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I just finished deleting more than 100 spam posts. In the last few days we had increasing bot attacks, is there a way of upgrading security systems?

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25 Nov 2012, 14:21
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I will ask Matress.
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25 Nov 2012, 15:58
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It looks like Matress has an out of date email.

Checking in Admin under system I see our phpBB is out of date. Getting the auto update looks easy enough but I am not sure about where our install folder is located on the server and how to get there. Do you understand what to do Vjeko?
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What do you mean ken? I just got your email and I've not changed my addy.

I don't know anything about security. Skeet would be the one to ask. I see him almost daily on Star Trek online. I'll have a word with him. Other than that, i'd suggest updating the word filters. What common words are showing up? That wouldn't block the posts, but it would void them from being of any purpose. Eg you could make "drugs" show up as "this is spam".

...Incidentally, i've already got a few filters like this running. Try typing v.i.a.g.r.a (Without the dots) and see what happens... :wink:

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25 Nov 2012, 17:36
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Thanks, I got a message back saying the email could not be delivered. It should be OK now.
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damn, all this spam sucks :(

simplest would be to block all newcomers or cage in a subforum you easily can clean as it's not used for any other but asking for permission.
With a small community like this that should work well against spam bots - at least well enough till you get the upgrade work.


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at German Board SirP gave some people access to Admin area (not only moderation area) and access to "users and groups". Last topic is "automatical delete of inactive users" (don't have the exact English words)

Thereby it's able to delete a spam user e.g. "kukisis" and all (!) of his posts with one click (by selecting this point)

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26 Nov 2012, 06:56
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Thereby it's able to delete a spam user e.g. "kukisis" and all (!) of his posts with one click (by selecting this point)
So, can anyone do this? Skeeter is the moderator in the general chat subforum, but anyone else with admin rights should be able to do it.

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26 Nov 2012, 10:53
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I will take another look
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Well I looked at it again, Newly registred users are now in moderation queue for first two posts according to 2nd answer at http://serverfault.com/questions/193778 ... istrations
Further it seems Q&A capture is already activated but gets passed. Maybe questions are too easy as some can be easily looked up in the web.
According to https://www.phpbb.com/kb/article/how-to ... a-captcha/ questions asking things like what's been the third word reverse work better against bots.
I'm not sure anymore whether I had to pass that capture on registration but maybe someone likes to try and specify some new questions.

Deleting inactive 0 post users like reg suggested if I got that right, might be nice too, but I know at least one that never posted and is no bot, and that isn't what currently troubles so much. :)

If that still doesn't help, still requiring new users to ask for group permission via pm as I already porposed is an option. Can be done by restricting default users from posting anything but sending a pm plus opening a new group for the elected users. But all would have to be added manually if not already in moderation groups or such.


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there are still some spam bots around using accounts registered prior to above changes
now I see what all these zero post accounts are for, wait and lurk, maybe just do what reg proposed and delete all the inactive accounts. :rolleyes:


27 Nov 2012, 23:09
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It would be OK to try your suggestions. For my part I tried to register a new account. It does say you will get an email to complete the registration but the email never comes.

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yeah, moderation queue doesn't seem to work so well, posts get shown anyway, just marked to wait on acceptance.
Will look at the radical solution later, have to go to university now.

Dunno why you didn't get a mail. Nothing changed on this and I know I got one when I registred. Maybe just wait some longer or try again.
Changing the Q&A catcha questions still would be something to try. But not sure what questions to use. :lol:


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As Q&A probably won't hold for long anyway, for all the normal registred users, all forum permissions are now down to read only.
To gain write permission, request to join the group "The Chosen Ones" in your profile or ask an admin via pm. That group is a copy of previous default group permissions.

This is a radical solution to the spam problem and surely not best user friendly, but it should end all the spam trouble.
There are some bots in "Newly registered users" group still, though that group is deactivated again. Best delete all of them I think, else they still spam the moderation queue.

I hope all find how to ask for permission that need it, all users within other groups already should be fine.
Maybe one knows how to clarify it better so newbs don't get lost not figuring out how to post or join a group.


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I was able to register a new user login but finding out how to post will be a problem. For starters we might find that old jigalypuff email it sends and change the text to include an explanation of how to request posting. Also there is a message about now being registered once you click the link in the email. We might find that message and add a notice there as well. I will take a look when I get home from work.

Thanks VinculumOne

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28 Nov 2012, 20:50
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I changed the admin email to my gmail but still could not find where the text of the welcome activation email is stored. Still no idea how to get to the server to upload the updates.
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group name changed to "Forum Poster" by request of Iceman
agree that "The Chosen Ones" probably was not the best choise, however I found it funny when I set it
do you know the chosen one / animator vs. animation video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTPpbHueNJ4 :twistedlaugh:
if you want to change again just set a new name in group settings


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I watched all of the "animator vs. animation" video... just amazing!!! Image

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Is this actually having any positive effect, or is it just preventing people from posting? Not that there's oddles of people posting usually, but if they have to go through hoops to do it, it might be counter-productive.
Is it preventing spam? It seems there were some IPs banned recently.


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Well, preventing new arrivals from posting is the first effect newly registered members experience upon first entering the forum. Luckily, they receive an e-mail of confirmation after registering, so they can ask via reply e-mail to be permitted to post. But since you say that some have been banned, it seems to be an efficient system, if not overly efficient.


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I will ask V1 about turning off the ban to see if we get a spampocalypse or not.

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no need for pm, I already found this post earlier today but had to leave :)
The spam that still was posted is by bots in the "Newly Registered Users" group that I set up before.
That group already was deactivated again but accounts in that group were kept.
I already told just delete them, but it were 71 accounts and a bit much work to do all by single.
Now I simply removed them all from that group, so this stops. It was easier this way as there's a "mark all" function in group management.

But it shows, these bots are still active and will continue to spam a 100 posts eventually each day, so better don't allow the common registered user to post again with not having added new spam prevention mechanisms to the forum.
This has to be done by someone with ftp access. And I don't know either what's really effective and will hold for a while.
As I read best make the forum code uncommon or add external captchas that are a bit more complex and not used so often.

The only eventually effective defense you have right now is the Question and Answer captcha on registration.
Problem with it, when only one working answer is found, the door is open. And the questions you have right now are partially in a good form to google. This is no real good prevention, but you might just try define some new questions and remove all old ones. Still all bots already registered would have to be deleted. This could be done by deleting all inactive accounts like reg proposed.

So long, exclusively allowing approved members to post is the only really effective way against bots I know of.
You can simply change access in permissions->forum permissions->all forums->registred users anyway if you want Kenneth.
I say as long you have no new prevention just keep it and try make it more obvious to new users if possible - eventually by altering the forum skin or a big news on front page.

Btw, banning an IP doesn't help here at all. These bots change IP all the time and if it's dynamic, sometime you might even block real users by chance.


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Maybe we should try to include as many members we know for sure are not bots in the group as possible, so that they don't have to ask for permission. I know I wouldn't have gone to the trouble if I didn't really _need_ to post (actually I could post in some threads, and not in others).


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yeah, was surprised your special group rights didn't include the normal access rights


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I will ask Jig if there is a way to change the email that goes out to new members. That would be a way to let them know to reply email me about posting here.

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