruise Steamrunner -cruiser Norway Reneisance Saber - destroyer Soverign Prometheus Intrepid Miranda Constellation Andeomeda Antares Apollo Bradbury Centaur Challenger Cheyenne Chimera Daedalus Curry Danube Deneva – freighter Escelsior and excelsior refits – heavy cruiser Consititution – heavy cruiser Freedom Hokule’a – heavy cruisr Instanbul – transport Korolev Mediteranean – freighter Merced Nebula – cruiser/exp[eplorer New Orleans – frigate Niagra Nova – science ship Oberth – cience ship Olympic – hospital ship Rigel Reneisance Scout – datas scout – 24 meters long Soyuz Sydney – transport Yeager Yorkshire – transport |
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| Author: | jigalypuff [ 20 Oct 2004, 14:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
are you on drugs? we want a list of ships for the game, not every ship on starfleet  this would be way to much.
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| Author: | marky [ 20 Oct 2004, 14:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
for the last time im NOT on drugs i simply presented a list of fed ships that i have so far |
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| Author: | jigalypuff [ 20 Oct 2004, 14:54 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
and what would you propose we do with it, it`s to many ships, we can`t have this many, what would they all do? |
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| Author: | marky [ 20 Oct 2004, 15:03 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
its an INITIAL list Puff im going to start weeding them but i posted them also to see wat ppl thought |
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| Author: | SonOfMogh [ 20 Oct 2004, 15:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
That's too many for any game. Only thing I ask, is please make sure there are a few spare slots available. Was a pain squeezing your favourites into botf. Your list was good, I'd only add, hideki, nova, constellation, and any other made up alien ships. The steamrunner's a cool ship, but perhaps not necessary. |
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| Author: | iwulff [ 20 Oct 2004, 15:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
Well i just would like to have the best known vessels in the game, i could always mod they others in.
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| Author: | SonOfMogh [ 20 Oct 2004, 15:16 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
Exactly, I really think that list has it covered. I'd mod loads in over time, but the official release has to have a sense of balance etc.
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| Author: | jigalypuff [ 20 Oct 2004, 15:35 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
i already added the nova and hidiki, i forgot about the constellation though. |
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| Author: | marky [ 20 Oct 2004, 15:47 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
these ships shopuld be in Ambassador- heavy cruiser Defiant Akira- heavy cruise Steamrunner Norway Saber Soverign Prometheus Intrepid Miranda Constellation Centaur Curry – transport/carrier/freighter/assault ship Danube – already in Deneva – freighter Escelsior and excelsior refits – heavy cruiser – already in Consititution – heavy cruiser – in the game Mediteranean – freighter Nebula – cruiser/exp[eplorer – in the game New Orleans – frigate Nova Oberth – cience ship Olympic – hospital ship – could be used for evacuations Rigel – ships like akagi and tolstoy Scout – datas scout – 24 meters long – deployed from starbases? Sydney – transport especially the well known ones akira steamrunner saber centaur excelsior - all refits i certainly wouldnt mind being able to build all of those ships that were widely used during the war and wat about the older ships used during the klingon war? rutledge tecumseh armstrong drake they were of older classes certain classes of ships shouldnt be replaced in favor of others and dont forget the nebulas, they were widley used too |
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| Author: | SonOfMogh [ 20 Oct 2004, 16:12 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
I think that's perhaps still too many, and there's no need for unknown ships like the rigel or curry. Just to clear this all up then, ships or the same type will replace one another in the build queue when researched. Looking at it category by category. This is how I personally would do it. SCIENCE SHIPS Daedalus (nx/tos era) Oberth (tos era) replaces daedalus Nova (tng era, late on) replaces oberth MULTIPURPOSE STARSHIPS Nx-01 Nx-02 Constitution (tos era) replaces nx classes, upgrades to movies refit Excelsior (late tos era) Ambassador (late tos/early tng) replaces cons Galaxy/Nebula (tng) replaces ambassador Sovereign (late tng) replaces excelsior BATTLESHIPS/OTHERS Intrepid (nx era) not the voyager one Miranda (tos era- around cons refit time) replaces intrepid Constellation (tos- around excelsior time) Akira (tng- before galaxy) replaces constellation Intrepid (u don't know..) replaces miranda Defiant Prometheus I'm bound to have missed something.... I think the biggest objection I'll get is that everything gets replaced. However you don't want the miranda clogging up the build queue when you could build an intrepid etc etc etc. The first intrepid is the ship name not the class name, was in an ent ep. The Excelsior doesn't get replaced for ages- mainly because it's cool. Regarding upgrades. I think each ship except for tng era ones should have 2 upgrades, (1 for tng ships). The first upgrade becomes available exactly between when the ship is researched and when it's replaced. The second is available when it's actually replaced, that way you won't build any of this configuration as they will be completely outdated, yet you are able to at least bring the older ships somewhere near the newer ones. If this gets a good reaction I'll do the klings... |
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| Author: | jigalypuff [ 20 Oct 2004, 16:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
the daudless is a tos era ship, which intrepid class was in enterprise? if there is one then we have 3 ships for feds ent era which is enough i reckon. |
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| Author: | SonOfMogh [ 20 Oct 2004, 16:35 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
Well the daedalus predates the constitution, figured it could be between ent and tos somewhere. If the nx is capable of limited scientific study, we won't need a science ship as such for ent era. The intrepid was in an ep called the expanse, never watched it- just seen screencaps on various fan sites. It's apparently a bit older than the nx (warp3 or something) but looks really mean. You could start with a handful of these, and have the nx-01 as the brand new ship at the beginning. |
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| Author: | marky [ 20 Oct 2004, 16:37 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ships for the game |
SonOfMogh wrote: I think that's perhaps still too many, and there's no need for unknown ships like the rigel or curry. Just to clear this all up then, ships or the same type will replace one another in the build queue when researched. Looking at it category by category. This is how I personally would do it. SCIENCE SHIPS Daedalus (nx era) Oberth (tos era) replaces daedalus Nova (tng era, late on) replaces oberth MULTIPURPOSE STARSHIPS Nx-01 Nx-02 Constitution (tos era) replaces nx classes, upgrades to movies refit Excelsior (late tos era) Ambassador (late tos/early tng) replaces cons Galaxy/Nebula (tng) replaces ambassador Sovereign (late tng) replaces excelsior BATTLESHIPS/OTHERS Intrepid (nx era) not the voyager one Miranda (tos era- around cons refit time) replaces intrepid Constellation (tos- around excelsior time) Akira (tng- before galaxy) replaces constellation Intrepid (u don't know..) replaces miranda Defiant Prometheus I'm bound to have missed something.... I think the biggest objection I'll get is that everything gets replaced. However you don't want the miranda clogging up the build queue when you could build an intrepid etc etc etc. The first intrepid is the ship name not the class name, was in an ent ep. The Excelsior doesn't get replaced for ages- mainly because it's cool. Regarding upgrades. I think each ship except for tng era ones should have 2 upgrades, (1 for tng ships). The first upgrade becomes available exactly between when the ship is researched and when it's replaced. The second is available when it's actually replaced, that way you won't build any of this configuration as they will be completely outdated, yet you are able to at least bring the older ships somewhere near the newer ones. If this gets a good reaction I'll do the klings... well theyd be distributed over the level 1 2 and 3 shipyards and the curry is a known ship and the rigel class included the USS AKAGI, which was mentioned in a repair report made by colonel kira i dont think the soverieng should replace the excelsior i thinkm the escelosior should supplement the soveriign rmember there were and are many more excelsiors than there are soveriengs and i dont thni the miranda or the constellation should be replaced as they were both used during the dominion war and HEAVILY in the case of the miranda class i think that only some of the ships should get replaced and other should be refitted as they were in trek and another thing THE RELIANCE ON MODS IS TOO HEAVY ships that were used THROUGHOUT THE DOMINION WAR - Akira defiant glaxy excelsior norway steamrunner miranda saber constellation intrepid and prometheus to a smaller degree yes, sum of the older ships maybe should be replaced but the rest should be refitted as they were in trek and the infamous curry can still be used as a transport/freighter etc |
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