Where did the 'What do you believe posts go?

I suppose one of the devs got rid of it.

When it comes down to it, it was an interesting discussion, but really didnt have a place on these boards.

That topic realy crossed some lines. After some complaints of myself and a few others jig deleted it.

i thought this was a general forum?

it is, but somethings just go overboard.

That's why I didn't post in it - it wasn't me who complained (If anyone did) but I for one did think it crossed the line a bit.

Didn't stop me from reading it though.

Ah, whenever you try to discuss something as important as someones faith, it's bound to end badly

:lol:

I think it's part of Star Trek to discuss about faith. On my side, I am not so interested in technical aspects, so I liked this tread much better. (If I have offended someone with my Bush critizism...)

Nah, you wouldn't - most people (i know) feel the same way about him. It'd get deleted though - shame

Faith is something that can't even be discussed. You can only ask someone what they believe in and maybe even why they believe that way and that's it. You cannot 'discuss' it as there is no religion which is worse or better than one another or which has more potential, credibility, or whatever.
That is exactly what happened, though. And thus it was deleted which was the right thing to do.

These are about the final words I have to say about this subject.

faith is such a taboo subject nowadays, if people would just act professionally and mature in conversations such as that it wouldnt have been nasty( i also dont think it was nasty, but obviously some people thought it wasnt politically correct...

and so ends free speach!

Dream on if you think i`ll ever shut up

So what's that in the Rules forum (Quote AFC) You do not have Freedom of Speech here

@ Undated. Please use a more relavent topic title than a simple question mark so people know what topic there actually going into. Cheers..

I am very sorry, but I thought you noticed allready that English isn't my motherlanguage, so I make some mistakes in my expressions. Talking about faith is very interesting and I think it's okay if you tell some people, that there opinions are a little bit wrong. (Like all Islamists being the same)

And if you think, this topic should be closed/deleted, why are you posting here? Do you have nothing else to do?

you may not, i do
@claton who were you talking to?

ah well... i was gone for a few days so i don't know what was online.. Well it's for the best i guess. Although i don't know why it got deleted, jig. Could you please tell me over pm?

Mostly, I was talking to our Centurion Vardin, because it was his opinion, that the "faith-tread" was right to be closed down. I think it's very interesting to hear about what other people beliefe in and I think a Star Trek Forum isn't a bad place speaking about faith. In Star Trek, faith is also very important

I am sorry if I was unclear and I am willing to explain myself. I have nothing against discussions over religion. Whilst not a strict religious person I am very interested in the ways people view the world and therefore I hold every persons' right to their own faith and belief with the highest of standards.
These are difficult times. With lots of pressure on various religions, conflicts between religions and the idiotic belief that one religion is better or worse than another. Those things blur the entire discussion and can become a source of agony and pointless flamewars and other fights about things that are completely irrelevant. That was very close to happening due to a few statements by various people. (Which few people have read thankfully.)
To protect the opinions and beliefs of our posters I asked jigaly to delete the thread and he abided to my request.

On a completely different level, this is a Star Trek forum. If you want to discuss religion, start discussing Bajoran faith and what the Prophets mean and things. There is too much suffering in the real world with a religious background to risk getting things out of hand here.

I hope this explanation was clear enough. If people think I am overreacting; I may. But I know people can get real upset when something they believed in their entire life is being critisised or abused. Even when it happens unintended.
That's something we might wanna avoid.

Did I miss a part of that thread?
I remember people stating in the middle that the thread will turn into a flame war, etc. and that it should be deleted immediately, but even when they said that, there was no argueing that I could detect. In fact, I was glad to read it as that was the friendliest discussion of faith I had ever seen. I generally don't get to know other people's beliefs otherwise. I'm sorry that it is gone, but maybe it was for the best, who knows. This thread on the other hand, I think might just qualify for deletion or locking, as it doesn't really serve a great purpose. I'm not a moderator, so I don't really know that either.

@smith, your exactly right! I know i wasnt shoving anything down anyones throats, there were a few immature and silly comments, but on the whole it was the best conversation ive seen on these forums about anything in along time, (the usa polictics 1 was good, but it did get silly!) but this gave proper opinions and different viewpoints, i also think that it had every right to be on a star trek forum. Star trek teachs respect and tolerance to other cultures, and this was a conversation that was being informative and incitful. Its a shame that the mods didnt just close it, rather than delete it.

Dont understand how some people can ask to have it closed, when so many other people are enjoying it.... or learning from it.

theological debates are difficult to carry on a forum. they usually degenerate into two sides trying to "sell" their point of view as opposed to a rationalised discussion. now that is the basis for any debate, but when religion is concerned it's a harder sell, and peeps quickly become a bit peeved when their personal faith (or lack of it) is questioned.

i know, because i'm one of the worst for doing it, which is why i tend to not get involved in them. i detest organised religion and reject the existance of God. so it's understandable when a devout christian takes offence at me pointing out the millions of flaws in the bible for instance - a thome that they have spent their life worshipping.

Damn Moderators