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dafedz
Supreme Architect
Joined: 20 Dec 2004, 01:00 Posts: 301 Location: Sol 3
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This is the proposed Tech Tree structure. I don't yet know how it will fit alongside Gavin's plans and how workable it is. But so far it's been done in accordane with the ship list/ship balancing and the Empire structure list (and Structure database).
Tech Tree File
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18 Jul 2005, 19:39 |
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Jarok
Ensign
Joined: 30 Jan 2005, 01:00 Posts: 165 Location: Lincoln, NE
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Very nice work!
I think that transwarp could have an interesting description, since it never did work; perhaps something like:
"The concept of a faster-than-warp drive system has been studied for many years. Unfortunately, the latest efforts at transwarp drive have been less than successful. However, the insights gained from the project have nevertheless allowed us to improve the power and efficiency of standard warp drive with the new theories in propulsion."
Will the tech tree be different in certain areas for different empires? For example, the Romulans developed the Artificial Quantum Singularity sometime in the early 2350's, the Romulans, Cardassians, and Klingons use disruptors rather than phasers, and the Dominion uses phased polaron technology. Any chance of mentioning these in their respective tech trees.
I don't mean change entire tech levels around in any way, just changing the names and descriptions of some of the breakthroughs for other empires.
Is that feasible?
Final idea: (And I promise this will be the last one on this topic....for now.
Will the Klingons and Romulans have a seperate cloaking technology research field, or will new cloaking devices be tied to computer, propulsion, and energy research?
That would be fine, so if say, those three areas reach a required tech level, you have the option of upgrading your ships' cloaking devices. That would be very, very nice....
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18 Jul 2005, 22:28 |
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Jarok
Ensign
Joined: 30 Jan 2005, 01:00 Posts: 165 Location: Lincoln, NE
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Any chance we could see the tech levels of all the empires' ships in a seperate chart that is easier for fools like me to follow?
Nice to see the Fed shiplist! If anyone wants help with ship descriptions, I'd be happy to pitch in!
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18 Jul 2005, 22:31 |
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Rigel
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 15 Nov 2004, 01:00 Posts: 538 Location: FL
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Whoa... quite a read. But it looks great, hopefully it works with what Gavin has planned.
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19 Jul 2005, 04:06 |
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dafedz
Supreme Architect
Joined: 20 Dec 2004, 01:00 Posts: 301 Location: Sol 3
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Well I don't know if it will be possible or not. I'd assume that each empire would be tied and linked into the same tree, same descriptions and everything. It's definitely a very good idea, and if Gavin could program a system with 5 different tech trees then by all means I say we do it. It wouldn't be too much of a problem to adapt the tree for each empire's known tech abilities, and planned tech abilities to run alongside their shiplists.
Actually we never did discover how transwarp affected traditional warp theory. We know for a fact that TNG/VGR era ships were more than twice as fast as TOS ships (Janeway said this), so a century of research effectively doubled the speed. But transwarp may have been a field study that was tried and attempted for many years. I didn't really want to say in the transwarp description that it had already failed, but was a new project that had gained a little ground already and was to be an ongoing project.
I will post the shiplists again soon. Also a master table of all ship strengths is nearly done.
Last edited by dafedz on 20 Jul 2005, 15:45, edited 1 time in total.
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19 Jul 2005, 14:21 |
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horadrim
Ensign
Joined: 02 Nov 2004, 01:00 Posts: 112
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looks great.
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19 Jul 2005, 18:40 |
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TrekBoyChris
Captain
Joined: 17 Jun 2005, 01:00 Posts: 1657 Location: USS Victory - NCC 362447
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Rigel wrote: Whoa... quite a read. But it looks great, hopefully it works with what Gavin has planned.
Yeah! What at compilation, someone should go on Mastermind and do knowelege of Trek
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19 Jul 2005, 18:50 |
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Matress_of_evil
Evil Romulan Overlord of Evil - Now 100% Faster!
Joined: 02 Dec 2004, 01:00 Posts: 7392 Location: Returned to the previous place.
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Very nice, Dafedz.
It's good to see that we can look at the tech tree now. It would be incredibly cool if there could be separate shiplists, but I don't see this as a neccessity.
I'd rather the game worked first...
Still...
<Fingers crossed>
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19 Jul 2005, 21:38 |
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CVN-65
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 21 Jan 2005, 01:00 Posts: 652 Location: HRVATSKA
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Great list dafedz, but I have a few questions.
How come you need, e.g. type 7 propulsion (Field Geometry) to build a type 7 farm? I see how it applies to universities (needed for their equipments) and plasma ractors (needed for field constriction)... I can find an explaination for anything EXCEPT farmers needing propulsion technology...
You didn't put the Orbeth in the tech tree. I hope it's in...
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20 Jul 2005, 15:17 |
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dafedz
Supreme Architect
Joined: 20 Dec 2004, 01:00 Posts: 301 Location: Sol 3
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Quote: How come you need, e.g. type 7 propulsion (Field Geometry) to build a type 7 farm? I see how it applies to universities (needed for their equipments) and plasma ractors (needed for field constriction)... I can find an explaination for anything EXCEPT farmers needing propulsion technology... Because, when you buy a system structure (such as a Type 7 farm) you need more than just the prerequisite tech alone (Bio-Tech) but tech 7 in ALL fields. This is how it worked in the first game as well. Take a look at the Object database for a run down of tech requirements for structures. Quote: You didn't put the Orbeth in the tech tree. I hope it's in...
You mean the Oberth Class? Yeh Oberth is in as the Surveyor II - and it's in the tree available at Tech 4.
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20 Jul 2005, 15:50 |
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CVN-65
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 21 Jan 2005, 01:00 Posts: 652 Location: HRVATSKA
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dafedz wrote: Because, when you buy a system structure (such as a Type 7 farm) you need more than just the prerequisite tech alone (Bio-Tech) but tech 7 in ALL fields. This is how it worked in the first game as well. Take a look at the Object database for a run down of tech requirements for structures.
that's not how it worked in the original BotF. Not in my BotF... In the original you needed
all tech 7 for the Type 7 University and Type 7 Databank.
For the type 7 Farms, Mass Replicators and Plasma Reactors you needed, respectively ONLY, tech 7 bio-technology, tech 7 construction technology and tech 7 energy technology.
So, again, why do farmers need propulsion, weapons, energy technology...?
And, missed the Orbeth
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21 Jul 2005, 11:08 |
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Martocticvs
Cadet
Joined: 16 Jul 2005, 01:00 Posts: 92 Location: England
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Yeah, playing a game right now - definitely only need the relevant tech to be able to build that structure... bio 7 = type 7 farm, etc....
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21 Jul 2005, 11:11 |
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xir_
Ensign
Joined: 17 Oct 2004, 01:00 Posts: 156
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really cool
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23 Jul 2005, 03:22 |
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ftranschel
Lieutenant
Joined: 25 May 2005, 01:00 Posts: 328 Location: Hannover, Germany
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Martocticvs wrote: Yeah, playing a game right now - definitely only need the relevant tech to be able to build that structure... bio 7 = type 7 farm, etc....
You mean... botf I, of course
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23 Jul 2005, 13:48 |
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CVN-65
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 21 Jan 2005, 01:00 Posts: 652 Location: HRVATSKA
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ftranschel wrote: Martocticvs wrote: Yeah, playing a game right now - definitely only need the relevant tech to be able to build that structure... bio 7 = type 7 farm, etc.... You mean... botf I, of course
Well, do you agree, ftranschel, that farms only really need bio-technology?
Yeah, it's like BotF, and it worked in BotF, so why not have it in BotF2?
Anyway, hope dafedz posts a reply soon
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23 Jul 2005, 14:47 |
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ftranschel
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Joined: 25 May 2005, 01:00 Posts: 328 Location: Hannover, Germany
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CVN-65 wrote: Well, do you agree, ftranschel, that farms only really need bio-technology? Yeah, it's like BotF, and it worked in BotF, so why not have it in BotF2?
Yes.
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23 Jul 2005, 15:09 |
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horadrim
Ensign
Joined: 02 Nov 2004, 01:00 Posts: 112
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Ye i dont really see why farms would need weapons or propulsion.
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23 Jul 2005, 15:29 |
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Rigel
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 15 Nov 2004, 01:00 Posts: 538 Location: FL
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They dont, and it should be changed.
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23 Jul 2005, 17:13 |
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jigalypuff
Jig of the Puff
Joined: 10 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 1305 Location: I wish i knew
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need propulsion for them tractors won`t they?
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23 Jul 2005, 17:36 |
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ftranschel
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Joined: 25 May 2005, 01:00 Posts: 328 Location: Hannover, Germany
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jigalypuff wrote: need propulsion for them tractors won`t they?
You just can't tell me a farm actually needs ftl-level propulsion
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23 Jul 2005, 17:45 |
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Rigel
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 15 Nov 2004, 01:00 Posts: 538 Location: FL
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ftranschel wrote: jigalypuff wrote: need propulsion for them tractors won`t they? You just can't tell me a farm actually needs ftl-level propulsion "Ensign, set the plows for warp 7."
"But sir, we have only researched up to propulsio level 6."
"Damn"
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23 Jul 2005, 18:14 |
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Jarok
Ensign
Joined: 30 Jan 2005, 01:00 Posts: 165 Location: Lincoln, NE
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_________________ "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Jean-Luc Picard, quoting judge Aaron Satie
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23 Jul 2005, 19:11 |
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CVN-65
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 21 Jan 2005, 01:00 Posts: 652 Location: HRVATSKA
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You two. I want to join the Federation Farming Core because of you guys.
See the galaxy.
Drive the tractor.
Repair the warp coil.
JOIN THE FARMING CORE
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23 Jul 2005, 19:52 |
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dafedz
Supreme Architect
Joined: 20 Dec 2004, 01:00 Posts: 301 Location: Sol 3
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Quote: For the type 7 Farms, Mass Replicators and Plasma Reactors you needed, respectively ONLY, tech 7 bio-technology, tech 7 construction technology and tech 7 energy technology.
So, again, why do farmers need propulsion, weapons, energy technology...?
Er, yeh Ok. My bad, lol. I'll make the necessary adjustments.
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23 Jul 2005, 21:02 |
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jigalypuff
Jig of the Puff
Joined: 10 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 1305 Location: I wish i knew
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CVN-65 wrote: :lol: You two. I want to join the Federation Farming Core because of you guys. See the galaxy. Drive the tractor. Repair the warp coil. JOIN THE FARMING CORE
corp not core i like being pissed and noticing stuff
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24 Jul 2005, 00:08 |
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Rigel
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Joined: 15 Nov 2004, 01:00 Posts: 538 Location: FL
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24 Jul 2005, 07:11 |
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CVN-65
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Joined: 21 Jan 2005, 01:00 Posts: 652 Location: HRVATSKA
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24 Jul 2005, 10:42 |
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Rigel
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 15 Nov 2004, 01:00 Posts: 538 Location: FL
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Oh boy, not to get tis thread too off topic (someone has to do it with moe on vacation). But I barely even remember making that ntpick last night. Its amazing how neat it actually looks, considering how sloppy drunk i was.
Another round of Romulan ale on me. Sure, they may be useless in everything else, but they make one hell of a drink.
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24 Jul 2005, 20:36 |
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CVN-65
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Joined: 21 Jan 2005, 01:00 Posts: 652 Location: HRVATSKA
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Never would have guessed something was wrong with you. Except the fact you made posts at 10am, Central European Time
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24 Jul 2005, 20:44 |
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Rigel
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 15 Nov 2004, 01:00 Posts: 538 Location: FL
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Well it was 2:11 am for me.
Thats nothing.
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24 Jul 2005, 21:39 |
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