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jigalypuff
Jig of the Puff
Joined: 10 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 1305 Location: I wish i knew
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what should it be, it appears the correct name is norexan, me i think valdore is better lets put it to the vote lads and lassies.
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12 Oct 2005, 20:39 |
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skeeter
Klingon Honor Guard
Joined: 22 Apr 2005, 01:00 Posts: 1527 Location: UK
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I choose other, and shoudl name it, Super dupa uber rommy warbird.
Seriously tho i dunno. Both sound good to me.
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12 Oct 2005, 20:44 |
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TheWhiteRaven
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Joined: 31 Oct 2004, 01:00 Posts: 213 Location: PEI, Canada
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lol, I've addressed this a couple of times. I think Mogai should be added as it's the only published name for the class not just one of the ships seen in Nemesis. Waddya say Jig? How about adding Mogai or just change "other" to Mogai?
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12 Oct 2005, 20:45 |
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jigalypuff
Jig of the Puff
Joined: 10 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 1305 Location: I wish i knew
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ok i added that option but in truth it sounds like matey from the jungle book, not a rom warship.
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12 Oct 2005, 20:48 |
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Eon_Janus
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Joined: 18 Sep 2005, 01:00 Posts: 86 Location: Argentina
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if i'm not mistaken, Valdore was the name of the ship, not the class. so Valdore wouldn't fit i think. i don't know what the other two names stand for, though. =P
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12 Oct 2005, 21:33 |
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TrekBoyChris
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Joined: 17 Jun 2005, 01:00 Posts: 1657 Location: USS Victory - NCC 362447
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I've voted for Valdore although i agree that Norexan is the class name. I just prefer the name, and i think we established in Nemesis that the Norexan class is a very recenent adition so maybe only one will be avalible until you reach a certain level
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12 Oct 2005, 21:49 |
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Coopa
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Joined: 24 Sep 2005, 01:00 Posts: 94
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I found this
http://www.sttff.net/norexan.html
It appears that it is the Norexan class but can be referred to as the Valdore class. The Mogai was a name of one of ths ships of that class
Also this site shows stats on weaponry etc
This site also has information on present ships including the followup to the Defiant (the Valiant)
The follow up to the Akira and other ships. Not sure if they are real though!
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Fine it can be Valdore then
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12 Oct 2005, 21:59 |
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TrekBoyChris
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Joined: 17 Jun 2005, 01:00 Posts: 1657 Location: USS Victory - NCC 362447
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You mean the Valdore class?
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12 Oct 2005, 22:03 |
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Eon_Janus
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Joined: 18 Sep 2005, 01:00 Posts: 86 Location: Argentina
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wouldn't it be better if it were the Norexan Class and leave Valdore as a possible name when building one?
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12 Oct 2005, 22:18 |
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Coopa
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Joined: 24 Sep 2005, 01:00 Posts: 94
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Thats what I'm thinking. Leave Mogai as a possible name too
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12 Oct 2005, 22:24 |
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Captain_Billy_Bacon
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Joined: 15 Sep 2005, 01:00 Posts: 1048 Location: West Yorkshire!
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Norexan Class thats its name so i been told so i voted for Norexan many websites say that valdore is the name of the vessel in NEM so Norexan gets my vote!
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12 Oct 2005, 22:25 |
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iwulff
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Joined: 18 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 884 Location: Germany
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jig i have a playing card about this ship. It's the Valdore ship, and the
Norexxan Class according to the offical cardgame lol... but well i also kinda like valdore.
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12 Oct 2005, 22:47 |
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Matress_of_evil
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Joined: 02 Dec 2004, 01:00 Posts: 7392 Location: Returned to the previous place.
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I like the name 'Valdore' as well, but I don't mind either way.
They are both considered as the name, so whichever one wins, i'll be happy.
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12 Oct 2005, 22:53 |
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USS_Defiant
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Joined: 13 Dec 2004, 01:00 Posts: 8 Location: Netherlands
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I've voted for Norexan, Valdore is just a ship name not the class...
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12 Oct 2005, 23:45 |
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zahadoom
Xenolinguistics Engineer
Joined: 21 Sep 2005, 01:00 Posts: 285 Location: Canada
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i like valdore, as for the other name well what about the uss galaxy???
thats a class and a ship name, who is to say the romulans dont do the same.
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13 Oct 2005, 00:49 |
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skeeter
Klingon Honor Guard
Joined: 22 Apr 2005, 01:00 Posts: 1527 Location: UK
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I never heard of a USS Galaxy for a ships designation, just U.S.S Enterprise and such. And its sister ship whatever it was called.
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13 Oct 2005, 00:59 |
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zahadoom
Xenolinguistics Engineer
Joined: 21 Sep 2005, 01:00 Posts: 285 Location: Canada
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noooo "galaxy" is a ship class..... i was siting the uss galaxy as an example of a ship and a class of ship with the same name, uss is just a prefix..
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13 Oct 2005, 01:01 |
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Eon_Janus
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Joined: 18 Sep 2005, 01:00 Posts: 86 Location: Argentina
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that's a good point, seeing as actually there is an USS Intrepid which is Intrepid class (i am preety sure of it, but i could be wrong).
but, as they say above, many sites state that the Valdore is a Norexan class vessel. Besides, seeing as we'll be able to name the ships, you can have the Valdore if you want. =P
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13 Oct 2005, 01:31 |
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Rigel
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 15 Nov 2004, 01:00 Posts: 538 Location: FL
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Well its always been sort of a given in trek that the first vessel of any class is named after that class (ie the Defiant).
As for the name I voted for Mogai, but only because it is refered to as that class multiple times in the TItan bok series. But, since most people will never read those books, and will have no idea what it is at first, I wouldnt are if you went with one of the others (its Mogai in my mind now).
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13 Oct 2005, 03:47 |
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Eon_Janus
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Joined: 18 Sep 2005, 01:00 Posts: 86 Location: Argentina
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doesn`t Mogai sound like a Cardassian name? (just a curiosity)
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13 Oct 2005, 04:26 |
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Centurion_VarDin
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Joined: 02 Apr 2005, 01:00 Posts: 373 Location: Ch'Rihann, Romulus system
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In the Federation EVERY first ship of a certain class bears the name of that class. You have the USS Oberth, the USS Akira, the USS Galaxy, the USS Intrepid, USS Defiant, etc. etc. It is something I believe even BotF had! If not, I do hope BotF2 does since that is a very common fact I believed.
I do not know if the other races hold this same principle. But if that is the case it can very well be that the Norexan is the first ship name of it's class. What is certain is that the Valdore is just a ship name. It could be the same name as it's class and still name this the Valdore class if it happened to be the first ship of it's class ever constructed.
But I believed there was no canon evidence to support either theories and the Valdore was chosen as name in means of simplicity. So where does this Norexan name come from as I have never ever heard from it before What is the source you get this from, jig?
EDIT: never mind that last question. I found the answer in the original thread. I vote for the name Norexan now. As long as you make the Valdore a name of that class
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13 Oct 2005, 08:47 |
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SonOfMogh
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 20 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 690 Location: UK
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Since there seems to be confusion over this, let me clarify.
The ship has no canon class name. All we've seen is one vessel, known as the Valdore. The other ship which was brown wasn't named. That is literally it regarding Star Trek canon.
The name Norexan was invented originally for some kind of uber geek star trek card game. Presumably the makers figured it would be dumb to assume the Valdore was the prototype ship, so they made up a Romulan sounding name. This name has cought on heavily in fandom, with many websites listing it as Norexan class. There are just as many that call it Valdore class, just like people sometimes use Centaur Class for example.
As both names are recognised, one of them must be used. I've never heard of mongrel class or whatever it is. I went for Valdore as it sounds cool, I don't think it would be that much of a cooincidence if the Valdore turned out to be the class ship, after all we've seen the Negh'Var, the Defiant, the Galaxy etc etc. Plus it sounds cooler.
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13 Oct 2005, 09:06 |
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iwulff
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Joined: 18 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 884 Location: Germany
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I wouldn't be suprised if donatra had the first vessel of that class. I like Valdore more because it fits better to the ship, so i go for the Valdore class.
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13 Oct 2005, 09:47 |
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Matress_of_evil
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I agree, Iwulff, I wouldn't be surprised if Donatra had managed to get her hands on the first ship of a brand new class of ship either!
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Centurion_VarDin, being the geek that I am, I checked whether BOTF does use the Class name as the name of the first ship.
The answer, is that it does NOT give the first ship of a class the name of the class. (Does that make sense?)
It DOES have the name of that class in the ship name file, but BOTF assigns the name randomly, so it is pretty hit and miss. There is one exception though, and that is the Constellation class. The name Constellation is NOT in the name list!
The same applies with the other races, although there are only a few classes (Such as the B'rel and the K'tinga) that can have a ship with the same name as the class.
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13 Oct 2005, 10:05 |
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SonOfMogh
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Joined: 20 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 690 Location: UK
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The reason Constellation doesn't exist is it shares a batch of names with the Defiant. You'll also find there's no USS Defiant either.
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13 Oct 2005, 10:30 |
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sideeffect
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005, 01:00 Posts: 38
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The defaint wasnt the class of the ship the class was called Escort. Or Heavy Escort
The USS intrepid wasnt a Intrepid class ship either i dont think. It predates the Intrepid class.
I think any ships that are named the same as a class of ships predate the class and are different vessals.
I voted for Norexan
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13 Oct 2005, 12:53 |
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iwulff
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Joined: 18 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 884 Location: Germany
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what about the galaxy, sovereign, nebula? The defiant was called Heavy Escort but could also have been called defiant class between officers, because the Federation didn't want an official warship. Don't know about the intrepid...
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13 Oct 2005, 12:56 |
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sideeffect
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005, 01:00 Posts: 38
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There was no galaxy class ship named Galaxy. Or the other 2 clases to be honest. The ships named those names predate the class design.
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13 Oct 2005, 12:58 |
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iwulff
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sorry but the first galaxy ship, was the uss galaxy.
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13 Oct 2005, 13:00 |
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sideeffect
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Joined: 29 Sep 2005, 01:00 Posts: 38
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Where does it say that? It wasnt in any of the shows.
Ok i found a site saying about it and the battles it was in. Dont remember it being mentioned at all in any shows.
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