Ok can some one please fill me in on all these new amazing sub botf games that are poping up.

Theres New beginings which is the original BOTF2 isnt it? or is this now its own game and not related to botf??

Theres the online ST: Allegiance which is browser based and not botf.

Supremacy - BOTF 2 with out 3d combat?

Birth Of The Empires - german made botf 2 with out 3d combat?

Its all confusing because ive been off the net with no access for a while and everythings changed

thx guys

Jigs game has moved direction and will be a more bridge commander/armada style game.

Mikes game Supremacy is now the main botf2 sequal and no 3d combat yet, it is planned for.

Nem's game is a cool browser based game with a startrek theme. I am a beta tester and its really fun at the mo and cool its very enjoyable and is a must for a trek fan to play when released. Best thing about this game is nem is adding stuff very quickly so will probably be the first game finished. And has the appeal of no downloading anything to play and will support a vast persistant universe gameplay much like a mmo. And also will support many many players.

BoE im not too knowlagable about but its basically going to be another botf 2 game like mikes game is going to be, just developed with a different mindsets on how things will be done and will have different features most likely. This game i think i read will not use 3d combat at all and very unlikly to use 2d combat either.

thx skeeter thats cleared up everything now all i need to do is read up on them all and the progress made over the last month or two

Skeeter said it best thus far. I also help with testing for Alligence. Also I play with Supermacy here and there.. You will be impressed with both. Like Skeeter I have not yet tried the German version.. I'm waiting on that one myself...

lol what keeps you waiting? go have a look at it, go go go

hmmmmm at this time I'm attempting to write a book.. research is taking a lot of time... plus setting time lines.... Ouch.... but I hope it will be worth it in the long run! lol *Heres a hint* I have wrote some things that will really catch people off guard and turn some heads around like the gal in the Exocist! LMAO!

okay, I'll let this one count. but only if your book's gonna be a great one hehe.

no I perfectly understand you take your time. It's even makin sense since we get another bugfixing update out there this weekend and with that, it should run a lot smoother at turn bigger than 2000 which quite funnily tended to get slow like on botf.