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Author:  HerrKanzler [ 16 Sep 2007, 12:33 ]
Post subject:  A problem with Supremacy
Hi,

I have a problem with The Supremacy. When I'm going to load the game, after choosing options like size of a galaxy and the like, I have an error:
Unhandled exception has occured. Detailed error informatio is available in the Error.txt filr.

In Error.txt is:

Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation.

at System.RuntimeMethodHandle._InvokeMethodFast(Object target, Object[] arguments, SignatureStruct& sig, MethodAttributes methodAttributes, RuntimeTypeHandle typeOwner)
at System.RuntimeMethodHandle.InvokeMethodFast(Object target, Object[] arguments, Signature sig, MethodAttributes methodAttributes, RuntimeTypeHandle typeOwner)
at System.Reflection.RuntimeMethodInfo.Invoke(Object obj, BindingFlags invokeAttr, Binder binder, Object[] parameters, CultureInfo culture, Boolean skipVisibilityChecks)
at System.Delegate.DynamicInvokeImpl(Object[] args)
at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.InternalRealCall(Delegate callback, Object args, Boolean isSingleParameter)
at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.TryCatchWhen(Object source, Delegate callback, Object args, Boolean isSingleParameter, Delegate catchHandler)

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The communication object, System.ServiceModel.Channels.ServiceChannel, cannot be used for communication because it is in the Faulted state.


Server stack trace:
at System.ServiceModel.Channels.CommunicationObject.ThrowIfDisposedOrNotOpen()
at System.ServiceModel.Channels.ServiceChannel.Call(String action, Boolean oneway, ProxyOperationRuntime operation, Object[] ins, Object[] outs, TimeSpan timeout)
at System.ServiceModel.Channels.ServiceChannel.Call(String action, Boolean oneway, ProxyOperationRuntime operation, Object[] ins, Object[] outs)
at System.ServiceModel.Channels.ServiceChannelProxy.InvokeService(IMethodCallMessage methodCall, ProxyOperationRuntime operation)
at System.ServiceModel.Channels.ServiceChannelProxy.Invoke(IMessage message)

Exception rethrown at [0]:
at System.Runtime.Remoting.Proxies.RealProxy.HandleReturnMessage(IMessage reqMsg, IMessage retMsg)
at System.Runtime.Remoting.Proxies.RealProxy.PrivateInvoke(MessageData& msgData, Int32 type)
at Supremacy.WCF.ISupremacyService.HostSinglePlayerGame(GameOptions options, Player& localPlayer)
at Supremacy.Client.ServiceClient.HostSinglePlayerGame(GameOptions options, Player& localPlayer) in C:\Documents and Settings\mikest\My Documents\Visual Studio 2008\Projects\Supremacy_2008\SupremacyClient\ServiceClient.cs:line 50
at Supremacy.Client.HumanClient.HostGame(String playerName, String fileName, GameOptions options, Boolean isSinglePlayerGame) in C:\Documents and Settings\mikest\My Documents\Visual Studio 2008\Projects\Supremacy_2008\SupremacyClient\HumanClient.cs:line 424
at Supremacy.Client.HumanClient.HostSinglePlayerGame(GameOptions options) in C:\Documents and Settings\mikest\My Documents\Visual Studio 2008\Projects\Supremacy_2008\SupremacyClient\HumanClient.cs:line 337
at Supremacy.Client.GameWindow.<>c__DisplayClass6.<MenuScreen_SinglePlayerCommand_Executed>b__4() in C:\Documents and Settings\mikest\My Documents\Visual Studio 2008\Projects\Supremacy_2008\SupremacyClient\GameWindow.xaml.cs:line 636

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What is wrong, what should I do to avoid this error?
Thank you in advance for help.
Author:  Matress_of_evil [ 16 Sep 2007, 13:55 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with The Supremacy
I'm not a programmer so can't decipher all the all the wierd proramming speak, but one thing that I have had to tell a couple of people lately is that you need to install Supremacy as a clean install.

This means that you MUST either delete all older versions of Supremacy, or put the new files in a completely different folder. Just download the game again and unzip it to a folder called Supremacy 2 or something, just so you know where the new game files are.

If you don't perform a clean install, some of the older files may clash with the newer, updated files, throwing an exception and leading to a game crash.

If you've done that, make sure that you followed the instructions in the original post about installing the correct version of .Net. I added a link in Mikes original post to an official Microsoft tool that deletes older versions of the program so you can install the correct version.

If you've done all that though...sorry, but you'll have to wait for Mike to decipher the message.
Author:  HerrKanzler [ 16 Sep 2007, 16:15 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with The Supremacy
Thank you for your help. I didn't have The Supremacy later so it can't be a cause of the problem.

Maybe there is something with NET Framework (or something like this). I deinstalled it and installed one more time and it didn't solve the problem. There are links to two versions of this program. Maybe I used the wrong one? How to check which I should use?
Author:  Matress_of_evil [ 16 Sep 2007, 16:29 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with The Supremacy
If you don't know which version of Windows you have, i'm 99% sure that you've got Windows x86 (Also known as 32-bit Windows). 64-bit Windows is a slightly newer version of Windows that can handle much higher amounts of memory - which allows games to be more complicated, longer file names, and other good things like that.

64-bit Windows is relatively new, and programs need to be specifically written to be able to use these extra abilities that 64-bit Windows allows, however, so most people are still on 32-bit Windows.

You can find more info about the differences Here.

Since you've tried out my suggestions without joy, it may be another problem. I'll give Mike a buzz on MSN and make sure he sees this thread. :wink:
Author:  mstrobel [ 17 Sep 2007, 01:20 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with The Supremacy
Looks like a network issue. Do you have any firewall software running on your PC?
Author:  HerrKanzler [ 18 Sep 2007, 15:04 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with The Supremacy
I turned off the firewall, and it didn't help. But I didn't want to play multiplayer, I wanted to play in single play, so how the firewall can be the cause of the problem?
Author:  Malvoisin [ 18 Sep 2007, 15:59 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with The Supremacy
Client-Server-Principle, i.e. the game always connects to a host (in single player case this host is just your computer) and you and others can connect to that host via tcp-ip so in fact it seems a little overcomplicated and unnecessary but it makes life easier in the end..
Author:  mstrobel [ 18 Sep 2007, 16:39 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with The Supremacy
Malvoisin's got it right, except that the connection gets made with named pipes instead of TCP/IP when you're playing a single player game, so it theoretically shouldn't cause firewall issues (but you never know).
Author:  kdreed64 [ 11 Dec 2007, 07:02 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
Im not having this problem. Mine is just VERY slow turns. Do I need to upgrade my Computer?
Author:  cdrwolfe [ 11 Dec 2007, 11:31 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
Nope, no need, the slow turns are being addressed at the moment, it might be best to play on a small map however for the time being.

Regards Wolfe
Author:  Matress_of_evil [ 11 Dec 2007, 16:01 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
Yeah, as Wolfe said, keep to the tiny map size for the time being, and just wait for the next release of Supremacy. Mike has identified a number of bottlenecks in the turn processing and Galaxy generation coding, and is working to reduce or remove those bottlenecks. The next release of Supremacy will contain those fixes, so you will be able to play on the larger map sizes again. I have to warn you that no matter how much Mike speeds up the program though, the giant map will always run slower than a tiny map because there is more information to be processed, and you MAY need a more powerful computer IF you decided to play hundreds if not thousands of turns on a giant map and couldn't accept it running slow. I imagine most people will be happy with the size vs performance tradeoff though, because even the small map size is considerably bigger than the large map in BOTF. :wink:
Author:  Kirktitude [ 11 Dec 2007, 20:56 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
2.6 GHz dualcore shouldn't have a problem with the larger galaxy sizes when its finished should it?
Author:  mstrobel [ 11 Dec 2007, 21:39 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
Dear god no. In the end it will vary more based on the number of civilizations (including minor races) in the game, as the AI code will have to execute for each of them.
Author:  Valcoren [ 11 Dec 2007, 23:39 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
all I can do when I think of that is laugh; if this game is that taxing I would cry!!!!
Author:  mstrobel [ 11 Dec 2007, 23:50 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
The game's not that taxing. Turn processing on my machine takes a couple of seconds (still longer than it should be), while some users have reported turn processing times of over a minute or more. That's not a normal discrepency--there's obviously something very wrong that's causing a livelock or something to occur on some systems but not others, and it's not a matter of CPU power, RAM, or other hardware. It's likely a combination of several factors, and it may take a while to track them all down. Please don't start going out and buying new computers on account of me, I'll get it fixed :).
Author:  Strings [ 12 Dec 2007, 01:14 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
Hehe, first time I've heard of a problem like this being called a livelock. Clever :mischief:

Anyway, nice to see you're addressing the turn processing times, good stuff. :thumbwink:
Author:  FoxURA [ 12 Dec 2007, 05:16 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
mstrobel wrote:
The game's not that taxing. Turn processing on my machine takes a couple of seconds (still longer than it should be), while some users have reported turn processing times of over a minute or more.


I was especially having a long turn time... I think at one point it took 3-5 minutes just for the next turn to cycle around and that was just on the fifth turn...
Author:  kdreed64 [ 12 Dec 2007, 07:05 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
I have been playing on a medium size map with no problems now. As far as I'm concerned this game is headed in the right direction. I can't wait to see the finished product. I like it better than BOTE. Mucho Kudos To dev team.
Author:  kdreed64 [ 12 Dec 2007, 19:06 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
I just found out I can't scrap or mothball my older ships at the depot. Is there a way to do this or is it in the works?
Author:  mstrobel [ 12 Dec 2007, 19:18 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
kdreed64 wrote:
I just found out I can't scrap or mothball my older ships at the depot. Is there a way to do this or is it in the works?
It's a 'To Be Implemented' feature (planned but not yet available).
Author:  kdreed64 [ 12 Dec 2007, 19:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
No Prob. Your game is progressing very nicely! You have some skills for sure! Keep up the good work. If you have any more updated versions in the future please let me know.
Author:  mstrobel [ 12 Dec 2007, 21:33 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
kdreed64 wrote:
No Prob. Your game is progressing very nicely! You have some skills for sure! Keep up the good work. If you have any more updated versions in the future please let me know.
Thanks :). I don't generally announce new releases, as I often push new versions out on a weekly or biweekly basis. I always update the original post in the "Supremacy Pre-Release Download" thread and change the timestamp in the title to reflect the date of latest release. The downtime until the next release will be longer than usual, as I've done a lot of refactoring, so it will likely be another couple weeks before any official updates.
Author:  Kirktitude [ 12 Dec 2007, 22:00 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
mstrobel wrote:
The downtime until the next release will be longer than usual, as I've done a lot of refactoring, so it will likely be another couple weeks before any official updates.


This is a good thing. I have finals next week, and I'd rather not get F's because of a new release. :waah:
Author:  mstrobel [ 13 Dec 2007, 00:37 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
Kirktitude wrote:
This is a good thing. I have finals next week, and I'd rather not get F's because of a new release. :waah:
Good luck--that's one thing I don't miss about school :mrgreen:.
Author:  Comtraya [ 22 Jan 2008, 21:24 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
FoxURA wrote:
mstrobel wrote:
The game's not that taxing. Turn processing on my machine takes a couple of seconds (still longer than it should be), while some users have reported turn processing times of over a minute or more.


I was especially having a long turn time... I think at one point it took 3-5 minutes just for the next turn to cycle around and that was just on the fifth turn...


I noticed that when a ship is set to "explore" and not "engage" or "avoid", it takes a while for the next turn, but once it is off, it goes back to normal.
Author:  mstrobel [ 22 Jan 2008, 23:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: A problem with Supremacy
Comtraya wrote:
I noticed that when a ship is set to "explore" and not "engage" or "avoid", it takes a while for the next turn, but once it is off, it goes back to normal.

That's a known issue. It gets worse as there the amount of unexplored space shrinks. It will eventually be fixed, but it's been a low priority.
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