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| Author: | UnDated [ 23 Oct 2005, 01:13 ] |
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| Author: | jigalypuff [ 23 Oct 2005, 01:43 ] |
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| Author: | skeeter [ 23 Oct 2005, 02:19 ] |
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| Author: | CornMaster [ 23 Oct 2005, 04:18 ] |
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| Author: | ikeNewbie [ 23 Oct 2005, 04:38 ] |
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| Author: | Eon_Janus [ 23 Oct 2005, 04:48 ] |
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| Author: | daveprc [ 23 Oct 2005, 08:07 ] |
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| Author: | Adm_Willie [ 23 Oct 2005, 09:00 ] |
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| Author: | TrekBoyChris [ 23 Oct 2005, 09:18 ] |
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| Author: | iwulff [ 23 Oct 2005, 09:32 ] |
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| Author: | DanielClaton [ 23 Oct 2005, 10:31 ] |
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| Author: | Adm_Willie [ 23 Oct 2005, 10:57 ] |
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| Author: | Captain_Billy_Bacon [ 23 Oct 2005, 12:19 ] |
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| Author: | Centurion_VarDin [ 23 Oct 2005, 12:40 ] |
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About time travel: If you go back in time, you create a different time-line. Which is the flaw in every ST-episode regarding time travel. Even if you don't DO anything in the past, you alter time by your very existance there. This means that if you go back to your original time one of two things can happen: Either you return to your time in your OWN timeline (and thus you weren't actualy in the past since you where in the past of another timeline) and nothing you did or happened will affect anything since it didn't happen in your timeline. This is rather pointless.. Or... (and this is what supposedly happens in Star Trek) you return to your time in the Timeline of which you altered the past. BUT. This means you already exist in that timeline (since you have been born and all before you get back in your time). You never left, since you actualy came from another timeline. So now there are two persons which are you in the same time. This automatically means that you will never get back to your original timeline and thus just vanished there and whatever you set out to do won't happen there anyway. Bottom line: I think time travel is possible. But you cannot travel back and forth within your own timeline. Those events are set in stone. If you travel in time, you travel through different timelines and envoke the various conflicts stated above. This doesn't apply to ENT only. It applies to lots of episodes Voyager, it applies to the entire movie 'First Contact', etc. etc. Those things are plain impossible. I recall a famous Vulcan science director that has determined that "Time travel is impossible". This all doesn't mean the episodes and movies aren't fun to watch, though. I actually enjoyed the Temporal Cold War! Altough it was complete rubbish, it did't bother me or anything. |
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| Author: | Captain_Billy_Bacon [ 23 Oct 2005, 12:51 ] |
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| Author: | CornMaster [ 23 Oct 2005, 13:40 ] |
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| Author: | speeduk [ 23 Oct 2005, 14:28 ] |
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| Author: | TrekBoyChris [ 23 Oct 2005, 14:31 ] |
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| Author: | CVN-65 [ 23 Oct 2005, 14:51 ] |
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I'm curious, what did you think of the last episode? Did you go with all the sentimentality (all good things..., here's to the next generation... ect.) or did you just find it annoying? |
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| Author: | Captain_Billy_Bacon [ 23 Oct 2005, 15:30 ] |
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| Author: | Triclosan [ 23 Oct 2005, 17:21 ] |
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| Author: | Matress_of_evil [ 23 Oct 2005, 20:07 ] |
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Hey there, Triclosan, welcome to the site! Your rant is something that a lot of people with a bit of common sense have repeated many times before. The simple truth of the matter is that we trekkies do tend to get caught up in trek - that's why we're known as trekkies afterall! We can't help it! You're right about what Enterprise tried to achieve - attracting new fans whilst keeping the fans happy is an almost impossible task. The fans want big, arcing storylines with lots of background references and a timeline that 'fits'. The casual watcher however, wants big battles, lotsa weapons, an 'invincible' enemy, and loads of special effects. The stories have to be short and sweet, to the point, and have little or no references to past episodes/knowledge. Whilst you'll be hard pressed to find someone who would say no to a big space-battle, the rest of the points are very hard to put together into one storyline. Striking a balance should have been the ultimate goal of the producers, but ultimately, they got it a bit wrong - at least at the start. This turned some of the fans against it from the first episode, and from there on, it was downhill. These fans stopped watching it, (Without giving it a decent chance) and started saying how much they didn't like it, quoting only the broken timeline as their reason for doing so. Some people who might have missed the first episode(s) were likely put off by the comments about it, so they themselves never watched it. Then there are others who were basically brainwashed by those that didn't like it. By the time Enterprise started getting good, there were relatively few people watching it, and their voices were overcast by those that didn't. It's only now that it has been cancelled that people are realising what a big mistake they've made. As always, it is simply too late. People don't HATE Enterprise, they just misunderstood it, got too wrapped up in timelines and technology, and didn't give it the chance it deserved. |
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| Author: | TrekBoyChris [ 23 Oct 2005, 20:14 ] |
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To tell the truth all i've seem of the Final Episode are various snippits on tv and previews of it. "Here's To The Next Generation" made my stomach turn though. Thought that was lousy - a cheap was to finish |
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| Author: | dave [ 23 Oct 2005, 23:42 ] |
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| Author: | Centurion_VarDin [ 24 Oct 2005, 08:19 ] |
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| Author: | zahadoom [ 24 Oct 2005, 13:57 ] |
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i loved it too, good actors and i thought it really tied the other series in |
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| Author: | iwulff [ 24 Oct 2005, 19:08 ] |
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| Author: | Teleon [ 24 Oct 2005, 19:24 ] |
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| Author: | iwulff [ 24 Oct 2005, 19:41 ] |
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| Author: | Teleon [ 24 Oct 2005, 20:42 ] |
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