Quick question about starships.
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SonOfMogh
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This might be more jig's territory I don't know, but I had a couple of questions about ships.
 How do you see the final graphics comparing to say botf or armada?
 Is it likely we'll get ships firing out of the phaser arrays/torpedo launchers, also will some ships have pulse disruptors or different torpedo loads?
 Are ship upgrades planned to be done in space or at shipyards/starbases? My biggest worry is that the game will be like botf and ships will gain abilities out in space with no need for refits etc.
The appeal for me about botf was always the realism of the starships, they had phasers and torpedoes and no ship in a class stood out as exceptional. My biggest problem with armada for instance was the super powers, sovereigns deflecting torpedoes etc, didn't seem real.
I know with jig and dafedz looking after the ships we'll be in for a treat, if the ultimate mod's anything to go by, was just curious as to see what you had planned. Thanks for your efforts. 
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| 27 Sep 2004, 11:40 |
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STHedgeHog
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One more thing, though not a question, more a request. Please dont forget the Original Romulan Bird Of Prey, the white one with the brown feather paint job. I did so miss that in the original Botf.
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| 27 Sep 2004, 12:41 |
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jigalypuff
Jig of the Puff
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the graphics in the final production, (once the 3d engine is sorted) will have high res textures, so we will have some lovely looking ships guys  .
and torpedos will not be reflected lol, the weapons will do what they are meant to do, and thats explode  so a torp, even when it hits shields will have an explosion to follow, otherwise it would be sily 
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| 27 Sep 2004, 15:32 |
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SonOfMogh
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That is fantastic news mate!
Put me out of my misery, will my defiant have pulse phasers??? 
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| 27 Sep 2004, 15:36 |
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jigalypuff
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no a musket  we`ll try to get the right weapons on the right ships though, just for you 
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| 27 Sep 2004, 15:40 |
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SonOfMogh
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The word musket has just triggered a crazy tng flashback! Anyone remember the early tng episode with q where they had to fight, and I quote, "hideous animal things", everyone called them that, even picard!
Seriously though, cheers for updates jig, Seeing the correct weapons on ships will be even more satisfying than the graphics!
Next time you're around, do you know if the ships will be upgraded at starbases/shipyards or out in space, public opinion is refits in shipyards but thought I'd check.... 
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| 27 Sep 2004, 15:49 |
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jigalypuff
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i`d have to go with shipyards or starbases for ship upgrades, the whole getting everything in deep space is stupid beyond belief. for refits ships should have to spend x amount of turns being refited.
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| 27 Sep 2004, 18:34 |
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SonOfMogh
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That's music to my ears mate. That was the thing I hated most in botf. So unrealistic! 
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| 27 Sep 2004, 19:32 |
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STHedgeHog
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Wahay, so a Galaxy will have orange photons, and a Sovregin will have bule
Quantiums, Excelent. And the defiant having foward phaseres was a bit strange, lol. The refit upgrade things it nice to know, no more speculation.
Just one thing, dosent the defiant have one Phaser strip on its back somewhere....?
EDIT quick research on DITL indicates it does, but theres no picture of it s im not sure where it is. Me think the rear belly, but dont quote me on that.
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| 27 Sep 2004, 21:27 |
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Jega001
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| 27 Sep 2004, 22:52 |
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STHedgeHog
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| 27 Sep 2004, 23:13 |
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Jega001
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STHedgeHog
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| 27 Sep 2004, 23:38 |
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Jega001
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STHedgeHog
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Jega001
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SonOfMogh
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| 28 Sep 2004, 09:09 |
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SonOfMogh
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| 28 Sep 2004, 15:47 |
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STHedgeHog
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SonOfMogh
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STHedgeHog
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SonOfMogh
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| 29 Sep 2004, 12:28 |
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STHedgeHog
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For gameplay then, howd would suggest this would work. Have the Quantium launcer a diffrent upgrade, or just a following one to the progress of the Photon launcher. I like the idea of being able to upgrade a Galaxy to have Quantiums, it would make sense that Starfleet would do this if the need arised, the Uprated Excel had them, so why not other ships?
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| 29 Sep 2004, 20:03 |
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SonOfMogh
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I think it should be possible to give a galaxy a quantum launcher, it should probably be quite costly and time consuming- that way you haven't got all galaxies flying around firing quantums.
You've started a train of thought hedgehog, look out for a thread entitled 'tech and upgrading'.......
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| 29 Sep 2004, 22:29 |
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Jega001
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I say Galaxy class ships should have a quantum launcher. I didn't see one in the series but it makes since that one with 1014 people, a flagship, and one of the most powerful ships in star fleet should have a quantum launcher or heres an idea, the Galaxy X class should get it. A ship that is supposed to be present In the future should get a weapons that is present now. If the Galaxy class ship was getting upgrades it would make since that was deployed on the Galaxy class ship too. What does everyone think?
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| 29 Sep 2004, 22:38 |
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SonOfMogh
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During the dominion war, starfleet couldn't afford to pull galaxy class ships off of borders for massive refits. Baring in mind the galaxy class is 15 years or more older than the first quantum firing ships, they almost definiely don't have them yet. Over time, some may be refitted with quantum launchers, but that's not what the galaxy class is about.
I pray to god they don't have the all good things galaxy refit in the game! That was an imaginary upgrade in an alternate timeline. Not only that, it looks like it's been designed by an over excited 14 year old fanboy! It's dire! Berndt Schneider on the Ex Astris site called it "an immature space dragster" hard as I try I can't think of a more apt description. I mean, why in god's name stick another galaxy nacelle on it! That nacelle design is decades out of date already, never mind by then. If they needed a refit enterprise-D, they'd have been better off giving it a tasteful refit like the constitution. Perhaps have the two nacelles replaced with more advanced looking versions, rather than just add random stuff onto the hull. I kind of liked the phaser cannon though.
If this HAS to be in the game, then make it a final refit of a galaxy, not a seperate ship. Available after the sovereign. The first thing I'll do is mod it out as long as that's possible.
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| 30 Sep 2004, 11:44 |
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STHedgeHog
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The Galaxy-X is a great ship, one of the best designs ive seen, it was a bit bulky true, but in that future the relations with other racs was unknown, but the feds upgraded the Galaxy to be like a battle ship, with a BFG phaser, transwarp and cloaking tech, shes a real beast, and A GREAT SHIP!
The X project should be one of the last things the Federation does, i think that instead of decommisioning ship they now put them through Major overhaulls, like the Uprated Excel, a ship thats that old, but suped up to be mighty again. Its the same thing that happend to the Galaxy in that timeline, and means that pehaps its possale to happen. But it should be very far down the line, and be very expensive. But Please have it, its one of a few cannon ships that isnt really cannon at all, sounds wieard that.
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| 30 Sep 2004, 14:53 |
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SonOfMogh
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Don't worry hedgehog, it'll be in there. I don't doubt that!
It's a one off as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't disfigure all my galaxies in that way, maybe just my favourite (or is that least favourite  )
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| 30 Sep 2004, 15:09 |
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STHedgeHog
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Once you see their power in combat, you might change your mind, expecially if things are not going too well for you. 
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| 30 Sep 2004, 15:11 |
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