I agree that Ent disrupted the timeline considerably... Indeed I got in a discussion with someone on this board that I have yet to finish.... And for this reason I would like to say "yes".

However, I want to be able to start from zero. I -want- to be able to start from pre-warp, let alone pre-tos. I wouldn't ask the developers to develop a pre-warp, nor even a pre-tos game if they didn't want to. Honestly, though, I want to start from scratch, from null. So, with that in mind, I have to say "no"... no matter what I want I felt about Enterprise.

(For the record, I enjoyed Enterprise, I just hated the timeline disruptions. Oh! And I thought Enterprise was a beutiful design... Though it seemed a design before its time.)

I said no because I loved Enterprise.....I dont seem to understand why it shouldn't be canon .......The model of the enterprise was great ......And may I ask Ares <<< have you ever seen the complete serie of Ent.......Alright some episodes where a bit flaw ...but it happens with every serie........

Some of these guys have already made models.....so why shouldn't we put them in the game.... And what matress_of_evil said ..you could mod them if you like .......The ships before TOS where very nice ships.....And from my oppinion they look even better than the ships from TOS ......

I'm sure i agree that i'd much prefer to wait and get a really good game with everything rather than it be rushed out

The more ships the better i say

Though it does add to the time it's going to take it's not like anyone here is'nt used to waiting

i also agree with everybody else. I personally liked ENT very much. And since the first time i played BOTF, i always wanted to be able to play a BOTF which would allow me to "start from scratch" (is that the right expression?) and use every ship possible from the Trek universe, which, despite the flaws and inconsistences it shows often on it's episodes, i happen to love very much.
my two cents here

yeah....The constitution kickt some as there even a vulcan ship didn't stand a chance......so I dont now where your talking about ares......the weapons of the NX look advanced but be resonable.......the constitution came 100 years after the NX......dont you think the constitution was a little bit better than the Nx .....And dont forget the nx had hull PLATING ....1 of the things the constitution didn't have......

and about the statement you said about the daedelus...that it was the first federation ship......your wrong ...the daedelus came after the nx .....at the time of the romulan war.....they built the ship with vulcan and andorian tech......so I wonder ...where did you get that information mate?

They should have made two different versions of Enterprise really - one for the casual watcher, and one for us.

If anyone's interested, a guy on the scifi-meshes.com website has created an NX-Constitution cross. It isn't completed, but it's a beauty of a design, and the concept art on the first page is exceptionally detailed.



(I think you have to sign up to the site to be able to see the work, but trust me, it's worth it. )

*Edit - Ares, your edit beat me at posting.

I know you think Enterprise just plonked itself in the middle of everything, but it's physically set before the other Treks. Therefore, it is the fore-runner of the non-Enterprise designs that we know of.

Yes, there are inconsistancies, yes, there are complete and utter mistakes. But such things were present in every other series if you look.

Enterprise is canon, whether you like it or not.

The Temporal wars can also explain - and create - some of the headaches that Enterprise is obviously causing you, such as missing races and whatever.

Subsequent Treks also explored further reaching areas of space - Enterprise essentially explored our backyard. That could also explain why we never hear of many of the races again.

I know fanfics aren't canon, which is what this discussion is circulating round, but this (Gigantic) fanfic "explains" a lot of stuff to do with the Temporal cold war and other inconsistencies in Trek. It's split into books, which can be found in these links (In this order)

I totally agree that they should have balanced it a bit more. BUT really they couldn't make it less like TOS. I mean 2 feet square button smashing with a big hammer?

Ares, there seems to be one point that you aren't getting - the Temporal war was a cold war - not a single shot was fired between ships!

The Temporal war was several different groups of races/individuals that tampered with the timeline. They were essentially doing what the Krenim Timeship did in Voyager, except the Temporal wars were about weakening (Or even destroying) their enemies in the past, so that the present/future would never happen.

In fact, that's also what the Borg did in First Contact.

As for the Database system, i'm in uni at the moment, so I can't check out this Database that you mention, BUT the game ALREADY has a Database; its gonna be the help system of the game, just like the research, intel, diplomacy and system screens in BOTF1, except in a more LCARS-style format, and with a LOT more info.

If you want a look, theres an old version of the Database available for download in the downloads section of the site. If you want a newer version of it though, I can send you version 1.02. THAT one isn't available for download.

Iwulff has been keeping any subsequent updates a secret though, so that's why it the downloads are considered old. I guess I shouldn't have given out the newer version so freely to people, else h might have trusted me more...

The final version of the Database will be part of the download of the game. As far as I know, we won't be getting any other sneak-peeks.

I owulnt mind a look at tht database MOE lol

As for ares man dont rely matter there good ideas just a little late thats all its just a matter of waiting for the game now...........................................................................................................................................................................

yeah don't worry. I think you will enjoy the game wheter the Nx is in or not.......and if you dont like it you can always mod it

and your suggesting to putt more ships in later, if im correct?But you must realise the federation has more ships than the other races and it wouldn't be realistic if the federation came with alot of models and the klingons not.
This must be a disappointment for you but your simple to late.....

Eh? You haven't got it Billy?

Hmm...you should have been one of the first people I sent it to...are you sure you haven't got it? I've been sending it to people for months now...

If I see you on MSN, i'll send it to you. You might not see me online tonight though, i'll be busy.