Right, this is diverting my thoughts in the other threads so I've put it up here.

The eternal conflict...
The Federation. Utopian, pacifist, composed 80% of humans
or
The Romulans. Deceatfull, outdated, trciky little bastards

Yeah, so I'm a bit byus for the Feds

So, it comes down to the pool question... ROM or FED?

Well i prefer the Federation. But i wouldn't mind playing the Vulcans or the Andorians, really great races or perhaps the Tholians?

Klingons, insignifigant? PetaQ! You will see how insignifigant we are when the rest of the galaxy has taken their rightful place as jeghpu'wI'.

You may think I'm talking out my ass, but remember what happened in the alt timeline episode involving the Ent C. Ent C never sacrificed themselves trying to protect a Klingon station, so what happens? Peace is never established, and the Feds and Klingons get into a long, protracted war that the Federation is losing.

Thats really all I have to say to you Federation and Romulan toDSaHs.

( )

For me, although I like the Feds more, my favorites are the Tholians and Gorn (probably because of the mystery surrounding them)

Well I mostly opened this thread so I can isult the Romulan Empire, but a general races discussion is always welcome of course

Anyway, two Emergency Medical Holograms come into a bar. Guess which one of them defeated a flight of Romulan warbirds...

(both)

If it were only federation troops who liberated that ship (I somehow thought it was the prometheus, but clearly that was a whole different ship), but no: you are realy using the fact that two computerprograms rebelled against their own rubroutines as a statement that the feds are better than the romulans.

Anyway, the Federation may be Utopian, may be pacifists, they are certainly not 80% human. This nature of them makes them weak. That's actualy about all I have to say about the Federation. There isn't much more to say about them, realy since they aren't much more than that

About the Romulans, you continue to use our secretive nature against us, while it is the greatest power imaginable. You say we are outdated. The only reason you say that is since the only records and data you have of us is outdated. You simply don't know what lies behind a lightyear of neutral space. Heck, you don't even know what wanders into your own space when you're not looking.
Bottom line, the Rihanssu are loved by those that matters and hated by those who fear us. The latter prove to be useless to us anyway, so they can be disposed of the way we please.
The Star Empire consists of many worlds. We have many races among us. Even those who joined voluntarily. Our allies are numerous in times of need. Fear of the unknown is a powerfull driving force.

Perhaps, what we need is a neutral arbitter. I am sure Comrade Rigel can agree as Honorable Klingon that Romulan cunning is more Honorable than Federation pacifism. (I won't call it cowardice yet)

btw....

http://www.botfii.armadafleetcommand.co ... opic&t=374

Says is all, realy

Many worlds... ROMULUS, REMUS, ... errr... MANY MOONS...
Many, many worlds, indeed

We're just kind to you inferior Romulans... Pegasus cloak anyone? We don't want to destroy you, you are good PR for interstate propaganda Just remember, we dig up the Pegasus design and it's bye-bye Many worlds

So tell me. Are the Romulans still angry at daddy Sarek because they didn't get their candy in the Awakening ?:lol:

Rigel, my neutral dear man! Well, any comments?

EMH... EMH...

EDIT: read on Centurion. Let me help.


reply by Matress


As you see, I made Matress loose confidence in the universe

Vulcans are weak fools that are hiding their desires to join The Empire along with their Emotions. It will emerge one day. We will have patience.

For as far as I can remember the Feds are bound by treaties and agreed not to use cloak (yet another example of Federation stupidity). I wonder how its citizens would react if they learn that such a treaty would be broken...

One thing about that poll, I'm sure matress and his Tal shiar opperatives have done their best to pad out the poll over the weeks in their favor. And the Federation has enough member worlds, they can convince a few to come out to vote.

Centurion has a point, we Klingons would have greater respect for cunning over pacifism, but you romulans seem to choose sulking about in the shadows hiding behind your cloaks more than anything else. Granted we Klingons use the cloak also, we just dont hide behind it every waking moment like the Romulans choose to.

While the Federations insistent treaty signing and peace making has a definitive air of cowardice about it, the fact that they choose not to hide their ships behind a cloak is honorable in the point that they are proving they have nothing hidden in the shadows, ready to attack from behind like a coward. And while we are loathe to admit it, any Klingon who remembers his history lessons knows that the Empire owes a debt of gratitude to the Federation, for their diplomatic aid they offered after the disaster on Praxis.

And I ask you both to remember that the Klingon Empire consists of many differnt planets, with dozens of conquered races benith our heel. Our back country is the Beta quadrent, Starfleet has no idea what happens back here.

Hows that for neutral.

Too Neutral to be Klingon if I may say so
It could have been a Romulan answer to stall or a Federation answer to remain diplomatic (it's all a matter of perception )

Besides, my Honorable Klingon; what happened to the all mighty Klingon saying that in war, there is honor in every victory.
The cloaking device is merely used as a tactical advantage. Nothing else.

Well, sometimes we need to practice a little restraint while in the diplomatic circles. It may not always be in our best intrests to say what we truly feel. Klingon II is truly lacking compared to the Tal Shiar, and Section 31.

(I was basing most of my response on the fact that while the Klingons dont really like either empire, from what weve seen, esp in the later seasons of DS9, that klingons could at the very least tolerate Starfleet much easier than those PetaQ's the Romulans)

the feds are better, in terms of philosophy and technical ability.

but when playing botf i always preferred the ferengi.

When playing BotF it is very clear that both the Ferengi and the Federation (but specifically the Ferengi) are immensely overpowered.

I love to see you Federation scum flounder when you believe you are winning...even when one of our spies is discovered, you continue to believe in his lies!

It's all propaganda, Nuclear Aircraft Carrier, propaganda! You would be wise to figure it out some time.

My conclusion of a 2D universe is what resulted upon a scan of your pathetic computers. Our scans interfered with the subroutines of your systems, resulting in a fatal collapse of yuor computer cores. I merely reported the results back to my superiors, in a form which obviously got past your woefully inferior security measures!

Dif-tor heh smusma! That's the thing you're going to be praying for, when the plasma begins to rain upon your defenses (Oh, did I say defenses? I meant ravaged space hulks)

The Federation is enlightened We have the technology to destroy your pathetic excuse for an Vulcan colo... I'm sorry, Empire.

Oh, Rigel, you dissapoint me, not taking Fed side openly. And the Enterpirse C? Did they not come to their sworn enemies side just because it was the honourable thing to do? And, as you said; the Federation could have taken a cheap punch at the Klingons after Praxis (the Romulan way), but instead they choose not to attack, not even a sworn enemy, while they were at their weakest.

And Matress, I remember a ceurtain Prometheus tearing through a warbird like butter

cmon be fair! there was also a nebula, defiant and akira class meaning the war birds were outnumbered 2-1, rather than face a full scale war the romulans made a tactical withdraw. nice pics there btw

Actualy there was no Nebula class in the attack. You're thinking about the one Prometheus damaged when it tried to catch up with them.

Btw, no tactical retreat for THIS warbird


http://www.shiporama.org , that's the site. Pics for a lot of Federation ships

yeah.. uh ... well that warbird was uh just faking it .. prolly vented warp plasma then ignited it, during the resultant explosion it cloaked heh .. still ... 5 ship V's 3 ... not good odd's

actualy Promie is just ONE ship (technicaly) so 3 on 3 and Roms lost. Just more proof to Simple truth No4: Feds beat Roms, anystardate

technicalities, it split into 3 seperate ships, i played it on bridge commander, your standard fed ship can usualy only fire one phaser blast at any given target at a time, promethious seperated can fire 3 not to mention the barrage of photon and quantuum torps, on bridge commander i attacked 3 warbirds with the promethious without using multi vector assault mode, it seriously messed up the romulans before being destroyed, but doing the same combat using the multi vector assault mode it completely tore the warbirds apart, but it did lose one of its parts and the other two were damaged, when i reenacted the promethious incident with all ships the romulans lasted 30 seconds, promethious has an AMAZING recharge rate and firing angle, and also it is staggeringly agile, so basicaly it can switch from one phaser array to another almost instantly so the target it being hit continueous

Once again a prove of the ruthlessness and violent behavior of the Federation. They have no respect for the living. The only thing they care about is pain and death, destruction and chaos. They should be damned, killed, destroyed and crushed for their crimes.

Well, there is a little Romulan sitting in every Trek race
...
[quote=Matress_of_evil]Oh, did I say defenses? I meant ravaged space hulks[/quote]
indeed, as the pic proves

Anyway, why can't we all just; get along?

I think my answer to that would be ->

I can't say I am happy to hear that.
Now We will have to destroy you

Another violent and agressive move from the Feds. It appears you leave the Honorable and peaceloving Romulan people no choice but to go to war. It is sad things came so far, but despite our good efforts to preserve the peace, it was you who compromised it. In fact, it was you all along. The federation undermined every effort of ours to establish a peace. Now, you shall have what you want. War is imminent...

CVN Enterprise...

Have you seen http://trekmania.net? There are some pretty awesome models of Fed starships there...and a lot of information, both canon and reasonable (not fanboyish) speculation about the ship classes. You might find it interesting.

As for the Romulans, they are simply very cool. There is no way around that. (a little too much like some governments here in their emphasis on Internal Security and all )

Sela couldn't figure out that the way through the TDG was around it, probably because she was half human...

The Federation's ideals are indeed something that most rational thinkers would strive for in the Galaxy. It is truly a pity that those in power are so quick to violate those ideals to preserve the cause. At least Romulans can be trusted, in that you can be pretty sure a Romulan is being dishonest about something, while you never know who you can't trust in the Federation. I for one prefer an environment where everyone is suspicious....

Nice site, Jarok, thanks

Well, the Federation is a lamb in a universe filled with big bad wolfs. They tried peace with the Roms, btw, Centurion, but your bloodthirsty nature caused a war, and still, when Picard is asked to go to Romulus, he goes, unprotected, into the territory of a Federations well know enemy (mind you, he is suspicious because the last 4 encounters he had with Romulans ended in the Romulans fireing unprovoked).

As for Jarok; Well like I said, the Federation can't ignore the fact they share the universe with species who don't share their views of peace and equality, so they have had to addapt themselves over they 200 years
If you think that is hipocritical, fine

Btw, I didn't see any Romulan commanders saying anything about Sela's flawed tactics

(this is all not real life, just so you know )

The First Romulan-Federation war had nothing to do with that. As you all probably knew we where defending from the Orion Pirates at the moment the first Federation ship entered Romulus using the same words the Orions did to persuade us. Words of peace and friendship and the like. HAH! As you can well understand after years of terror, we didn't quite believe you and destroyed the unfortunate vessel and those that followed. There are still those that are convinced that the real Orion Pirates came from earth.

Besides, you don't call someone commanding the most advanced and powerfull starship of the entire federation undefended, are you.

Touche...

I meant, unescorted. Even the most powerful of ships are defenceless when they are cut off from logistics and sorouned by enemies (honours to captain Janeway and her resourceful crew ).

Well, the Romulans have always been a paranoid people, which is not nessecarily a bad thing. But, a race that trusts no one can hardly blame other, peacful races, for their problems. I would say the Empire needs some counciling; maybe the Federation should send the Troi family over

Yes, tell me; how do YOU feel about the Orinons...