War has been done to death, a universe with constant war would be a dangerous and depressing place to live.

There could be tension and conflict with the Romulans, but they know they're no match for the Federation, especially with the Klingons on the scene. I don't know what happened to the Dominion forces in the alpha quadrant, perhaps the prophets allowed them one way passage back to the gamma quadrant, I doubt they're still around.

In a book a read about DS9 after the Domiion war (I know, I know, books arent cannon ) the Dominion was allowed to withdraw back into the Gamma quad. The founders went into isolation (they were considering all of the thoughts and feelings Odo brought back with him), and the Dominion allowed the Alpha quad powers to do exploratory missions into the Gamma quad, as long as they stayed out of Dominion interests.

That's the way Iimagine things are going right now in the trek universe.

Just have the Romulans in it! (And Riker) Perhaps Banana clip could be in it as well, since he looks better now he has his optical implants. Or perhaps O'Brien, but would it be a bit much with him, since he has been in two series already?

I've been thinking though (Yes it did hurt) If the series was set on a Defiant, we would get to know a much larger proportion of the crew - since there are 80 people tops on a Defiant. Even though they are warships, i think we would see a bit more character development (like in Voyager, since they just wanted to get home - and journey together)

If the story was set on an Akira - which have a few more crew than an Intrepid, and are bigger - it would start to be a bit repetitive, since it's all been done before.

What if the Romulans did find out about Sisko tricking them, so they (The Romulans) try to go back in time, and stop him making them join the war - remember, the Romulans took as many casualties as the Federation, and they lost their Flagship as well.

Of course the Federation would want to stop this from happening, and would try to stop them (Was the Temporal Prime Directive around at this time, or was it only from the future? I assume the Federation must have had some sort of rules about time travel, but was it a Prime Directive?)

The Federation needed the Romulans help in the war, and they would not like people going round changing the timeline in this way, so they would try to stop the Romulans.

Riker could be the Captain of the ship that is assigned to stop them.

This might be a bit of a short storyline, and would eventually get repetitive, but eventually, Riker might even be able to stop the war (Remember that the Dominion invaded because they believed that the Federation was war-like and weak, based on what they got from Sisko when they did that mind probe thing on him (Or did i just imagine this episode? It's been a while since i saw any episode of DS9...

How about Sulu on the Excelsior - I KNOW Takei would be up for it.
Get Christian Slater to play his number one.

I liked what you were saying Matress, to an extent. I'm tired of time travel of any kind. That whole time travel thing needs a desperate rest, espically after the whole Temporal Cold war in Enterprise.

As for Takei, isnt he like 80 by now, or something.

"Capitans log, stardate 23somethingsomething. USS Excelesor, Capitan Hikaru Sulu in command. My zimmerframe broke again this morning as i was heading for the bridge and the doctor says next time the Red Alert alarm goes off my hearing is so bad i wont hear it. Other than that, all is well." (I dont know if i spelt his first name right)

As for the Titan, its got to be a big ship. I cant see Riker taking command of a defiant or intrepid. I know there were only 6 original Galaxys built but im pretty sure the Feds went back into porduction of them during the Dominion war so it could be a Galaxy. Could also easily be a Soverign or an Akira. The Excelesor seems a bit dated now, i know they can are have been refitted but once again i cant see Riker wanting command of an older ship when hes served on the mighty Galaxy and (not-so) impressive Soverign

I think you spelt his name right STHedgeHog. I haven't really seen much of Enterprise, since i am limited to watching terrestrial channels (On which enterprise has been cancelled as far as i know after season 1 or 2)

I wondered why the timeline seemed so messed up, and a temporal cold war explains it.

Forget time travel then, just bring back Riker, and the Romulans!

Troi of course would have to be in it to some extent, since she has married him now! I'd like it if Broccoli was in it as well, i liked the character!

OK, another idea

The series could be the aftermath of the Dominion war. There could be Dominion ships that have not accepted the treaty with the Alpha Quadrant powers (Remember there were Jem'Hadar that were engineered to not need Ketracel White) They could break off and form a 'mini-power' against the Feds and Klings, and Riker could be Captain of the Fleet against them.

Or how about an expansion into Federation space by the Tholians? They haven't been mentioned since TOS, they could make a cool new(ish) challenge for Riker. Perhaps they could ally themselves with another race (I think the Tzenkethi are near them, but i haven't seen a galactic map in a while, so i could be wrong)

Anyone else have any ideas?

Here's my thoughts on a series involving the romulans.

How about a lost human colony ship ended up in the beta quadrant on the far side of the romulan empire. Of course the federation would want to help them, so they set up an outpost that orbits the planet. Starfleet would be to far away to help, but they could sign some sort of alliance with the roms saying they will help the outpost if it gets into trouble, or for supplies, etc...

An occasional starfleet ship could appear, but it would let us explore the romulan way of doing things, and a peek into their empire.

It wouldn't be war, and not to much like DS9 where starfleet always showed up in time to save them. They would be totally on their own, with the shady romulans to support them. Maybe have one ship posted at the station, but not a powerful one, just something to expand the story line.

It would be a little like ds9, but it would be totally on it's own.

What are your thoughts guys?

Yeah, this is a good use of the Romulans colione. You could have the occaisional Tal Shiar operative on board the ship (No matter how friendly the Romulans get with the Feds, they will always spy on them, where possible - of course no one would realise he/she was a spy - otherwise they wouldn't be an effective spy )

How did the colony ship get lost in the Beta quadrant? Was the ship attacked? Or did it malfunction? Surely the Federation would mount some sort of rescue attempt (Eventually) - or send a defensive ship - even if it was just an Oberth or Miranda class ship? Was the ship a modern colony ship, or was it one of the TOS-type 'sleeper' ships? (The crew went into cryogenic sleep, coz the journey time was so long)

This could be a good series though. It could be about how the colony is set up, what their priorities are, what structures could they build with the available resources (Did their ship land or crash-land?)

It would also explore the Romulan culture, and could have regular Romulan characters (The base could be run by the Romulans, so they could monitor communications)

Eventually, as the colony is built, the colonists could ask permission to build sensor probes (Or ships) to explore the Beta quadrant (Of course the Romulans wouldn't (Yet) want human ships flying round their space, (Were the colonists just adventuring humans, or Federation?)

This is where a Regular Romulan character could become 'useful' - the Romulan(s) may persuade the Romulans Senate that allowing them access to Romulan space would be worthwhile (Or just allow them to build ships/probes to explore the Beta quadrant - they would have to relay the info they got to the Romulans first, of course, to ensure that they aren't sending info about the Romulans to Starfleet, and to see if they discover anything that may be of use to the Romulans)

Well, this post is getting a bit long, so i'll leave room for other people ideas. Good one colione!

What if it was a fairly old Starfleet vessel like a Daedalus that got thrown through some kind of rift which has since disappeared. After x amount of generations they've built up a working colony. With Romulan permission Starfleet have sent a vessel through to 'rescue' the colonist, however they don't want to leave their home. So an outpost is built and a defensive starfleet ship is stationed there, (an oberth is NOT a defensive ship!!!). Starfleet benefit from having an outpost on the other side of romulan space, and they can explore some of the beta quadrant.

yea, it would have been an old ship that was lost. It could have been a sleeper ship, or something like that. They would have been there for few generations at least.

The Romulans would have discovered the colony and alerted starfleet.
A new "agreement" is made with the romulans to allow them to explore the beta quadrant eventually. The colony is on the border of rom space, so there is new species as well as roms. The roms would place a "delegation" on the outpost to ensure smooth relations, but of course, there is always conflict.

The defensive vessel would be an older miranda or something like that. Not a powerful ship, but not a push over either.

This would be a great series, an eventually allow for an alliance with the roms, but it would be tense at first, because the outpost officers always have to look over their shoulders at first...

The federation would want to send a science/sensor vessel, coz then it could explore as well. At the time, the Oberth was the only ship i could think of...

Oberth would make the perfect science/sensor ship. Just as long as they keep out of the way of nasty aliens.

I was thinking about a Miranda type ship, with tons of science equipment, but still have moderate weapons to help defend the station. No super weapons, but at least basic armaments. I couldn't see starfleet sending a science ship to a nasty frontier outpost without at least moderate weapons.

They wouldn't need to send a science ship though, all they are doing is setting up an outpost and a ship to defend the planet from hostile aliens.

The colony would be unaffected by the happenings in the alpha quadrant because they are so far away, and would be self sufficent once the outpost was established.

Also I was thinking the outpost could be a little more shady than the outposts we grew up with in tos and tng. No clear cut rules because it is truely a frontier base, and pretty much out of contact with command. There would be absolutely no limit to what the show could turn into.

If there was some sort of Romulan 'Law-enforcer', (Bit like Odo) then we could get an insight into how Romulan laws work.

Of course, the Humans would not want to follow these rules (Since they were made by and for another race) It might be fun seeing the people try to get away with things!

The Federation would send a defence ship first of all, (Miranda) and may send a second ship (Science vessel) later on. The Federation may only send a lowly Oberth-class ship, because it might be some clause of their agreement with the Romulans (They wouldn't want a Federation 'super science ship' on their doorstep, would they?)

Would the colony itself build the base, or would the Federation/Romulans build it?

I agree the colony would be self-sufficent - once the base was built...but what happens if eg. a solar storm were to disable the base? (That could be a cool episode)

Would they even be able to send out a distress call?

How would they be able to get to the base to repair it, if the transporters/shuttlecraft were damaged?

This could be great...

the base...

it would be a joint venture with the roms and feds to build the base, allowing both races to use it if necessary. The roms would support it because the feds are so far away.

I would like to think the war aspect has been played out, so it would be more about development. There would be occasional alien aggression, but mostly it would be about the characters like ds9 was originally. It gets boring when there's a super battle every single episode.

don't attack me lol but it would be cool if it was longer than seven years on the air... kinda like some of the soap operas that have been on 60+ years. We could see tech changes, relationship changes (with other races), and eventually maybe even an alliance that the feds and klings had, begin with the roms and feds...

Why would I attack you? I agree!

Seven years is not long enough (I practically cried when Voyager ended - damn Transwarp hub!)

If you are going to have a trek series where you are building a base (And colony) from scratch, you will need a loong time - didn't it take four years or summat, just for DS9 to become fully operational? (Or did I just imagine it?)

DS9 was already built, Starfleet just had to install a new computer, and give it a spring clean.

In this story line, the colonists would need to land (Crash or otherwise, no-one else has said anything else about this yet, unless i've gone blind again)

Then the colonists would set up some sort of shelter, and a place to store their supplies. (If they crash landed)

Next, they would start to explore the planet, try to find any useful local resources, and find somewhere that could be defendable, or useful to place a colony.

Next, they would need to set up food growing facilities (Either a farm, if the soils are fertile enough, or a hydroponic one otherwise)

By now, the first construction/supply ships should have arrived from the Romulans/Federation, so the orbital base would start to be constructed.

New structures could also be supplied, eg. industrial replicators, mining facilities etc. (Remember, that the ship might be a sleeper vessel, so the available technology may be below par, so the Romulans/Federation will help them out)

And so on. I've noticed that my posts tend to be quite a bit longer than everyone elses, so i'm gonna just stop here!

I'd be a little bored if the setup process was too long. I can't imagine an episode based around trying to get a replicator to work.

DS9 was fully operational by the end of the first episode. They made a lot of upgrades as time went on, (mainly weapons), however the old cardassian computers were used the whole time.

I was thinking it would be like this...

The opening episode would show the colony ship "before it crashed", and show them beginning to set up the colony.

During that same episode, we would skip forward 30 or 40 years or whatever, to show the the feds beaming into the heart of the central town to make contact after all that time. This would lead up to an agreement with the roms to allow a outpost to be built, and characters would come and go, but the show would always remain the same just like soap operas have over the years. There would be plenty of story lines because there is a ton of colonists as well as new starfleet personel in and around the planet. You would also have a miranda class ship based there to help develop storylines...

It could be a very interesting and intriging show. Tons of new aliens since the feds have never been that far into the beta quad.

Aliens would "pick" on the fed outpost, until our friendly neighbors decloaked next to the station, then they would think a few times before trying to attack again

Sorry, I just dont see the Roms letting a Federation colony or outpost in their territory. They'd boot them out, or kill them outright as soon as they found them.

The colony isn't actually in Romulan territory, it is just near their Borders (And on the other side of the Romulan/Federation area of space, so we wouldn't have to worry about neutral zones)

After the war, the Romulans would want to help the Federation (A bit) because they were allies in the war. Of course, over time tensions could build up again, and the Romulans may stop supplying the colony/base.

If the Federation were to send ships, they would have to travel around Romulan space, and the neutral zones (Remember, we are going to use a quite-well armed ship for defense purposes, so the Romulans aren't going to be happy about this, no matter how close they got to the Federation)

I like the idea of there being a 30/40 year gap in the first episode. It would incorporate these ideas (Giving the ship(s) time to actually get to the planet - remember, they would have to avoid Romulan space, the Neutral zones, other alien territories that we don't know about, etc. - Of course the crew would be quite old by then, so they would have to be colonists, in their own right!)

I had an ideathat could factor into your story.

I proposed an idea a few posts back about the Roms, that a few years after the war, the Roms found out the the Federation tricked them into allying with the Feds and the klingons against the dominion. This would obviously csuase problems between the empires, and could be worked into your ideas.

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that, Rigel.

Well this could be the main reason that the Romulans stop supplying the colony/base then. You could have storylines of how the colonists have to work out how to save resources, and become more self-sufficient.

They could also build some sort of extra defenses, in case of a Romulan attack/invasion. (Sorry, SonOfMogh, it looks like war could be involved in this again)

Since it's been so long since the colonists (Crash) landed, it could be that they have made some allies (And enemies) in nearby systems. They could help defend/supply the colony/base (Or attack it)

This could also help introduce some other alien races into the show, and maybe even make them regulars...

right, neighbors would play a factor in this.

We would assume since the colonists have been away for so long, they could have developed a different line of technology right?

I know it wouldn't be trek without phasers and photon torpedoes, but what if they developed something totally different from the feds... The base could be powered by fed tech, but the planet and any ships they've built could be based on a new tech.

I'm sorry for thinking this way, but I think matter/antimatter weapons (phasers, photon, quantum torps) have been upgraded as far as they can go and would like to see a different strain of tech make an appearance. Maybe even some form of the romulan singularity based power supply.

Who knows.... the possibilities are endless.

For a start, it would take the colony a while before they could start building reactors and the like that run on mateer/antimatter.

They would have to rely on less powerful technologies (Even the Federation would send technology that was relatively old, and by the time it reached the colony/base, it would be even older!)

For offensive weaponry, the base could be fitted with missiles, instead of photons. For beam weapons, perhaps they could develop some sort of disruptor (Like the Klingons/Romulans) because these would be the weapons that the colony would be most familiar with (Remember that this is the main weapon on board Romulan ships)

Of course, these beams would be less powerful, since they haven't been in development for so long.

Also, the Khitomer accords wouldn't be in effect, since there would be no-one to enforce them, (Except the Romulans, who would probably be more interested in the development of these weapons, than enforcing laws on the colony) and the Federation is 30/40 years away! On top of that, when was the colony ship launched? If it was a sleeper ship, it is possible that the ship was launched before the Khitomer accords, so the colonists wouldn't even have heard of them!

However, if people do not agree with this, then the technology path could be filled with alien technology. Since the colonists have made friends in nearby systems, they would trade for technology (If the colonists are civilians, then they wouldn't exactly care or know about the Prime Directive)

The colonists would have to have something with which to trade, and since they are likely to have inferior technology at first, (Depending on how advanced the aliens are) they would have to set up some sort of mining or agricultural facility, to have something to trade with. This would then attract these aliens, who would then want to trade. The Humans would see technolgy that they want, and would buy it, forming the basis of their new technology. (Which they would then expand upon, by the time the Federation ships arrive)

You have to remember they would have been there for 40 years or so, they may have developed trade with aliens, which could have included weapons...


What would be even better, is if there is an "alliance" like the federation in that area of space, and the human colonist were part of it. It would be ironic if humans from the mighty ufp joined an alien "federation" and they are developing tech along with them. That could add another twist to the story.

That certainly would be ironic...

The idea for the miisile-type weapons, was just a suggestion as their 'primitive' weaponry. Of course, as you said, they would either develop more/better weaponry, or they would trade for it.

What could this new alliance of races be called?

How about the United Confederation Of Planets?

This alliance would have to be quite a bit smaller than the Federation, since we have never actually heard of them. Surely there would have been some mention of them on the part of the Romulans?

Of course this will be non-canon (Unless Paramount decide they like our ideas! 8O ) so this doesn't matter.

Just because the roms knew a race comparable to the feds, doesn't mean they'd mention them. Remember, they are a secretive race. But they could be smaller than the ufp, it would add to the story because then, "big brother" wouldn't always be able to save the day.

How about this...

The new "federation" doesn't want contact with the ufp because the roms fed them lies about them for so long, that they actually believe them.. That could create adversity that both sides would need to overcome.

They are friendly with the colony, but hostile to the feds... and when the station is being built, they could take that as evidence that the ufp will try to expand into their space.

I would go on about this, but i'm kinda tired and gotta get up early in the morning lol

feedback??

There might be a problem with a Federation base: - the station may be built by the UFP, but technically, it would be run by the colony. The UFP wouldn't be able to send any replacement crews or supplies (On any basis) unless they go through the Romulans first.

This would not be to the Romulans liking. They wouldn't want any Starfleet ships travelling through their space, unless the ship(s) had a major escort.

Even then, it would still take a long time to get to the colony - it is technically on the other side of the Galaxy, so any ships that are sent by the UFP (Even if they travel through Romulan space) will take at least a couple of months/years to get to the colony.

If the Romulans have been feeding lies to the new Federation, (Which they would do) then this would suggest that the Romulans have a better relationship with this new Federation, than with the UFP. (This could be what the Romulans were doing during their 70-year period of isolationism - the Romulans were trying to ally themselves with this new Federation, in the hopes that they would be able to take on the UFP/Klingons?)

Perhaps things went wrong though, when the Romulans became friendlier with the UFP/Klingons and they became allies in the war - how would the Romulans explain this to the new Federation?

The new Federation would notice that the Romulans had fewer ships, and were (Probably) having problems with their economy (War invariably leads to economical problems at some time)

Anyway, enough about some group/aliens that may not even be used, if someone esle has a good idea.

Anyone else have any thoughts?