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Expect this to be worldwide news by the end of the day, as the worst riots in Australia since 1860 took place yesterday...
Quote: Thugs ruled the streets, and the mob sang Waltzing Matilda December 12, 2005 Damien Murphy describes what he saw in the middle of the Cronulla violence.
A BARE-CHESTED youth in Quiksilver boardshorts tore the headscarf off the girl's head as she slithered down the Cronulla dune seeking safety on the beach from a thousand-strong baying mob.
Up on the road, Marcus "Carcass" Butcher, 28, a builder from Penrith, wearing workboots, war-camouflage shorts and black singlet bearing the words "Mahommid was a camel f---ing ******" raised both arms to the sky. "F--- off, Leb," he cried victoriously.
It was one last act of cowardly violence on a sad and shameful day that began as a beach party celebrating a kind of perverted nationalism that was gatecrashed by racism.
A crowd of at least 5000 - overwhelmingly under 25 - took over Cronulla's foreshore and beachside streets. Police were powerless as 200-odd ringleaders, many clutching bottles or cans of beer and smoking marijuana, led assaults on individuals and small groups of Lebanese Australians who risked an appearance during the six-hour protest.
The horde swirled after fleeing individuals, sometimes sweeping past police lines and horses, chasing a quarry who sought safety in restaurants, shops, toilet blocks and ambulances and police vehicles. Some were snatched by police, who stood against the swarm and repelled the most violent with capsicum spray.
After a local man, "Steely", had led a chant of "F--- off, Lebs", a young man demanded the megaphone and told the crowd it was "racist". A bottle arced in from the audience and shattered on his forehead. He fled "like a bleeding rabbit", someone yelled after him.
Sometimes when a victim was cornered, the mob started singing Waltzing Matilda. Advance Australia Fair was similarly employed against obstructing police, and the usually good-natured "Aussie Aussie Aussie" chant in the mouths of the Cronulla crew assumed a menacing tone.
Yesterday's violence had been brewing for months. It came to a head last weekend when some Lebanese Australian men attacked members of the North Cronulla Surf Life Saving Club after they asked the visitors to stop playing soccer because it was disturbing other beach users.
"Steely" - who did not want to identify himself "for fear the Lebs will come and shoot up my joint during the week" - said his children had been scared by Lebanese Australians coming in from the western suburbs.
"I've got a four-year-old girl and a boy who's 11, and they see these bastards come here and stand around the sea baths 'cos their women have got to swim in clothes and stuff, or they see them saying filthy things to our girls," he said. "That's not Australian. My granddad fought the Japs to see Australia safe from this sort of ****, and that's what I'm doing today."
The word went out last week that the Shire boys would not take it lying down any more. Yesterday was shaping as a giant clash if Lebanese Australians came to run the gauntlet.
Cronulla has been an iconic surf suburb since the early 1960s, when the surfboard craze hit. It has a tribal surf culture shaped by violence and substance abuse.
Its first surfing hero, Bobby Brown, died after being sliced by a beer glass in a hotel in 1967.
Cronulla was the setting for Puberty Blues, the brutal book and film about girls growing up in the surf culture. Many of its surfing heroes have had difficult lives, not the least Mark Occhiluppo, who came back from virtual career oblivion to take the world surfing title in 1999.
Cronulla has long been the scene of battles with outsiders. The early 1960s saw pitched fights between "westies" and "surfies". Then, the media portrayed them as wars between teenage subcultures, but they always had an economic if not class element to them. It was a time when the White Australia policy still existed and nobody thought it was based on racism.
Things have changed. So yesterday "Da Boys" - the Cronulla locals - turned up early, and by 10am a party atmosphere was already evident.
Two-storey apartments were bedecked in bizarre bunting ranging from Australian and Eureka flags to "Merry Christmas" signs and Bundaberg Rum polar bear cut-outs.
On the streets, Australian flags fluttered on most cars, Cold Chisel and Men At Work boomed out of stereo systems and there were patriotic T-shirts with kangaroos, swear words and puns. Beer soaked everything.
Todd Russell, a concrete pourer from one of the apartments up the road from the riot site, was among the first to arrive and was giving away sausages cooked on a barbecue on the back of his ute, "to get everyone in the mood to be a real Aussie". He had put up a sign saying "No tabouli".
He was enthusiastically handing out brochures headed "Immigration out of control" and "Your teachers are lying to you" to passers-by."Don't know what this **** is, mate. It's just stuff. I agree with it, whatever it is," Russell said. "Look, these Lebs are coming here and giving us **** and we're not going to take it any more."
Behind him, John Moffitt of the Australia First Party was smiling to himself. He had been handing out political pamphlets to some of the flag and beer can-bedecked teenagers most of the morning and they were merrily distributing them to the committed, the curious and the repulsed. "This is a great day. Australia is now seeing what the policies of the last 30 years are reaping," Moffitt said.
Paul Wilson, a local accountant who wants to start a political movement he has called Sons of Anzacs, led the mob with a couple of megaphone chants but said he was disgusted at the abuse of Lebanese immigrants.
He said the protest was really just an extension of the sorts of things Pauline Hanson was warning about when she entered national life in 1996.
"Nobody listened to her really and look what's happened. Mind you, it's a shame that it came to this. I don't agree with the racist stuff. It frightens a lot of people off but it still a true reflection of what being a real and proud Australian is to many of us. You deny that, you're mad," he said.
The crowd's first likely target was sighted just after 11am. He copped a punch from a local before fleeing to the safety of the Northies hotel sports bar, where a police line stopped the hunters in their tracks and he was whisked from the building.
Over the next six hours there were sporadic outbreaks when the mob thought it spied a Lebanese Australian intruder.
Many in the melee took photographs on mobile phones as they contacted people to join the fray or just to check out the fun. "It's a ****er," said Michael Bedford, of Sylvania. "Shire forever."
As police tramped in quick-time from flashpoint to flashpoint, many in the crowd ridiculed their efforts. "Hup, hup, hup. Left, right, left, right. Sound off - that's right, dudes, go get 'em," a group yelled in unison, before showering police with beer.
At one point, thousands rushed up the hill to the Cronulla Mall and headed for the railway station, nearly a kilometre away, where two men were taken and beaten. Sated, the crowd returned to the beachfront.
While bedlam ruled, the North Cronulla SLSC did its best to ignore the unlovely spectacle, calmly continuing with the launching ceremony of a new surfboat, the Graham "Cashy" Cachia.
Meanwhile, down the beach, the Lebanese Australian girl's three male friends were being chased through apartments as her headscarf was being born off as some sort of souvenir. At the boat ceremony, a 13-year-old boy, a nipper with the club, turned from the boat to the noise swelling from the crowd north of the clubhouse.
"Get her!" he yelled. On his bare back were the words in black felt pen: "We crew here. You flew here."
The Howard Government now has blood on its hands. You can't play the politics of fear and then be surprised when scared people lash out...
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12 Dec 2005, 14:44 |
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Scatter
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according
to our pm
this
was not
fueled by racism!
heh, i like this sequence too:
GET HIM!
Wait, you're arresting me!?!?!?*
*One of the articles states that the guy was being lead away for his own protection
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12 Dec 2005, 14:45 |
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silvercliff
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i was watching the news on this, and a few things bothered me. for a start there was a scene when 7 or 8 police officers were being chased by a group of people. now why are our law enforcers on the run? when there is a riot in progress, the mob should be dissapated. i say bring on rubber bullets, tear gas and so forth.
this is just another confirmation for my option that people suck, and the more people involed the more they suck.
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12 Dec 2005, 14:58 |
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Scatter
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they were on the run because they were woefully outnumbered.
5000 > 200. armed or not.
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12 Dec 2005, 15:15 |
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silvercliff
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no the shot i saw there was no even 30 people chasing the police. but even so they should never of been able to be outnumbered so bad. this was building up for a week, and the police knew that something was going to happen.
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12 Dec 2005, 16:11 |
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Centurion_VarDin
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silvercliff wrote: this is just another confirmation for my option that people suck, and the more people involed the more they suck.
lol
But serious, why were there only 200 officers dispatched to deal with the problem. And from what I saw they weren't even SWAT-like officer, but just the average traffic-control policemen.
Were these riots underestimated at first? Or how the hell could this escalate this bad?
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12 Dec 2005, 16:20 |
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colione
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Scatter your not near this crap are you?? Don't make me come over there to protect our precious writter 8O
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13 Dec 2005, 10:08 |
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Scatter
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"near it" is a matter of perspective i guess...
in the uk, i'd be half a country away. in australia, i'm on the opposite side of a city.
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13 Dec 2005, 14:31 |
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Matress_of_evil
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The other side of the city?!
Somebody save our writer!
(Yes, I did steal it from CVN, but I made it for him anyway)
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13 Dec 2005, 16:28 |
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TrekBoyChris
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Saw it on the news last night. That's bloody horriffic. In this day and age that shouldn't be happening. Just attacking people is blatantly wrong. It's the same as Paris and Birmingham (UK) but seemingly completely unprovoked
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13 Dec 2005, 18:12 |
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Romulous
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I've always said; multiculturalism dosen't work, why would it? They've had these problems in france and now Syndey.
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13 Dec 2005, 18:27 |
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Centurion_VarDin
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I fail to see any reason why it shouldn't work. In the Netherlands we have it for decades and although there is still lots of room for improvement, people from all over the world live here in peace with each other.
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15 Dec 2005, 12:15 |
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iwulff
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it won't work, because people with different views just can't cooperate. Sure for some time it will work, but then at a certain time an outburst comes, like we had in the nederlands with van gogh, and now this stuff in australia. I would say this from my religious view that no one is doing anything good by assaulting others. I think most people see this as an sport, they think it's cool to bash someone's face or attacking minorities with a big group (oh what r u brave!).
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15 Dec 2005, 12:41 |
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silvercliff
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too true iwulff. if i could, i would get off this rock and live on the moon
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15 Dec 2005, 13:15 |
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Romulous
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iwulff wrote: it won't work, because people with different views just can't cooperate.
I agree with this.
"multicultural" societies aren't actually multicultural, they have a culture made up of elements of various cultures. Since a culture is a effectivly a group of people who agree on doing things a certain way and not doing things another way then there's always going to come a point where different cultures disagree with how things should be done.
Some cultures like Japanease and Chinnease cultures try to preserve their cultures by having there own communities like China town. This works pretty well as it's much less common to see racism against those groups as it is against groups who try to mix in more.
"Multiculturism" is nothing new it goese back to the time of the Roman empire. When the Romans conqured a new territory (possibly containing a different culture) they wanted to maintain control of it. This was done by giving the inhabitants citizenship and giving them some freedom to practice there own culture. Had they not done this and only tollerated one culture people would have been more likely to rebel. So thats it realy governments "tolerate" different cultures so members of those cultures will all pay taxes instead of forming there own factions.
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15 Dec 2005, 17:09 |
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skeeter
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UK has multicultural society. Blacks and white and asian and indian and whatever else.
Been like this for awhile. Though i dont disciminate really i do wish some other countries where as acceptable as the UK so they could go to there places as well rather than only the UK as its soft on getting people to be part of the UK.
Btw since this is a political thread im gona watch it closly as these can get out of hand quickly so.. On your best behaviour all.
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15 Dec 2005, 17:40 |
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TrekBoyChris
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lol The UK Accpetable? If you have lived any where near Birmingham like i do then you'll know that people of different ethnic backgrounds don't get on well at all half the time. Yes there are those (and the majority) who will treat these people like they would treat any other but with the rise in gun crime it's aparant that things are not getting better
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15 Dec 2005, 18:07 |
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skeeter
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Yeah there are a few small places like bermingham that arnt as acceptable to multiculture. But thats been going on for a long time. But most of the UK is acceptable well least up here in NE. True there are some raciest crimes every so often but nothing serious or often as other countrys i think.
I supose it all ocmes to down to a local community of where you live. Sometimes there open and nice sometimes there not and like to keep things the way they always have been.
My point being though is that the UK is one of the better places for refugees and people from overseas to come to. Sometimes though they do open the doors too much sometimes.
But in the end. In the future the whole world will be multicultural as every year more and more people go to other countries to live, for moving because of a new life to start, fear from the country there in presently and also for jobs or to be with someone.
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15 Dec 2005, 18:26 |
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Romulous
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Skeeter wrote: UK has multicultural society. Blacks and white and asian and indian and whatever else.
As long as you don't plan on flying the Union Jack or putting up CHRISTMASS lights then you'll be fine.
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15 Dec 2005, 18:28 |
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skeeter
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Well you can do either, as long as the people of different cultures are tollerent and know everyone has their own way of celerbrating things. I mean just let people celerbrate or worship whatever they want just dont argue about such things and all will be fine.
But in reality that aint gona happen any time soon.
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15 Dec 2005, 20:12 |
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Romulous
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Skeeter wrote: Well you can do either, as long as the people of different cultures are tollerent and know everyone has their own way of celerbrating things.
But they aren't tollerent. There are serveral local councils in the UK who aren't putting up Christmass decerations, they're putting up winter celebration decerations (or whaterver the current PC terminology is). There have been people asked to take down the Union Jack, there was even talk about having it removed from taxi cabs.
On a more serious note, some time ago there were some news stories about "honour killings" going on in the UK. These are as much a part of some cultures as anything else. Obviously british law and culture dosen't allow killing so this aspect of some cultures cannot be tollerated. So it seams that even people who try to tollerate other cultures will not tollerate those cultural traditions that they find objectionable.
I'm not trying to say that any particular culture's way of doing things is right/wrong, better/worse only that they are different and offen incompatible. To each his own, in his own area.
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15 Dec 2005, 20:28 |
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TrekBoyChris
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That kind of thing really freaked me out 'honour killings' like those ritual killings.
The only way everyone will respect each other is by long hard work and it won't happen in our lifetime i'll wager
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15 Dec 2005, 20:44 |
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skeeter
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Didn't know about the decorations or flag thing. Never saw a flag on a taxi before.
Well xmas decorations should be ok really i mean its for anyone its not for any particular group its just a bit of fun. Xmas is in 2 parts really and one can be considered religion (birth of jesus) and then there is the 2nd part (santa and teh prezzies) which is totally not religious as it is just a fable of a guy called saint nicholous who gave kids free presies on a particular day to make the kids happy. True theres more to santa story but thats the jist of it.
I mean if we dont mind people doing chineese xmas which is different and later then why cant people accept the universal xmas stuff?
If it offends people then what the hell are they there where the decorations are at or partys and such. Just go home instead. I mean come on an angel is jsut a angel on a xmas tree its not specific to any religon its just a angel. Star is a star.
Ah well thats me done with this discussion as i just remmebered why i hate these political threads. As most of the time they are just arguments waiting to happen. So.... All i will say is keep it clean and try not to get too serious with it. I hope i haven't. If i have im sorry.
Im off to bed now im knackard and ill. Cya all tomorrow or somit.
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15 Dec 2005, 21:08 |
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sideeffect
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Centurion_VarDin wrote: I fail to see any reason why it shouldn't work. In the Netherlands we have it for decades and although there is still lots of room for improvement, people from all over the world live here in peace with each other.
So you aleady forgot about Theo van Gogh and the violence that proceeded that? I have a few dutch friends and it got quite nasty this time last year in certain areas. Also in England there are race war all the time. In Germany they were just having problems with eastern europeans and Germans also.
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17 Dec 2005, 04:25 |
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silvercliff
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i have no problem with allowing cultures to be expressed in contries other than its home, but those who move into another country have to acknowlege local law and custom over their own beleifs.
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17 Dec 2005, 09:35 |
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Mentat
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Well, its not the question if mulitcultural societies can or can't work, I guess.
At our times, they must work!!! The alternatives wouldn't be very funny, believe me.
I also disagree to bring down the problem solely on the level of cultural and ethnic differences. The entire conflict, that we face at our time, is much more related to social disparities and the power of "fear".
One of our Aussie colleges perfectly stated, what kind of regime is in power there: Fear.
Taking europe for example: what kind of Problems do the people have here? Is it segregation, instead of integrating migrants? Yes
But how do we explain situations like in France?
Were the riots there just based on ethnic differences? Not really.
Its was nothing but an outcry of young people, that have no future perspective, since they simply have the stigma of second class people.
And was this so different from the Rodney King - Riots in L.A.? nope
The rodney king story was not just about blacks and whites in the US.
It was just aswell an outcry of the lowest social class in the US. A class that has not even yet earned the right to vote and use their civic rights.
So what is in play then? Its simple. Oligarchy! Thats how we rule today, we have the money and as such the power, everything else is ignored, until it makes his way uphill. And we wonder about riots. How sweet. And keeping the working class at bay with fear, ain't gonna work for ever.
A quite popular musician wrote once a song with the title:
A working class hero is something to be!
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michae1ange1o
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The human animal is racist, if your reading this your racist, you dont like to admit it but you are, it's genetic. encoded to the molecule in your dna, you are also a violant animal, its your basic instinct, you get irritated you kick the furniture or wall, you are something like 1% away from being an ape geneticaly and 5% from a banana, but you also have a brain with inteligence, unfortunately a number of the human race seem to prefer letting theyre gene's over rule theyre intelligence.
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17 Dec 2005, 16:47 |
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Centurion_VarDin
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If you think racism is in encoded into our DNA, I suggest you retake your genetics class, Michaelangelo. Though it is easy te say that so you have an excuse not to try and improve it.
The world has changed enormously since 9-11. And I certainly agree that the Arian (white) race has enormous difficulty in containing their violent and instinctive tempers. The murder of Theo van Gogh was an incident. Personally I even think it was a minor one. They arrested the shooter, he got sentenced to life and that should be it. The riots and violence against arabs afterwards were just rediculous (even more rediculous than the murder itself). It could be the proof you guys are right.
I just refuse to accept that. The fact that in the current world it is not the case doesn't mean it can't be in some point in the future. I am almost ashamed to live in this world or this country. If you look like an arab it is almost forbidden to have a bag, suitcase, or anything else with you or yuo are being arrested for 'acting suspicious'.
Mentat, I agree with you. These things will cease whenever the true problems in the world are solved. Poverty, desease, hunger. Those three are the base of everything else.
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17 Dec 2005, 17:47 |
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Romulous
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Quote: Well, its not the question if mulitcultural societies can or can't work, I guess. At our times, they must work!!! The alternatives wouldn't be very funny, believe me.
I have to disagree. It is multi-culturalism that is causing violance. Look at the cultures I mentioned earlier who do not embrace multi culturalism, they are rarely involved in violance. Another good example is saudi-arabia. When westerners go there to work they have special compounds where westerners live and things like alcohol are tollerated (this is not allowed in Islam and hence not allowed in saudi-arabia). So westerner's culture is kept isolated, it is not racist and it works well. Quote: If you think racism is in encoded into our DNA, I suggest you retake your genetics class, Michaelangelo. Though it is easy te say that so you have an excuse not to try and improve it.
I'm going to agree with michae1ange1o on this. It is accepted that human beings evolved to be tribal (because a tribe is more likely to survive then an individual) and developed a fear of those who are not in the tribe.
Because members of the same tribe likely shared many genes over time they would look alike and hence fear of outsiders would become fear of those who look different.
The behavior of our ancestors is why they survived while those with a different genetic disposition did not. While we should not let instinct override intelegence we should not discount what has worked in the evolutionary process for hundreds of thousands of years.
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18 Dec 2005, 07:48 |
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"In Itally for thirty years under the Borges there was warfare, murder, terror and bloodshed and yet they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo Da Vinci and the Renaisance... In Switzerland there was brotherly love. Five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
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you're just a big, dumb animal
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