I have been thinking about when the new series should be based for a while and i have realised that the ending of voyager could create a few problems with regards to the era that it is set in. With Voyager getting home and bringing all of that new technology that they gained from the future Janeway i think that the balance of power would be greatly altered in the alpha quadrant.

If my memory servers me correctly then Voyager has new shields that are practically invincible and new borg killing torpedoes, where would the challenge be once all of Starfleet is equipped with these? This can't be ignored surely?

Please let me know if i have missed something here.

there would be an imbalance, but then if u think about it, starfleet already had an advantage over most of them anyway, and im sure there will be some accord somewhere if the producers of the show wanted to make it fair. how hard would it be to say in the first episode: 'all those enhancements brought back from voyager, and we cant use them because of the ZZZ accord prohibiting them' and give some reason like the romulans and klingons were outraged.... not a big problem. but i doubt the format of show will be used like it has previously. I think theyll introduce it as a new idea NOT focusing on a captain and 1 crew,nearly every story has been done. any that are left wont fill 7 series of 24 eps each.

Well the Temporal Prime Directive would probably fill the gap of the "ZZZ Prohibition Accords".

Since the technology hasn't been developed natively by Starfleet yet, the the technology would have to either be destroyed (Fat chance) or it would have to be sealed away until such time as the technology has been developed independantly, or the very survival of the Federation depended on the technology.

I've been reading the MASSIVE fanfic that Zahadoom posted in another thread, and they've thought about this subject in quite a lot of detail.

Basically, whilst Voyager was in the Delta Quadrant, Federation technology obviously improved. Torpedo effectiveness and targeting systems greatly improved, and Phasers are basically neared the end of their working life.

A new weapons system, known as an "Isomagnetic Disintegrator" is becoming increasingly utilised on Federation ships, with Phasers as secondary weapon systems.

The improved weapons power and targeting systems have meant that the Federation is able to use Transphasic Torpedoes without too much concern for the Temporal Prime directive. The Federation is also at war with the Cylons of Battlestar Galactica, so it's survival does depend on the technology.

The technology has also been shared with the Klingons, but they did not use it. They instead decided to take the targetting systems and make it standard equipment. They then focussed on improving the power of their Disruptors, so that their ships could match Federation ships equipped with the new Isomagnetic Disintegrators.

There are very few ships currently equipped with the new Disruptors and Isomagnetic Disintegrators, however. These ship[s tend to be the largest ships, or those that were already recieving refits.

However, on the front of Voyager's Adaptive Armour, the Federation has made very little progress in utilising the technology - so Voyager is still the only ship equipped with it.

However, the upgraded weapons systems that are quickly becoming standard armament in the Federation fleet means that there is little need for such massively powerful defenses.

Anyways, as you can guess, I really like the fanfic, but it is just one possible way that the technologies brought by Voyager could be used - if the Cylons invade, that is...

maybe i will have to read this particular fanfic, it sounds good. it has everything, big guns, cylons... everything

where can i find out more about it at?

i'm thinking the next series should be based about five years after the dominion war...

on a smaller ship... like the xenon class for instance.

oh... and it should have a transwarp drive. definitely.

what about the mirror universe time line? could have some interesting story lines

If people wanna read the fanfic, it is spread across FOUR BOOKS.

These can be found on fanfiction.net:

Book 1


Book 2


Book 3


Book 4


...And it HASN'T been finished yet!

The Books are split into chapters, which are spaced on separate pages, so remember to click on the links! DON'T make the same mistake as I did and read chapter one of Book 1, chapter one of Book 2, and chapter one of Book 3 before realising something isn't right!

Oh, and to edit my last post, i've just read in the last chapter of book 3 the Federation has NOT shared the Transphasic Torpedo technology with the Klingons - I misquoted the fanfic, sorry.

Quantum Slipstream Drives have also come into use to replace older Warp technologies. It is still only first-generation technology, and isn't quite as fast as it could be. Still, they can go at 1.8 lightyears per SECOND! 8O

There are only a few ships that are thus equipped, but I won't say which ones, coz there'd be a major spoiler in there.

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Anyways, as for a new series, perhaps it could be set on a Mirror Universe Xenon class, Scatter?

Or perhaps it could be a series all about the aftermath of Nemesis - the (New) Romulan Senate is now more open to the advances of the Federation, and they could embark on joint projects together - the culmination of which could be a ship that was designed, built, and crewed by both the Federation and the Romulans.

Of course, this series would be set a <little> more than 5 years after Voyager...it would be more like 5 decades.

thanks moe.

Ritter, the official name of Species 8472 is "Species 8472".

I like the ideas you've posted for this future fanfic you're planning. If you want to host it somewhere, get in contact with Scatter. (Send him a PM - he's the guy that is writing the Illustrious fanfic and posted a few posts above in this thread) He's already hosting two other fanfics on his site, and - if it's good enough - i'm sure he'd host yours as well.

His fanfic is based on a ship from 3 years after Voyager's return, in fact Seven is one of the main characters, and Janeway is a semi-regular one.

Your ideas aren't entirely original, (No offense intended here, i've read a few fanfics ) although as far as I know, they're in a new setting.

As for wiping out the Ferengi, Scatter has all but done the same in his Illustrious fanfic. Ferenginar and all 18 of their colonies were wiped out when their Star went Nova. In fact, EVERY Star in Ferengi occupied territory went Nova simultaneously, thanks to a Borg-enhanced Breen weapon that was controlled by the Jem'Hadar...I know, confusing, but read the fanfic and it'll make a LOT more sense.

For essentially wiping out the Romulan's Military/System, refer to the fanfics that I posted above. The Cylons were pretty aggressive, but what do you expect? The Romulans are related to Humans, afterall...

For the political side of the Federation, you may again want to speak to Scatter. His fanfic delves into a lot of Federation politics, and a split almost occurred - on Vulcan, no less! 8O

If you're wondering why i'm referring to Scatter so much, i'm his proof-reader, (Shameless pluging unintended ) but your fanfic seems to correspond on several points with his fanfic.

With a little work, you could even do a fanfic set in a future based on Illustrious - although this is your fanfic, so you decide where it goes. Those are just my thoughts on the matter.

Oh, and this map might help you on the Galactic war side of things:



Its a bit on the big side, which is why I didn't post it direct on the page. Its a map of a supposed second Dominion invasion that happened 15 years after the first. The Dominion ends up subjugating the Federation, Romulans, Klingons, and the rest of known space for more than 200 years.

Anyways, it's based on a fanfic called Restoration, which you can find an overview of here:



And as another shamless plug, here's Scatter's fanfics site:



If you've already seen it, it's had quite an overhaul recently, so visit again.

Are you on about the Borgy bit, or the entirety of the quote, Scatter?

Coz if so, maybe I dreamt it...

Of course, I might also be getting my fanfics mixed up. I'm reading three of them at the same time!

i remember it all except the borg bit.
scatter why did they do that, just to get drones or what?

it's been hinted at, but not properly explained yet.

the breen used the borg technology to make quasi-drones out of a large number of ferengi. exactly why they did that was partially explained in "The Victim is Always Passed Guilty" with the drones being used to mine for materials. There's still more explaining to come...

I wasn't criticising your ideas, far from it. I meant it as more of a "warning" really, since people might start thinking plagiarism or whatever if you have no fresh ideas.

Holographic soldiers is a new one on me though, so I doubt you have a problem there.

I certainly see the possibility of ECH's (Emergency Command Holograms) like the Doctor becoming far more prominent in the future of Trek.

The map I showed you was just one of those random things that i've found as I was trawling the internet. As I said, it was created for another fanfiction in it's own right, but i'm glad it helped you get an idea of the relative placements of systems etc.

There has never been a definitive star trek map produced - even the Star Trek star charts are supposed to have inconsistencies. I usually refer to the maps on Ex Astris Scientia though, they're as good as anything else, and the people who run Ex Astris are absolute accuracy freaks.



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Continuing what I said about the ECH earlier, I read something somewhere about AI's in the future of Star Trek that I thought was quite cool.

I think it was a mini-fanfic about a research facility in the Federation where new computer systems were designed. The fanfic focussed on one particular type of computer known as the Colossus computing system.

It was as powerful as any computer system you would find on a ship such s Voyager, but the main difference was that the entire computing core was dedicated to running a single program. Since it doesn't need to run the Life Support systems, Warp Core, and so on that the computer on a Starship would need to do, you can imagine just how much power was running behind the program!

This program was the first true AI in Starfleet, (Other than Data, who was an Android - the program was for all intents and purposes sentient, but it had no body as such.

It all began when the computer system encountered a problem when trying to interact with the researchers who were testing and programming it.

The only way it could interface with anyone on the station was if they were to enter a special room that contained all the interfaces etc. that fed it. All the systems were kept in a special room because it was top secret, afterall.

Anyways, the problem was that the computer wanted to study the researchers so that it could communicate with them better.

It figured out the shift patterns of the reseacrhers, so when they weren't around, it began to reconfigure itself, and to cover its tracks, it fed them false information so they wouldn't know what was going on.

It reconfigured some of its interfaces into internal sensors and Holographic interfaces, allowing itself to scan the researchers and create a Holographic representation of itself. It then created the representation, based on what it had scanned of the researchers' physical characteristics. (Since they were the only organic lifeforms it had ever "seen", it modelled itself on them so - it hoped - it could communicate with them more effectively)

The first thing they knew of what the computer had done was when the head researcher came into the room to run some standard tests one day, and was met by the Hologram.

The fanfic then fast-forwarded a few months, and went into a big discussion about the implications of the new AI and its uses onboard starships. It talked about the possibility of replacing the entire crew with Holograms and the AI, effectively removing the dangers of space travel to organic life. Any ship that was equipped with an AI was also a much more effective fighting force, because they could physically control and protect themselves and their crew.

The possibility of ships that had no crew was also thought of, since ships have no need to sustain life can put more power into shields, engines, weapons etc. so Starfleet could become a much more powerful force. The sheer number of implications were incredible, and it even went on to talk about the physical value of such AI's as though they were real people.

It then jumped ahead again, to the creation of special banks where the AI's could be stored, trained, and be integrated into new ships were built, and the AI's had to swear an oath of alliegance to the Federation to ensure they wouldn't betray the Federation.

All new Starships had their own AI, which passed their own experience onto the crew, grwatly decreasing the amount of time needed to train new crews, and increasing the performance of the ship considerably. Whenver a ship was decomissioned, the AI was simply deposited in the bank, until it was assigned to a new ship.

The AI's became a major part of the Federation, and they were eventually offered their own star system, just as the Nanites were in TNG. However, the AI's declined the offer, preferring to stay with their crews for the good of Starfleet and the Federation.

Anyways, I digress. (As usual )

Anything is possible in the world of Trek, but based on Voyager and the Doctor/EMH Mark 2/ECH, I think Holograms are going to become very prominent in the Federation.

I'd like a fanfic where they're used in the future as they "should be", and aren't simply considered as pieces of technology.

correct me if im wrong (and i probably am) but in a TOS episode with the crazy doctor and the supercomputer that wiped out a fleet of ships, wasnt there a discussion about how mankind was explorers and that they could just send probe after probe out but then thats not proper exploring. This is really vague, but i dont think that the feds would ever replace crews with AIs, i think it would kinda rule out 'were no man has been before'

but anyway, TOS wasnt even real trek so nothing should be taken out there as canon unless backed up later on!

Don't worry, I didn't take anything you said as anything but constructive criticism, something needed for all writers to grow and develop. The whole idea of plagiarism has of course entered my mind, but more I've been worried about people trying to steal my various works across all different fields--hence the scores of old notebooks, signed and dated "testimonies" of individuals who have read some of my initial works stating them to be originals of mine, all that kind of stuff. It's sad to think that we haven't yet grown as a society to a point where these concerns could even be warranted.

In theory, designing AIs to function and think like sentient, organic beings makes sense, but I just never have seen it as incredibly practical. The furthest I ever went with that notion was the idea of the androids officially claiming themselves a homeworld, aptly named Soong. The Borg's overall goal of merging biological and technology--turning the ship almost into an extension of the organic body or vice-versa--seems more useful to me. Otherwise, where do we draw the line with sufficient population numbers? How do you create a believable technical foundation for an AI which possesses intuition and innovation? Also, if the AI has all of our good qualities--selflessness, compassion, wisdom--why wouldn't it have some of our bad ones--selfishness, anger, ego--too? I'm sure these questions could be answered, but I don't want to bother with having to try and do so when I just skip that part.

And as for the original series stuff, I actually agree. Way before my time, not really something I care at all about. Classics and all, yes, I know, but I just prefer the new stuff.