I got quite interested about this after reading the othert thread....
looked around on the interent but couldnt get any info from fansites(im at work and dont want to get caught surfing) so could someone have a look and get me a web address. The first person to get one get a thank you from me!!

well i can tell you what i can assume will have happened. the fedaration continues to pump out ships more combat related rather than science to protect thier borders. i.e prometheus, akira etc.

also ST: nemisis happened after the dominion war. voyager returned home after the war with the new technologies which will no doubt be studied and added to federation 'warships' meanwhile its a time of peace with the federation klingon alliance holding fast.

unless anybody else knows different go with that ;P

I don't see the point in this. Unless there are any serious menaces in a reasonable reach of federation (to keep it clean: there are no), the federation will return to it's very own strategy of peaceful exploration of space, thus designing the new Luna-class explorers. Of course, there is no need to say this is only semi-canon, as no motiones pictures have been there yet. Though http://www.simonsays.com/content/featur ... re_id=2893 shows S&S has a Star Trek license, it *is* not canon. So all my assumptions have this predicate "presumeable", but there actually are no official sources, so this can be seen as the inofficial timeline after Nemesis.

I've been interested in that for a long time and i've never found any good sites. In Insurrection (2375) Picard mentions about Dominion negotiations and small skirmashes with allied forces. I'll try to find something for you

We'll really have to wait for the next canon addition (movie, etc) to know for sure.

In books, the Fed starts to realign the fleet towards exploration, and begins production of more dedicated explorers (Luna-class, etc.). Also, keeping the Alliance together is proving difficult, and a great deal of activity happens on DS9 itself.

Sources:
-post DS9 DS9 books: the 'Mission Gamma' series, 'Avatar' series, 'Unity', etc.
-'Titan: Taking Wing'
-'Articles of the Federation'

All are good books, but they are non-canon. Hopefully true canon will eventually suprecede or confirm this, but for now that's all we have. (I hope they change direction a little bit, they seem to have an unusual fixation with wiping Romulan civilization off the map, but that's just me. Great stories, though)

I have no clue about online sources, though.

That would make a good movie. Although its non-canon there is a online trek drama set after the Dominion Wars, and later on its very good.

http://www.hiddenfrontier.org

to be honest the federation are foolish not to be making more combat ships as something like the dominion could happen at any time and instead of rushing old miranda class ships back in to service to fight they might actually have some proper combat ships to fight with.

i don't know if you agree but if i was in that time period after the dominion war i know i would want some asurances i could be fully protected.

they can always have exploartion ships but they should make sure they have combat vessels also. its like the sona said 'they all smell the scent of death on the federation'

The Miranda's were crap! Most got destroyed and they were a waste of personnel and equipment

Actually that was *during* the dominion war, and none of the threads recalled at that point are any danger to the federation in 2379.

Sure, during the Dominion war, they were crap. But take into account they had been in service for about 80-90 years at the time.

Now correct me here please.. It was during the war or just after that the Klingon Empire had lost territory systems? Thusly were in a bit of a box do to dieing out as a race. (Too much for an OLD GUY ) to remember.

After DS9? I have search the net but not yet found anything. sorry

As Far as canon, I wonder about some of the info that is posted on a lot of web sites. Some of the info seems a bit.... hmmmm questionable.. at best to me.. But then I do not have the memory or information most of you have.

There was an episode where Ezri said the klingon philosophy was dying but nothing about lost systems or political muscle.. Sloan said that the klingons required 10 years to get back on their feet after the 3 wars they had fought over the last 4 years (including one period where they single handedly held of cardassian,dominion and breen forces outnumbering them 20/1)

theres 2 ways i can see this going, either the klingons get themselves back on their feet as a galactic power. With chancellor martok and "ambassador worf" at the head of the political order, restoring klingon order. Or the klingons downgrade to a major power like the cardassians have and (echoing britain after the 2nd world war) lose out politically and become permanent allies of the federation, eventually leading to their membership.

saying all that the next set of writers will undoubtably have their own ideas for the klingons, they might even change them completely! like Ds9 did for the ferengi...(personally i like ther klingons the way they are, but im willing to see some development too)

I can't see any point the klingons could come up with regarding "development" in cultural or polital cases. The dominion war was undoubtly the biggest conflict the alpha quadrant had seen for centuries, and the fact that the klingon empire not only survived, but gloriously won it shows the true warroirs their way is right. And, even as important as the fact of victory is that they fought shoulder-on-shoulder with the federation, which has truly endeepened their honourability and thus - their alliance.

Hmmm thanks... most interesting.....

What did the Frederation win/lose out of that deal?

Thats something thats definetly needs to be dealt with in any future incarnation. I think the quadrant SHOULD be far more evenly balanced after the dominion war. here it is as i read it as a percentage of the share of power (no of ships, economy etc etc etc)

ds9 first show
-Federation 35%
-Klingon Empire 30%
-R.S.E 25%
-Cardassians 10%

the klingons/ federation are highest due to their alliances benifits, klingons lower due to technological defficiences and civil war in TNG, R.S.E is low because of smaller empire, Cardassians lowest due to small empire and pull out from bajor

Then there were several events that changed all this before the dominion war even began, the federation were attacked by the Borg(first Contact), went to war for a year with the klingons and when the dominion did enter the alpha quadrant, lost significant influence diplomatically due to dominion treaties. The klingons went to war on two fronts, got whipped by the dominion and retreated from cardassian space and were damaged by a changeling infiltrator. R.S.E were quoted in ds9 to have a fleet that was in shambles. So heres how i think it should look

Dominion war beginning

-Dominion/cardassians 50%
-Federation/Klingons 35%
-R.S.E 10%

as the war went on both sides lost lots of ships etc, so while their capability is dropping the Romulans were not invloved (bit like the ol U.S, cant get to a bloody war on time) so when the romulans join their added fresh muscle tips the scales to about 60/40 in favour of the allies. The breen temporarily re swing the balance but once the torpedo is compensated for the balance roughly returns.

end of war

-federation 35% (due to huge losses such as those fleet disasters in the early months, occupied planets and the pre war squabbles with the klingons
-R.S.E 35% (only 1 year of fighting, and on the winning side, cant be too bad!)
-Klingons 25% (4years of wars, gowrons silly tactics and the way of the warrior has really taken the klingons down a peg)
-Cardassians 5% (now as influencial as the gorn, or the tholians)


however, having said all that, nemesis seems to have destoryed all that logic with the collapse of the romulan govt etc

there you go, some food for thought gents

Ye the Miranda's had been around for 80 years or so, why use them as most were destoryed which resulted in loss of lives and equipment. And like Mark_Campbell said the quadrant would have been a lot more equal than before. Maybe thats why Schinzon chose that time to launch his attack?

Actually Shinzon started his attack because he was dying and needed picard's "dns-refresh".

Alrighty top cadets!

what caused the Klingon Empire to "collapase on it'self, thusly making so weak? A double war?

fill me in.... I am loving this...!

I thought Shinzon would've attacked anyway, but the presence of Picard was just a beneficial side effect! He hoped to kidnap Picard, kill him, get the bio-technobabble, and then get on with destroying Civilization As We Know It.

As for the Klingons, they are militarily decimated by the extra conflict they have endured, but their power structure is intact, unlike the Romulans. Their economic recovery will take a long time, but I don't think they have any threats at the moment.

The Romulans are currently the second most powerful of the Alliance, but have no governmental cohesiveness, and cannot present a unified front against anyone, post Shizon. In the latest books, there is even a question about whether the Star Empire will continue to exist much longer, rather than undergoing a process of breakup, civil war (with likely Klingon involvement), and reformation, perhaps as something entirely different. The resultant could be more unpleasant than ever, or the Federation's new 'bestest friend ever', depending on who wins.


Interesting books, unfortunately none of it is canon!

Ye, or maybe Rick Berman and Brannon Braga thought it would be good to set it then, but Schinzon would have found it more difficult when the federation had a lot more ships

What? HUH?

This has me all lost....

I vote that we, as real trek fans, all decide to completely ignore ST Nemesis. That movie brought nothing of any merrit to the trek franchise.

If anyone actually thought it was a good movie, take a look at this. Its just a spoof, but it truly makes more sense than the movie ever did. Just to let it be known, the link contains some profanity, so if your easily offended... well dont look I suppose.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Nemesis/Pictorial-1.html

I thought the Battle scenes were excellent apart from that it was mediocre

Oh and that site is great Rigel

thats almost as bad as the finale of Enterprise when the crew say "heres to the next generation"

i normally hold back on the BB bashing, but when you add them all up you really begin to think that they are deliberatly sabotaging trek.

That film was hideous. I watched it again the other day, just to give it another chance... WTF did I bother?

i love that spoof!!! NEARLY as good as BOTF 2:p

Star Trek Illustrious happened after DS9...

so in short, whats happening with the universe in this series (actually not in short tell us as much as you can!) I no its only fanfic but better than no fic!
so?

Wow! I had forgot to go see it at the theathers , and then forgot to even
rent it on video. I watched the blooper reel.. Excellent work there.

That saved me a whole $2.00 !! Thanks.