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| Author: | SonOfMogh [ 08 Oct 2005, 12:55 ] |
| Post subject: | The Movies |
Rank the Trek movies, write a short review also if you like. TMP- I'll admit I can't even remember this one well, I've definitely watched it, and watched half of it recently, but I'm not gonna rate it. TWOK- Ahhdmeehrahhl Kirrrrk! This is a very cool film, and I still enjoy watching it. The pacing is great, the acting is top notch, the characters seem very real and likeable, the space battle is still magnificent, and the ending is stellar. It's also so so quotable, (dey poot creeetures in oure bodees). I'll have to say though, a bit overrated in my book. It's full of plot holes, big **** plot holes, which in some cases detract directly from the story. Kirk is too much of a bafoon given how awesome he was in TOS. Earns a point for introducing cool new uniforms! Rating 8.5 TSFS- I always enjoy watching this one. I just love the pacing, the way the film picks up from TWOK with everyone grieving Spock, the acting is cool also. This film gave me the Klingon BOP, the Excelsior, and the Oberth! Problem is it's just so contrived, and serves no purpose other than to undo everything done in TWOK. It is deeper than many give it credit for though, with the whole Klingons vs Kirk thing really hiked up, culminating in a painful death of the Enterprise. Rating 7 TVH- Shoot me, but I don't think I've ever watched this. I don't really want to either, I like my Trek aboard ships in the future, and with subtle humour. TFF- Not seen this in years, don't really wish to. TUC- Great movie, good blend of everything. I love the scenes aboard the big E, and the battle at the end is tense and top notch. The whole political backdrop is a great setting, and the acting is good. I watch this movie more often than TWOK because it just seems crisp and new, while TWOK feels old and grainy. It does have flaws, I hate the boring Rura Penthe ****, and always fast forward it. I also can't stomach Kirk's speach at the end, I prefer subtle messages that are almost ambiguous, Kirk's speech is subtle as a sledgehammer in the nuts. Rating 8 GEN- I like this movie, I think it's underrated. I liked seeing the 23rd century again, albeit briefly. I liked a lot of the little stories on board the D, especially Picard's grief over the loss of his family (patrick stewart can sure act). I enjoyed the whole undercurrent of death that runs through the movie, and the hopeful musings of Picard at the end. I also adore the battle, the special effects are incredible, although I'm frustrated they used a BOP and not something more menacing. Look at how the Defiant deals with BOPs, the E-D should have fired 10 photons and be done with it. Oh, and I love the way Riker says 'fire', I could watch that scene over and over. On the downside, Data's emotion chip comes close to ruining the movie for me. I wanted to take Mr **** Tricorder and shove it up his annoying ass. I character I loved in the series was immediately turned into one I hate in seconds, no other fictional character in history holds that honour. I also thought the movie lacked something, I'm not sure what though. And I have to agree with Brannon Braga in his commentary, the scene where Picard's kid in the Nexus is like "dinner's ready papa", "is just nauxious". I also thought the saucer crash looked stupid and fake. I guess overall it's a pretty mixed bag. Rating 7 FC- The best of the lot for me. Great acting, great action, fab story. Picard was believable and in character as a man on a mission, and his acting surpassed any other I've seen. I got to see my Defiant fight the Borg on a cinema screen, something I'd only dreamed of. Worf battering Borg with his Mek'Leth was awesome, this truly was the harder, leaner DS9 Worf. I'm so so glad the writers didn't just forget about all his character development, he seemed like he's been written by the DS9 guys, that was appreciated. The assimilation scenes were creepy, and the movie felt like a horror movie at time (I love zombie flicks). All the crew got good roles in this, facilitated by them being split up, Riker was likeable as ever handling a pissed Troi. I also appreciate the Sovereign design, as well as the Akira, Steamrunner and Sabre, the best Trek uniforms ever, and the awesome redesigned Borg. I can't figure out if I like the queen or not, she helped the plot, but seemed inconsistent with the Borg we know. I'm on the fence there. I also hate how the film was full of corny lines; "astronauts on some kind.....", "To hell with our orders" (you're not Spock, **** off!), "resistance is futull". I guess around the time this came out, most action films had similar **** in them (ID4 anyone). I did like Worf's "assimliate this". Rating 10 INS- Can't be arsed to write a lot here, nackered from the FC review! I didn't mind this, but it was laughable following FC. The humour was mostly ****, Data was annoying, Worf was less DS9 Worf here, aside from when he's killing Son'A without even looking at them! My big complaint is that someone has watched FC, and decided Picard's action man. In FC he was out for revenge, the meek, mild mannered Captain had snapped, it was consistent! Here, he faces a similar situation to numerous others he has faced and just goes all action again, this time out of the blue. The Enterprise get's bum raped by two ships that belong to a nobody empire, that didn't fit. I did like the conversations between Picard and Doherty, all the talk of the Federation was cool. I enjoy watching it, but it falls a bit flat. Rating 6 NEM- In a nutshell, the movie makes no sense, has plotholes you could fly a starship though, and some very inconsistent characters, but I enjoy it. Looking at the characters, although they forgot about everything from the last 3 films, Data is fairly likeable again. Picard has finally contraced the Irumodic syndrome and lost his **** mind, why doesn't Beverly relieve him of duty after he fires his phaser at a pre warp species? Worf's a joke, he's regularly getting pissed and keeping up with hardened Klingon warriors, O'Brien said "never try to match drinks with a Klingon" after drinking with him, and he's Irish, yet Worf's the only one who seems to be feeling the effects of the batchelor party, even Weasley, who's decided to stop freezing time and rejoin Starfleet, looks fine. The Scimitar is what happens when you let 14 year old nerds design starships, it beats the Galaxy-X in fanboyishness! It is just too powerful to be credible, that ship would've decimated the Wolf 359 fleet with the same ease as the Borg! Surely then it must have been 50 years in the making? A Tal Shiar/Obsidian Order superweapon? Captured alien technology? No, it was built by slaves at a 'secret base', W T F ? That really says a lot about Starfleet's greatest minds, they really **** up with the Sovereign then, by this logic the Romulans could conquer the Federation easily. 10 Scimitars would destroy any fleet, just stupid. Having said that, the battle was great, the first time trek ships have used sound tactics in battle, very enjoyable. Ok, I can turn my brain off and enjoy this movie, I could even give it a 7. When I sit and think about it I'm inclined to give it a 2, although I enjoy watching it as much as some others. I'll compromise. Rating 5.5 |
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| Author: | Carott [ 08 Oct 2005, 13:09 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Movies |
Hmm, i have to admit i had a few mind blansk tryin to work out your abreviation of the movies, but id go along with alot of your comments. First Contact by far a modern great, although perhaps not he best of all time, im going to have to put some more thought into this one. |
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| Author: | SonOfMogh [ 08 Oct 2005, 13:25 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Movies |
Here TMP- The Motion Picture TWOK- The Wrath Of Khhhhaaaaaaaan TSFS- The Search For Spock TVH- The Voyage Home TFF- The Final Frontier TUC- The Undiscovered Country GEN- Generations FC- First Contact INS- Insurrection NEM- Nemesis |
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| Author: | Captain_Billy_Bacon [ 08 Oct 2005, 13:30 ] |
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FC is by far the best but i did enjoy NEM TVH and TWOK all great movies godd reviews by the way SOM |
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| Author: | silvercliff [ 08 Oct 2005, 13:56 ] |
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| Author: | Captain_Billy_Bacon [ 08 Oct 2005, 14:01 ] |
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| Author: | SonOfMogh [ 08 Oct 2005, 14:32 ] |
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| Author: | northtexan95 [ 08 Oct 2005, 16:07 ] |
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Here's my top three: 1. Wrath of Khan is my favorite by far. That's the Captain Kirk I grew up with. 2. Undiscovered Country is, again, classic old school trek. Great stuff. Sappy at the end but a nice ending for this crew. 3. First Contact is the best of the new crew. 4. Voyage Home was just fun. 5. Generations was ok. The opening was, again, classic Kirk. That's how Kirk should die: in space trying to save the ship and the crew of the Enterprise. Not on some lifeless rock in space by a collapsing bridge. Stupid, stupid way to kill off Kirk. 6. Search for Spock is just not a memorable movie. Kristie Alley's departure from the franchise was disappointing. I really didn't care when Kirk's son died. Kept expecting the Klingon captain to order his crew to engage the flux capacitor. 7. Insurrection had some interesting stuff but could have been much better. Donna Murphy would have been enough to make me stay with the Baku. 8. The Motion Picture is a great movie if you need to sleep. Very long shots of the Enterprise moving through the Vger ship. Exciting, uh? Only worth watching for it's status as the first movie. 9. Nemesis was just awful and pointless. How could anyone a Paramont have read the script and through "this will work"??? How can you kill off Data, maybe the best character in all of Star Trek? How can you kill him off in such a stupid manner? How can you kill off Data? There have only been 9 Star Trek movies. I've heard rumors of a 10th, something call Final Frontier ... and I seem to have some nightmare about some stupid, horrible film. But it never happened! REPEAT AFTER ME ... IT ... NEVER ... HAPPENED!!!! Feel free to take the same stance about Nemesis. I may. |
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| Author: | northtexan95 [ 08 Oct 2005, 16:09 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Movies |
Quick Trivia Question ... only one franchise has made more movies than Star Trek? Name the franchise. (Hint: you folks in the UK should get this quick). |
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| Author: | The_Logical_Man [ 08 Oct 2005, 16:37 ] |
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Bond, James Bond |
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| Author: | JamesBond [ 08 Oct 2005, 16:45 ] |
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| Author: | iwulff [ 08 Oct 2005, 18:28 ] |
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| Author: | TrekBoyChris [ 08 Oct 2005, 19:12 ] |
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My top three: (in no particular order) Wrath Of Kahn First Contact Voyage Home |
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| Author: | CVN-65 [ 09 Oct 2005, 01:25 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Movies |
Well, here's my list MOP ...Well, not bad. The story was nice, but since it was the first that I'd seen of TOS crew movies and I hadn't seen much TOS alltogether, I thought it was actualy kind of funny 6 WOK I had absolutely no idea who that Khan guy was, so I recorded the movie, found who he was on the Memory Alpha and then the movie actual made sence. Improving... 8 TSFP Steal the ship, save little Spock, Klingons... bah... Liked three things; the Excelsior sabotage, Kirk fooling the Klingons on-board and destroying Enterprise. And, finaly, they shot David 6 TVH Now THAT was a grat movie! Spock was great, funny with his very appearance. The scene where they have to look casual on the intersection, Spock swimming with the whale, Chekov on the Enterprise... It was just great all around 9,5 TFF Bad beggining, bad plot, but I did like the "What does God need with a starship" scene 3 TUC Nice story, a political plot, some shooting and Kirk and McCoy on Rura Penthe. Also, on of the best moments in Trek "Second star to the right and straight on 'til morning" 8,5 Generations I liked it alot, but it could have been better. We get the opportunity to see what happens to a ship when Troi is at the controls. I always thought they'd kill off Kirk in space... Oh well! 8 FC Great, great and, you guessed it, great. If only in the end Cochrane took out a gun and shoot the pointy-eared bastard 10 INS Riker manuevar, that's all I have to say 7 NEM imho... It wasn't such a bad movie <ducks and throws for cover> A flawed plot, but nice flashy, with a nice battle and zgly enemies... Guess I'm a sucker for Specual effects 7 |
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| Author: | Eon_Janus [ 09 Oct 2005, 02:20 ] |
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| Author: | northtexan95 [ 09 Oct 2005, 02:25 ] |
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| Author: | Adm_Willie [ 09 Oct 2005, 11:28 ] |
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Ive only seen the frait of khan and First contact |
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| Author: | Captain_Billy_Bacon [ 09 Oct 2005, 14:04 ] |
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| Author: | Rigel [ 09 Oct 2005, 17:06 ] |
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1. FC by far the best. 2. WOK and TUC are tied for second. Khan was a good charcater, but wouldnt you think a genenginered uberman would have been smarter than kirk? 3. GEN was a fine movie, although I'd have to agree with SOM, why'd they use a BOP, and not some other actually good Klingon ship? Liked the first 10 or so minutes with the ENT-B, but it had a stupid way for Kirk to die later on though. 4. SFS A good movie. It holds a special place for me because it was the first piece of trek I had ever seen. My parents rented the movie one night when I was 6-7, and after that night I watched it about 2-3 more times before they returned it. Cristopher Lloyd (Doc from Back to the Future)made a perfect Klingon, and the scene with the original ent blowing up is classic. "Their computer is saying something." "Let me hear." [7..., 6..., 5..., 4] ...... 5. Liked the faster pace of Insurection but Picard was too much of a commando (a problem he revived in NEM). It was also quite dumb to have the federation's ship of the line geting her ass almost handed to her by two ships of a (until then) unknown species. Maybe if they had a few more ships it would have been more believable (and probably a better fight scene). 6. TVH I never really saw this as much of a true trek movie. It was more of a comedy than anything IMO (mainly because it had some truly memorable lines). The whale probe was just laughable. It looks like the special effects team painted a can of Pringles black, and added another little knob. 7. TMP Its a ok movie. I dont really have anything against it, but I also dont have anything I particulary like about it either. Ok, how to decide which one of the last two movies is the worst.... 8. Well Nemesis was trully a horrible movie. If you want an explanation why, look to SOMs first post. He summed it up quite nicely there. Either way, if I remember correctly, alot of us here at the site came to the conclusion the Nemesis wasnt real, it just happened on the holodeck. They just forgot to show Data saying "Computer: end program." at the very end of the movie. 9. But ST5 was completely and utterly stupid. And it would be best if it was just completely forgotten. |
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| Author: | Rigel [ 09 Oct 2005, 17:15 ] |
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BTW, if anyone wants to see something pretty funny click here. http://www.stardestroyer.net/Nemesis/Pictorial-1.html This whole comedic pictoral review of Nemesis makes alot more sense than the actual movie. Its got some profanity in it, so if you'd be offended, dont read it. |
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| Author: | Captain_Billy_Bacon [ 09 Oct 2005, 23:01 ] |
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| Author: | Baldurslayer [ 10 Oct 2005, 00:14 ] |
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| Author: | Captain_Billy_Bacon [ 10 Oct 2005, 00:27 ] |
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| Author: | Nemitor_Atimen [ 10 Oct 2005, 01:13 ] |
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| Author: | Captain_Billy_Bacon [ 10 Oct 2005, 16:10 ] |
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| Author: | CVN-65 [ 10 Oct 2005, 20:04 ] |
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| Author: | Captain_Billy_Bacon [ 10 Oct 2005, 20:28 ] |
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| Author: | TrekBoyChris [ 10 Oct 2005, 20:37 ] |
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| Author: | Captain_Billy_Bacon [ 10 Oct 2005, 20:53 ] |
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| Author: | CVN-65 [ 10 Oct 2005, 20:59 ] |
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