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Opinions on which will be the king of consoles
Xbox 360 42%  42%  [ 13 ]
PSX 3 23%  23%  [ 7 ]
Revolution 35%  35%  [ 11 ]
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i believe that Squaresoft either merged or bought Enix to become Square Enix.

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Makes sense.

Thanks for that, General. :wink:

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np

right now im hoping that Square Enix makes a good sequel to Chrono Trigger, cause Chrono Cross sucked. And of course, release it on 360.

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Ooh, i've listened to some remixes of the music from that game on ocremix.com.

Some of them are quite good.

http://www.ocremix.org/

The remixes for the Zelda and Sonic games are the best though. :wink:

If anyone knows of the site, my two favourite remixes are: -

For Sonic:

Greenhill (Euroclub95mix)
http://www.ocremix.org/songs/Sonic_GreenHill_(Euroclub95Mix)_OC_ReMix.mp3

And for Zelda:

Braving Tal Tal Heights
http://www.ocremix.org/songs/Zelda_Links_Awakening_Braving_Tal_Tal_Heights_OC_ReMix.mp3

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thanks - looks good!

its hard to find good remixes from games - the best i had before was one from tetris.

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wow... those are good
some are extremly good.

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There are Tetris remixes on there as well...I have them all... :oops: :lol:

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what would be really nice would just be a rar or zip with all of the music in there. That would be really helpful - too bad they dont have that. Downloading individual files takes forever.

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I know - you can get .Torrent files from the sites, but since i'm not exactly sure what a Torrent is, (I use Morpheus* and I used to use Kazaa* - before it died on me - so I don't use any programs that work with Torrent files) I can't say exactly what the files contain.

At least you can download the ones that you think will sound good though - otherwise you'd end up downloading something in the region of 2 or 3 Gig of music that you might not even like... 8O

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At least you can download the ones that you think will sound good though - otherwise you'd end up downloading something in the region of 2 or 3 Gig of music that you might not even like...


yeah, i saw the torrents before, but as you said, I didnt want to download gig after gig of bad music. I might if I have nothing to spend my bandwidth on (unlimited), but im always downloading something - and most of the time it comes from the torrent network.

Torrents are not necessarily 'evil' they ecourage trading of independent music such as this. Without torrents, this music would be very hard to get ahold of in large quantaties.

speaking of possibly 'evil' programs, i use Azureus

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lol not all file-sharing is illegal though

and before some one asks - if i do it at all then i use BitLord

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uTorrent rocks -- less than a mb in size -- if it weren't so effective i'd say it was 'cute' :lol:

And I'll be bold and not make it small 'cause 75% of what I end up using it for is 100% legal open-source GPL-whatever stuff, so, HA!

As for tech specs, hmm.. in a technical sense, I think my old 1.2ghz AMD Thunderbird could kick the ass of the BOTH of them with half its cache tied behind its back in most current usages, and a lot of dev's have said "why in the name of god couldn't they have just slapped an AMD or Intel chip in there and made everyones life easier", buuutt..

In a tech spec sense, an Intel using a GeForceFX from a couple years ago SHOULD be able to obliterate a Radeon 9800 with an AMD processor from the same time period.. IF you look at EVERY SINGLE important spec -- bandwidth, mhz, architectural features, everything.

Yet, the Radeon 9700, followed by the 9800 and 9800 Pro (only minor revisions from by then an ancient chip) completely obliterated the GeForceFX line. In a technical sense, Intel processors probably should be superior to AMD, yet that just isn't the case and hasn't been for years.

There's something that can't be quantified by us mere laymen when it comes to some things like this, so I've just chalked it up to ingenuity.. high-quality engineers doing something simply better than another competitor and that something simple, or beautifuly ingenius, or both, ends up producing huge gains that otherwise shouldn't really be there.

We won't know until developers have both consoles on the market and have had a chance to get used to writing uber-super-duper-multithreaded games.

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But like someone else said, PC's will continue to pwn consoles, forever :D

In theory they could, anyway. XBox360 and PS3 might have snazzy hardware the month they come out, but within a few months they'll probably already be outclassed by the latest-generation mid-level PC equivalents.

And I haven't heard of any TV standard yet that supports a resolution of 1600x1200, which my LCD does, and if I had a more powerful video card, I might get a CRT I pull out JUST for gaming, like 2048x1536. Image quality falls in to the hands of the PC now, and for as far in to the future as I can see.


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In a tech spec sense, an Intel using a GeForceFX from a couple years ago SHOULD be able to obliterate a Radeon 9800 with an AMD processor from the same time period.. IF you look at EVERY SINGLE important spec -- bandwidth, mhz, architectural features, everything.

Yet, the Radeon 9700, followed by the 9800 and 9800 Pro (only minor revisions from by then an ancient chip) completely obliterated the GeForceFX line. In a technical sense, Intel processors probably should be superior to AMD, yet that just isn't the case and hasn't been for years.


thats what ive been saying for years!

I dont think your 1.2 ghz AMD Thunderbird could out do a 360. My old comp was also a 1.2 Thunderbird, and there is no way that it could out do 3 symettrical cores running at 3.2 ghz each.

and if you follow that 'law' (moores?) about every (18?) months processor speed will be double, then yes, they will be outdated soon. Im not sure on the exact 'law' but its something like that.

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We won't know until developers have both consoles on the market and have had a chance to get used to writing uber-super-duper-multithreaded games.


thats Halo 3... stores by me are already accepting preorders!

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Square Enix's contract with sony ended in early 2005, so all the new Final Fantasys are coming out on Xbox.
This is the first I've heard of that, so I tried to go to Square Enix's offical site to find some news on it. Didnt see a word about it. I continued looking, and the only thing I found that had anything to do with what you said was a blurb about FFXI will be released for the 360 about 2-3 years after it was released on PS2 and PC.

Actually, thats not true, I just looked a little more, and found this http://www.square-enix.com/jp/company/e ... e_051118en In it it says that SquareEnix has made no concrete decisions about where some of its flagship titles, including the final fantasy series will be going.


now, Square Soft (now Square Enix) made a ten year contract with Sony in 1995. Before 1995, they released all their games on the Super Nintendo and NES (Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasies). It was a ten year contract, and tthats why all the latest FF games came out on the PS. I had a press release i found in mid June 2005 that clearly stated that Square Enix will probally be releasing the FF series on all systems. This was proven, when Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles was released on the GameCube. If their contract did not end in 2005, then this could not have been done, because Square's contract was to make games ONLY for Sony.

please correct me if I am wrong, but i dont think i am this time. If I am, then my sincerest appologies.

well, sorry to burst your bubble, but square is sticking with the ps3.

microsofts insistence that all games be online multiplayer capable has absolutely killed any chance of square jumping ship apprently.

furthermore, sony enlisted square to code all of the promotional material for the ps3 (there's a video doing the rounds on the net where the intro to FFVII is rendered on the ps3 - it looks awesome). and ffxii is rumoured to be a ps3 launch title too.

so that pretty much keeps my vote. the FF series is the only franchise left that has any real exclusivity - and sony has it. just about every other game released is multi-platform these days (ie any great xbox game that you can't get for the playstation almost certainly comes out on pc).

pioneer has also just announced the release of its first blu-ray burner, meaning specualtion that the bigger companies are abandoning the format is just that - speculation. a burner will also be handy for... other things ;)

that combined with the fact that the ps3 will be truly backwards compatable with two consoles - none of this emulator **** - will swing my vote to the ps3 at this very early stage.

of course if any/all of that changes, then so too will my vote. i'm no fanboy. sony are just as greedy as MS...


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Although the Rev is tying for the lead - i can't see in sales how it will pass the PS3 of XBOX 360. Too many people have just deserted Nintendo. Not me though.

And the PS2 only got higher sales than the XBOX because it came out a couple of years before lol

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xbox=microsoft=sucks cock by choice. why anyone would want to put money towards a company which delibertly causes problems for anyone not useing their sofware is a crime in itself.
sony, i do have a ps2, but thats ok, i just won`t purchase any of their dvd`s or cd`s as they will more than likly install rootkits on my system.
so all in all, both those companys suck balls, and will happily take you up the dirtbox for a penny.

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Isn't there stuff in the forum rules about offensive language, Jig? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I'm a die-hard Nintendo fan - always have been, always will be.

I've had a Gameboy, (The "Classic" one with the horrible green screen) a SNES, Gamecube, Gameboy advance (The non-folding one without a backlight :() and now a DS.

I even lent my friends N64 for two YEARS (Coz he's an idiot) and I loved the games on there. Completed all 20-odd of his games too... :mrgreen:

So I guess you could say then that i'm the <teensiest bit> biased... :lol:

I have played a <few> games on a friends' Playstation, like Crash Bandicoot and Prince of Persia (Awesome graphics :mgreen:) but I've never even touched an Xbox. I have had a go on an Xbox 360 demo for all of five seconds though. :roll:

Nintendo are taking a massive risk with their new console, but I for one think they're gonna pull it off.

Every review that I have read so far has said the same thing:

"It looks wierd. It's a remote control. Rubbish."
<They then find out how to use it>
"Its incredible. The possibilities are endless. 11/10. :mregreen:"

Microsoft and Sony are instead going for more of the same. They are just milking their current fans for all oftheir money by giving them a new and improved version of what they already have.

Nintendo have had the foresight to focus on the gamers-to-be. They've designed a controller that is intuitive, (Who here can't say they haven't moved their controller in a vain attempt to get something to happen in a game?) expandable/adaptable, and isn't frightening to people who have never palyed a game in their life. And it will still be useable by hardcore gamers!

So Nintendo may not sell the most consoles. They may not sell the most games. But they are aiming for the future. They're trying to change how people see consoles, trying to get new people to play their games.

They may not have made the best decisions in the past, but I for one certainly think they are now.

I'm getting a Revolution, no matter what. :mrgreen:

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Isn't there stuff in the forum rules about offensice language, Jig?


Ye Jig, that was a bit extreme. I don't care if people do a bit of effing now and again but that just wasn't called for and i didn't find it particularly funny either

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I wasn't pointing a finger then, I was just thinking about the young people on the site...like you TrekBoy...

We wouldn't want to offend people like that, would we?

I didn't personally find it offensive - if you want to express yourself like that, then fine by me. I heard worse off my teachers in school anyway! :lol:

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gahahahaha

trekboy pwned. :D

is that how you young kids say it these days? PWNED? ;)


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Scatter i don't regard myself as being that new. I'd prefer it if all the kids stopped using stupid language that no one has a clue about and that every sentence seems to end in xxxk :lol:
edit by jig, and you accuse me of foul language :lol:

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TBC you never aid you felt like that about language i would of not swared so much on msn :cry:

Ohhh well you are a young boy though hahahahahahahahahahah

Well i think that Nintedo are doing best thin comeing up with whole new console insted of updateing an old one good ont them!

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lol you win Jig :twisted:

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i didn't mean the swearing just all those pointless insults - you win Jig :twisted:

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xbox=microsoft=sucks cock by choice. why anyone would want to put money towards a company which delibertly causes problems for anyone not useing their sofware is a crime in itself.


Jig - you are entirely right. ive been fighting for Linux for... over 5 years now, and I hate (the bad parts of) Windows with a burning passion. However - Microsoft has the best programmers in the WORLD (cause they can afford them). Thus they can make the BEST GAMING SYSTEM in the WORLD. And when it comes to gaming - i'll take whatever is best, and that happens to be Xbox. EDITED here to not be slanderous: Some PS2 systems i have seen have had problems with systems such as video, cd-rom (laser and motor).

And not all microsoft software is evil - some of it is prestine awesomeness. The source is definately amazing, and I know very well that microsoft is loosing the market due to them trying to 'hijack' systems. Gates and his board aint dumb, and they know that the 'bad' programming has to go. Windows main problem wasnt hijacking (in my mind) in the first place. The 'hijacking' was just protected itself from Linux OSes. THe main problem I had with windows, was all the backdoors.

Now, to prove that there are backdoors, i have 2 stories (quite long and true)

I for one, found one myself a couple years bac on Windows 2000. This one was long and boring, but if you read my edit at the bottom, you'll see why i removed it.

now, my second story is better, but due to the fact that you all probally dont want to read my post on stories, ill just stick to one. The other one doesnt directy involve a backdoor.

now Jig, i believe that Windows has backdoors, hijacking software, etc., but Xbox 360 is the best system currently on the market, and I use it for the best possible games.

and yes, i do have a windows comp for games as well - and i have it perfectally secure against problems. It is living a happy life sharing a HD with Linux. And microsoft doesnt cause all problems with Windows.

Thats my Spiel, sorry, im tired. - i edited this post many times after waking up - sorry, but i had fallen asleap while writing a 12 page essay that i forgot to do over break, and when i wrote this, i wasnt so happy.

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I've been looking at Linux for a bit but there seems to be so many versions you can download - which should i choose?

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Moe..

Have you not played on the NES console as you list almost all other nintendo consoles except the one that started it all off. If not why, as it was awsome in its day, had zelda, mario bros "2d ones" (best), tetris. Just quality on it was cool and games were really fun.

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i still have a working NES at home. I play it once in a while, the games are still fun:)


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Let's make a new point ...

because anyway you see it, a console will only be as good as the game that comes with it !

It does not matter how powerfull a system is if you don't like the game that are available...

As i don't like sports game and shooter, it already cut one out (guess wich one 8) )

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But like someone else said, PC's will continue to pwn consoles, forever :D

In theory they could, anyway. XBox360 and PS3 might have snazzy hardware the month they come out, but within a few months they'll probably already be outclassed by the latest-generation mid-level PC equivalents.
That is very true, pcs will generally get some of the best games, because those games just couldnt work on a console. But theres another side to that story. The one that makes me love consoles over pcs is the fact that if I go out and get the newest, coolest game for my console, I do not need to worry whether my system is up to spec. Thats what annoys me about pcs. I get a new one, and 1.5/2 years later I cant play any new games.

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well, sorry to burst your bubble, but square is sticking with the ps3.

microsofts insistence that all games be online multiplayer capable has absolutely killed any chance of square jumping ship apprently.

furthermore, sony enlisted square to code all of the promotional material for the ps3 (there's a video doing the rounds on the net where the intro to FFVII is rendered on the ps3 - it looks awesome). and ffxii is rumoured to be a ps3 launch title too.
Interesting... :D Very interesting
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Although the Rev is tying for the lead - i can't see in sales how it will pass the PS3 of XBOX 360. Too many people have just deserted Nintendo. Not me though.
And theres a good reason, mainly because most of what Nintendo has put out since the 64 has, in a word, sucked. Now dont get me wrong, Nintendo and I go back quite a ways. I owned the original NES, gameboy, and SNES. My roomate has a 64, which we used to use alot. Nintendo just hasnt done anything to stand out in the pack since the SNES in my opinion.

Now dont get me wrong, I think it does look cool, but to me all Nintendo is doing with the Revs controller is making a gimmick. If its anything like before, the rev will not be as good as the ps3 or 360, and they most likely will not get alot of the better games, so what do they do? "Hey, dont forget about us! Look we've got a new controller!" Sorry, but Im not impressed. I for one am happry with both ps and xbox controllers (If it aint broke, dont fix it, right?). Nintendo better pull some rabbits out of their collective hat if they dont want to go the way of sega.

Oh, and jig. Loved the rant, dont let the censors wash your mouth out or anything like that. :wink: :lol:

And come to think about it, thats another reason not to buy the 360. Sure, Sony may be a big, evil conglomerate, but Microsoft is an ever bigger, more evil one, who just doesnt deserve any more money than it already has. :lol:

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Unfortunatly my mother (curse her grr :evil: ) sold my nes and snes for pennies (£20 for snes with games) to gamestation.

I would have gone to buy it back but couldnt be arsed cos i never played on em anymore and could use emulator and roms i supose.

Just i was saving them for when they would be worth a mint at a antique fair hehe far in the future :D

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