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| Author: | CVN-65 [ 04 Mar 2005, 19:47 ] |
| Post subject: | The death of Trek... |
Well, Enterprise is pretty much dead... Do, you think Trek is dead with it? 
Did a relatively bad spin-off kill it? And if not, we know all things end, so: WHEN DO YOU THINK TREK WILL DIE? I know they might be making a movie, but... Well, I'm hoping for it... |
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| Author: | marky [ 06 Mar 2005, 04:35 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
thank god 
will trek die with Enterprise? hell no am i glad Ent is gone? YES imho, that ship and crew was and is a disgrace to the name enterprise trek will never die as for the alleged movie i hope its remade about either ENT-E and or Titan |
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| Author: | marky [ 06 Mar 2005, 04:39 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
but i think beavis and butthead have to go lol (brannon and braga) |
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| Author: | Matress_of_evil [ 06 Mar 2005, 10:37 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
Trek dead? NO! No, no, no, no, no! 
How can trek die with the fan base that it has? There have been over 700 episodes of trek, (Including ENT) there have been god-knows-how-many games and books, and Star Trek 11 is on the horizon. (Albeit a very distant horizon)
There is merchandise galore, and apparently there is (Or will be) a trek-oriented theme-park! How can trek possibly die with all these things to keep it alive? So Enterprise was a slip-up. So what? It might not count as trek in my (And many other people's) eyes, but it still passes the time pleasantly enough. Since TOS was first launched, trek has made something like $53 Billion world-wide. Now does anyone honestly think that companies will allow it to just die like that? I don't think so! Even if any future treks are only made for the money, trek will still be made alive. God, you even have people like us to keep it alive! I mean come on, people outside of BOTF would probably think that we are even bigger freaks than normal trekkies, but we want this game so much, that we are making it ourselves! If the companies are even thinking of their pockets, (As if they would even forget them!) then there will be more trek in the future. The only way for trek to properly die, is if it is no longer profitable for the companies, and if every trekkie dies! Now what's the chances of that? Trek is not dead! 
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| Author: | iwulff [ 06 Mar 2005, 12:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
Well it could be the beginning of the death of trek. I mean people don't like the movies that much, and enterprise wasn't populair either. And this only because people didn't liked it, because they wanted to stick with Kirk as the first captain in startrek (leave pike out), i mean most people that say Enterprise sux. and are startrek fans. just say that because they don't like the era where it starts and they don't like it that it disrupts the Timeline. lol it's still tv, entertainment. I really liked Enterprise, and why would i think all the time, "ey, that's different in the STARTREK TIMELINE!!!!!" there were some really good eprisodes with Enterprise, and some really bad... But really it's because of the fans that didn't want to watch enterprise (only because most of them were fools), that is being stopped. So if Startrek dies, then it will be partial the fault of those fans. Ehm.. Matress, everything has a end, and StarTrek also. It's just a matter of time, when that day will come. |
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| Author: | CVN-65 [ 06 Mar 2005, 13:25 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
iwulff wrote: Ehm.. Matress, everything has a end, and StarTrek also. It's just a matter of time, when that day will come. :insert Emoticon of being punched and beaten sencesly here: I guess... Find some other series that has a Space shuttle and a nuclear carrier (the CVN-65, btw  ) named after it, survived 39 years (so far) and made as loyal fans as Trek...
Time flies...  Oh well!
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| Author: | Matress_of_evil [ 06 Mar 2005, 21:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
<Insert smiliey of screams and non-acknowledgement of what iwulff has said> |
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| Author: | iwulff [ 06 Mar 2005, 22:34 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
i just stick to reality. I really would hate to see the end of StarTrek, because i'm a great fan of it. Sorry for giving you guys a few hartattacks .
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| Author: | Matress_of_evil [ 06 Mar 2005, 23:07 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
<Dead silence> |
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| Author: | CVN-65 [ 07 Mar 2005, 15:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
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| Author: | Rigel [ 07 Mar 2005, 17:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
I for one do not see Trek dying anytime too soon (Its hard for me to come to that conclusion when Spike TV plays two episodes of DS9, and 2 episodes of TNG every weekday). And to be honest I havent given up on Enterprise (at least not completely) yet. I dont know if anyone has looked lately, but at http://www.trekunited.com/ they have raised over 3 million dollars to support a new season of Enterprise. Now i know they truly have a long way to go (30 mil is their goal), but the fact that enterprise has gotten so much support recently, might make UPN rethink their stance, or make SciFi, or Spike Tv consider adding Enterprise (you can check http://www.trekunited.com for details). Its still a long shot, but the fact that people were willing to give so much gives me hope (the closest ammount of money donated to any other show that was cancelled was $375,000 and that was for Farscape [another good show]). The point of my rant is that there is a big stink being thrown up as a result of Ent being cancelled. I wouldnt be suprised if we just may see another season of Ent, even if it is on Spike tv. BTW, if anyone lives in an area of the world that does not get recent episodes of Enterprise, and would like to see some, write me a PM. I have about 40-50 episodes of Enterprise on my computer (and data discs), many of them from season 3 and 4. Even the two most recent episodes from season 4, dealing with the 'mystery' of the klingons in TOS who did not have head ridges. If someone would like some, just ask. |
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| Author: | Matress_of_evil [ 08 Mar 2005, 14:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
It's true! He does have a lot of episodes! He's sent me four already, from the end of season 2 and the start of season 3 - thanks to him, I saw Earth get blown up!  (Not sure if that is my Romulan side working on overdrive there...)
CVN, I think this would be a better pic of the death... 
Always said I have the memory of a goldfish...blub...blub... |
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| Author: | Jarok [ 09 Mar 2005, 02:41 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
Trek will only die when we let it. Even if there is never (God, Allah, Buddha, and Q forbid!) another movie, book, or episode, there are always going to be freaks like us, still combing each episode for minute details, making LEGO models (at least, before mine were given away to some kid - who I really hope one day learns to build Trek models), and making our own designs, stories, and games, it doesn't matter whether Big Business is involved or not. Star Trek has become a cultural phenomenon. There are references everywhere in our society, pretty much every episodic Sci-Fi has some indebtedness to it. Even when they describe it as the cliche, they do so only because Trek's popularity has made it so. And then there are always the fans. I recently read about a group of people who started making digital episodes of Original-Series Trek using some digital cameras and their home computers. They used some guy's garage for the sets, and stay as accurate as possible to the ideals of Trek. In a way, a group of dedicated fans in a garage with a computer is truer to the idea of what Star Trek is than a bunch of suits staring at some Nielson Ratings and waiting for X amount of dollars. Star Trek is all about dreams for the future, optimism for the potential of humanity to become better than we are, and hope for a future far beyond the stars. As long as the fans are true to that dream, Trek will never die. I actually choked up writing this. wow. I guess I didn't know how important it really is to me. |
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| Author: | Matress_of_evil [ 09 Mar 2005, 11:23 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
It's a part of us all
I think everyone else will get a bit choked up when they read your post...I know I did... Trek cetainly won't die...you should see the emails i get from the yahoo saveenterprise group! i'm averaging at 100 emails a day! And that's just the people who like enterprise...just imagine if everyone who even remotely liked trek went on a mass rally outside Paramount HQ! I think that would prove just how much we care about it...
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| Author: | HALNY_HAL [ 09 Mar 2005, 14:59 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
S Jarok wrote: Star Trek is all about dreams for the future, optimism for the potential of humanity to become better than we are, and hope for a future far beyond the stars. As long as the fans are true to that dream, Trek will never die. I have same feelings. Jarok wrote: I recently read about a group of people who started making digital episodes of Original-Series Trek using some digital cameras and their home computers. They used some guy's garage for the sets, and stay as accurate as possible to the ideals of Trek. In a way, a group of dedicated fans in a garage with a computer is truer to the idea of what Star Trek is than a bunch of suits staring at some Nielson Ratings and waiting for X amount of dollars. Me too tried to make some StarTrek movie on my own, but using my dvcam camcorder was not sufficient. Most important was scenography for which I did not have money and time. But for some time I am working on Star Trek animation, maybe one day I will release full movie. |
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| Author: | Rigel [ 09 Mar 2005, 23:52 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
Jarok wrote: I recently read about a group of people who started making digital episodes of Original-Series Trek using some digital cameras and their home computers. They used some guy's garage for the sets, and stay as accurate as possible to the ideals of Trek. In a way, a group of dedicated fans in a garage with a computer is truer to the idea of what Star Trek is than a bunch of suits staring at some Nielson Ratings and waiting for X amount of dollars. |
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| Author: | ragez0r [ 10 Mar 2005, 06:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
enterprise was a great show (altho its still playign, its officially cancelled).. it is not the death of trek.. trek will live for as long as it is rememberd.. movies will always come out altho enterprise did piss me off with the borg, the ferrengi... but whatever... i hope they do me idea for the show.. called "star trek: federation" or "star trek: galaxy" instead of focusing on 1 ship or 1 starbase.. focus alot of ships (in federation, only ferderation ships, in galaxy, different race ships) of course this wont happen cuz you need a huge budget.. but a wicked idea... |
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| Author: | iwulff [ 14 Mar 2005, 09:35 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
Well i think we just need a exploration ship, which will have different missions, from diplomatic mission with the Cardassians (after war), to discussions with the Romulans, about a new friendship treaty, because of Nemesis. I would like to see this happening from a Akira class ship. We also could move in multple sub stories, and one or two big once in the new serie. What do you think? |
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| Author: | Matress_of_evil [ 14 Mar 2005, 14:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
...Romulans...Romulan diplomacy...Akira...post-Nemesis...I like it!
(Still hate my sister tho)
The big plots could be something like the Klingons NOT liking the idea of an alliance with the Romulans - perhaps there could be strains or something? Of course, there could be other Romulan sympathizers out there (Like Duras etc.) they would definitely like the idea of an alliance! (Obviously the Duras themselves wouldn't be around to witness it!) |
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| Author: | Jarok [ 20 Mar 2005, 18:40 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
Has anyone read the post-series DS9 novels? If there were to be another movie, those books might make a good place to start. I also liked the idea to follow the assorted diplomatic/reconstruction missions to Romulus and Cardassia. Has anyone read the "Lost Era" novels? I know that some other people have suggested this, but a series, or group of miniseries could fill in the eighty years between the TOS movies and TNG. There is a lot of stuff that happens, but an awful lot we don't know, as well. What were Captian Sulu's adventures aboard the Excelsior? Or Harriman's on the Enterprise B, or Garret's on the 'C'? Any of these would make a great series. (The last could be interesting because we already 'know' how it would end - there could be some serious tragedy set up; the last episode could be a kind of 'last stand' ) Of course, the show could jump around (I think this has already been suggested), but how awesome would it be to use some of the original series cast before they retire permanently? The key is keeping these prequels consistent with the canon timeline (Hear that, Braga??! ) and not messing up the later stories by meeting everyone now! I'd still like to see the Romulan Wars, too! (you'd think that's what Enterprise would do, but NOOOO )
Anyway, I think there is plenty of room for future Trek series, but they need to be better run than Enterprise and follow the canon! Surely we can have interesting things without resorting to having attractive women in spandex and fighting the Borg every thirty seconds?! If you want my philosophy about Trek, read my earlier post. It should be a great intellectual series, dealing with important moral issues and interesting characters, while leaving room for some seriously awesome action! |
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| Author: | Matress_of_evil [ 22 Mar 2005, 19:21 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
So Braga is the guy who wrote Enterprise? (I don't pay much attention to the credits) Well I hope he doesn't write a new series then (Unless he gets his act together) I'd like a series/mini-series on the Ent-C, and I would (Obviously) like anything to do with the Romulans...
An Ent-C series would be cool, like you said, it would make a really great build-up since we know how it ends! Perhaps we could even see the aftermath of the attack (The alliance) and maybe the Romulan response to the alliance (Sabotage, further withdrawl etc) I really think that particular era of trek could do with some padding out, particularly since we know bits-and-pieces of it. Of course, the writer would have to be rather careful or the timeline...
I also like the idea of a series on the Excelsior. It's different (As in still Federation, but not the Enterprise) and that is how the writers have always tried to make trek - different, but the same. I haven't read any trek books, so my knowledge stops where the films/series end. I suppose I should read some books, and use them to fill in the gaps in my knowledge, but of course, they aren't strictly canon (Not that I care, but some people/Klingons do...
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| Author: | CVN-65 [ 22 Mar 2005, 20:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
Matress_of_evil wrote: ...but some people/Klingons do...  I wonder who you mean...
________________________________ This is the Enterprise C! Garret here! See the new viewscreen? Well, I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT AGAIN!! BOOOM! (Hit by enemies) All hands! Prepare for agressive negotiations! 
Sounds like Janeway, but with back up.
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| Author: | Rigel [ 23 Mar 2005, 01:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
Jarok wrote: Has anyone read the post-series DS9 novels? If there were to be another movie, those books might make a good place to start. I also liked the idea to follow the assorted diplomatic/reconstruction missions to Romulus and Cardassia. Has anyone read the "Lost Era" novels? I know that some other people have suggested this, but a series, or group of miniseries could fill in the eighty years between the TOS movies and TNG. There is a lot of stuff that happens, but an awful lot we don't know, as well. What were Captian Sulu's adventures aboard the Excelsior? Or Harriman's on the Enterprise B, or Garret's on the 'C'? Any of these would make a great series. (The last could be interesting because we already 'know' how it would end - there could be some serious tragedy set up; the last episode could be a kind of 'last stand' ) I've read the Lost Era novels,and they would make very good group of miniseries. I thought the story involving Sulu, the Tholians, and the Neyel Hegemony was the best, but the story involving Hariman and the Ent B was also very good. I was a little disapointed by the one involving te Ent C, mainly because I wanted it to about their last stand. Oh well.
I've only read the first book in the series about DS9, post Domiion War, but that one was good. I think one book series I've read that would make a great new series would be the IKS Gorkon books. The novels are set post-DS9, and they involve a Klingon crew on a new Klingon ship class (The Chancellor class) exploring the Beta quad, looking for new life and new civilizations, ... so they can conquer them for the glory of the Empire. I've read alot of ST books, many of them good, but many of them were also lacking some good action. That is something these Gorkon books are not lacking at all (they are Klingons after all). They are also very well written, not cheesy, or cappy at all. If you read the Tales of the Dominion book, the story involving the Klingon, Klag, taking on a group of Jem Hadar single-handidly (espically true since he lost an arm at the begining of the story), was about the Klingon who is made Captain of the IKs Gorkon.
Anyways, enough rambling, point is theres many books out there that could be and almost deserve to be made into a series/miniseries/movie, because the story is that good. Maybe we can get lucky, and see some someday. |
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| Author: | Jarok [ 23 Mar 2005, 02:02 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
Yeah, actually I just finished the one with Sulu and the Tholians et.al. That one is certainly my favorite of the Lost Era so far... It would indeed be interesting to see the Galaxy through the viewpoint of another culture. Klingons would be cool, if done correctly (something that would need to emphasize the difference in the cultures - the tempatation would be to humanize them, but the series would only work if we 'klingonized' them! )
It would be interesting to have a group of miniseries, each slightly connected, but each from a different perspective. That way, if two of the 'crews' ever ended up on opposite sides of a conflict (say one miniseries was Romulan and one Klingon) the audience would have sympathy for both. There could be potential for drama there! In general, though, I agree that something filling in the 'missing links' of the timeline would be a good idea, IF it is done sensibly! |
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| Author: | Rigel [ 23 Mar 2005, 02:15 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The death of Trek... |
Jarok wrote: It would indeed be interesting to see the Galaxy through the viewpoint of another culture. Klingons would be cool, if done correctly (something that would need to emphasize the difference in the cultures - the tempatation would be to humanize them, but the series would only work if we 'klingonized' them! )If you liked those other Lost Era books, try the IKS Gorkon series, its very good. The author did a very good job of Klingonizing the crew, they do not seem humanized, or cheesy at all. He portrays them in a way that I could easily believe 'real' Klingons would act like. One thing I've also liked about the books, is the fact that 'main' characters die. In most Trek shows, if theres an away team made up Riker, Data, Worf, and Ensign Ricky, you know who will not be coming back. In the Gorkon series, quite a few characters that you get to know along the way are lost later in various battles. Long story short, IKS Gorkon, good; The death of Trek, bad. |
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