Does anyone know where i can find a 'canon' map of Federation space? Or at the very least an accurate one...

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Try this site: http://www.sttff.net/astrometricdatabase.html

Or i still like Star Trek Star Charts if you have the book

http://www.stdimension.org/int/

Heres one without the fictional Elorg and stuff

I can't offer a map any better than those two, but.. they both disagree on some key locations, I personally didn't think for some reason the Klingon's would've had to cross the entire Federation space from one side to the other to assist in the Dominion war.. I thought for some reason the Badlands and the surrounding DMZ (pre-dominion war DMZ anyway) was sort of an area where the UFP, Rom, Cardassians, and Klingons were all a stone throw away from.

Unless Michael Okuda has disemminated a map, then.. i wouldn't call it canon, just guessing. If its for the game instead of interest, I say look at both of those (mostly the second one), and do whatever best fits the game. don't break your back if placing one empire in one place is a problem -- as long as the Cardassians dont end up in the Gamma quad or somethin', it's close enough and not many other people to say otherwise

There are some very interesting ideas on how long it takes ship to cross Federation space. In most ‘Maps of Federation space’ the differences in the guesswork is massive. There are some very obvious flaws in some of them. For example:

Cardassian territory is very close to Klingon territory. This must be so, otherwise the Klingons would not have been able to sustain there invasion of Cardassia once the Khitomer accords were annulled. The Federation would not exactly sit back and allow fleets of Klingon warships to pass through their space unmolested. Also DS9 and the Defiant get heavily involved in the ‘border skirmishes’ that occur frequently once the Alliance is dissolved. So I think it’s safe to assume some kind of border is shared with Cardassian territory.

I think we can also assume that Cardassian space is not a million miles from Romulan space. Three things suggest this, firstly the speed in which the Romulans get a fleet to DS9 when they think the Dominion are coming. Secondly the pre-war pact that is formed to start a preemptive strike would require at least some close proximity in order to mass the fleet without arousing suspicion. Third is the lightening quick attack on the Dominion after the Ambassador is ‘assassinated’. In the first two instance a cloaked fleet would be an answer, but according to popular interpretation of ‘Trek’ space this would require a Romulan feet crossing the neutral zone and traveling through Federation space without setting off the Tacyon detection grid. And if another example is needed, there are the raids on Federation ships by the Dominion crossing through Romulan space. To quote Jadzia Dax, ‘why should the Romulans care if the Dominion is crossing their back yard to give the Federation a bloody nose?’

I would also suspect that Breen space was quiet close to Romulan space for obvious reasons. It is fair to say that the two races have had quiet significant contact at some stage. The ‘Old Romulan saying’ of ‘Never trust a Breen’ didn’t work its way into there society without some kind of force behind it. To accept the idea that the Breen are on the other side of Cardassian space whilst the Romulans are on the other side of Federation space is just too silly. I would even go so far as to suggest that a Romulan/Breen war may be a good explanation for the long absence of a Romulan presence indicated at the start of TNG. ‘Other matters’ kept them away indeed.

These are just some obvious examples I can think of.

Of course it’s so easy to think of things in 2 dimensions. The galaxy for the most part may be ‘flat’ but there is nothing to say that all the ‘blue’ areas of a map will belong to the Feds. There maybe quite a bit of overlapping on different levels creating multiple shared borders.

Also, not every system indicated by the blue area is controlled by the Federation. There are dozens of habited worlds within Federation space that are not affiliated in any way with them. One could safely assume that there may be areas of space, channels if you like, that pass right through Federation space from one side to the other. Through which any number of races may have traveled.


Some more interesting maps here: http://www.angelfire.com/nj2/startrek/

That all makes sense you have rely thought about this lol i always thought fedaration was close to romlulans because enterprise got close to romulus in the ENT serise and they cant have gone that far!

The problem is, that canoninical references to locations are so self contradictory that it is impossible to formulate a map that can be descrribed as anything close to accurate.

according to enterprise, q'onos is only four days away at warp five. various series throughout the franchise refer to federation borders with all of the rommies, klingons and cardies, as well as the breen. yet those same series will then refer to the breen/cardie, cardie/rommie/klingons all sharing borders as well.

picard states in first contact that the federation is encompasses roughly ten thousand light years of space - now even if that is a cubic measurement, it still makes the feds freaking huge, so to share borders with four races, three of whom also share borders with each other, would mean that all four empires are absolutely massive, and oddly shaped. even allowing for a 3d map.

Is it definite that Sol is on the border line between Alpha and Beta

I always assumed that Sol was in the Alpha Quadrant comfortably and its territory just flowed over.

I also assumed that the Klingons and Roms were in the Alpha Quadrant as well, but well I must be wrong

It will be interesting to see Gavin's Canon map

it is ant it! i always thought they were all in the alpha quad!

I believe its ‘canon’ that both the Romulans and the Klingons are majority Beta Quadrant races, but they do have territory in the Alpha Quadrant, something else that is also missing from these maps.

As Coop says it is fact that Sol is just a few light years away from the Beta Quadrant ‘Border’ as it were. We know that because we’re here. By that rational, Earth is surrounded by a Klingon/Romulan Alliance. Lol

I guess until Michael Okuda breaks out the 3D CAD package we’ll never know!

there is a book that came out in 2002 Star Trek Star Charts written by Geoffrey Mandel it is about the closest you are going to get to cacon. I would say to use some of the maps on the interenet are close to the maps in the book but alot of people mod them for their roleplaying.

I've got it, no matter what some people think. It is a good book and with no one being really sure what's exactly correct the book is pretty close

Space is three-dimensional.

It is entirely possible that in some parts of the galaxy for example, the Romulan and Klingon Empires are far away from the Cardassian Union but either above or beneath the map, they are in fact touching as well.
That the Klingon, Romulan and Cardassian Empires perhaps reach over or underneath the United Federation of Planets.

This is a very good point. I hate that most of the battles in the series' were done on a 2D plane. I know for simplicity's sake it was a safe way to do it but it has always bugged me

Well, the battles werent quite in a 2D plane.. it was 3D, but in the gay Armada 2 sense of 3D

Worth pointing out the spiral arms of our galaxy are like 1000 light years thick too.

As far as canon tripping all over itself, if you ignore 99% of Enterprise and about 30% of Voyager, while taking all of TNG and DS9 to heart, it'll make life sooo much easier The couple remaining problems aren't too hard to imagine away.. but going from Earth to Qo'Nos in five days at very very slow warp 5, with photon torpedoes and phase cannons just can't be explained -- Earth - Romulan war ships have been said over and over in the series, and especially in the books, that they were armed with nuclear missiles, paper thin shields and high-power lasers!

Come to think of it, that was the last episode I saw, where Archer was on a ruined future Earth with some agent from the future, and he started to pick up a book named Romulan War off a shelf and was like "Whats this?" Nothin', nothing at all....

Here is one of the pictures on this site, which seems to make sense. Romulan borders with Cardassia.

Thats how I imagined it in my mind, apart from for some reason I imagined it the other way round, like in a mirror

The Galactic Atlas

It's 1.1 meg though, so be warned...

Well as most maps that are shown are not very canon; due to the fact that they don’t put the narrowing of the spiral arm of the galaxy into the equation. So it is possible that the Romulan and Cardassain boarders touch as shown on the on map, but in a narrower boarder then depicted.

I think if you take in the idea that Klingon space might meet Cardassian Space under or over the Federstion (effectivly placing both over the feds) then the map makes more sense.

TBH thou, what i after to begin with was something showing Federation systems in Federation space, not easy i know.

You wouldn't be able to show 3D territory on the 2D map for BOTF 2 though

duh that map is appears simaler to Star Charts. I think most maps place the major powers in the same place though

btw, does any ship ever make it to the Taurus Dsrk Cloud?

Hmm.. Trill not in the federation, eh? Yeah, the worms told them to seceed I guess.. I can' remember if Trill fell during the war or not either though, but I knew Betazed did -- read the book, too.

Oh, and that one that showed the Hirogen -- they're nomadic! It was my impression they didnt even have permanent inhabited planets..

Most of these Star Trek planets, if not all, correlate to real planets.. and there's apps that let you zoom about the cosmos in 3D.. would it be acceptably 'canon' to someone use one of those (celestia, stellarium, both open source) and make a 3D map of Alpha & Beta quad empires? That's far behind my abilities, and I doubt would have any application in the game, but perhaps interesting anyway. I don't know what Qo'Nos and some of them are supposed to be, Vulcan is Epsilon Eridani, so Okuda/Roddenberry I figure must have picked real stars for some of the other key planets too, maybe.

Lol, i remember me creating this map... Anyway i forgot about the arms. And also this was a map i created in a short time, without much thinking. The Orion Arm (i think), where we are living is relatively small compared to others. We know that most part of the Federation lies in the Alpha quadrant, and that some space about (30?), lies in the beta quadrant. The Romulans and Klingons are in the Beta Quadrant, or for at least a big part. The Cardassians are probally in the Alpha quadrant. We have the breen who are probally somewhere behind the klingons and the romulans, and probally not very close to the cardassians. Also it's probally that the territory of the Federation is around 3 times as large as that of the Romulans or Klingons.

This is just what i think how it 'is'.

This is just me being a nitpicker, but I dont think we are in Orions Arm. The only reason i say this at all is because the third Titan book (not out yet) is suposed to have the Titan investigating Orions Arm, because no Federation ship has been there. I know you werent sure about it iwulff, and I'm certainly not sure about it, but usually the authors of these novels get their details right.

We are actually.

Third Titan book? Argh, I'm behind, only read the first.

Time to run to the bookstore.

Only bad thing about Federation space is while we know its relatively massive, we don't really have all that many planet names to fill it up with! And notice, the Cardassian Union, Klingons, Romulans have most their planets near the Federation border, because we havent had any contact with them deep within their space.

Imagine though if Cardassia was closer to the middle of its actual territory, instead of where it is. It's the difference between landing on the US East Coast and having to take D.C., versus landing on the East Coast and having to fight tooth and nail all the way to Vegas!

You say that from personal experience?