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Jarok
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C-3PO is easily scrap, from either party.
So would ONE or possibly TWO Borg drones from the Cylon. But any more and any Cylon is SOL. Resistance is Futile!
Remember that even though Picard disengaged the holodeck safeties, the 'bullets' were still force-field projections of the holodeck, and NOT real projectiles. The Borg didn't have time to adapt to the energy patterns. If bullets are the 'magic bullet' against the Borg, why isn't Starfleet arming themselves with TR-116's[1] on every ship?
Stopping real bullets would only be a matter of deploying their personal shields. Their shields apparently adapt to whatever weapon is used on them. (phasers, etc). Although for whatever reason they are less effective hand-to-hand, if there was some real vulnerability to Borg personal shields to projectile weapons, Starfleet would be crankin 'em out (see above). Contrary to commenly held belief, it is difficult to believe that Starfleet is that incompetent! So either everyone in Starfleet is an idiot, or there is an actual reason they don't use bullets! Picard took the Borg off guard and got lucky. A Cylon might not be so fortunate.
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[TR-116 comes from 'Field of Fire', a DS9 episode mentioned later in the thread by cdrwolfe. Thanks, btw]
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24 Aug 2005, 20:19 |
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Rigel
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Joined: 15 Nov 2004, 01:00 Posts: 538 Location: FL
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Well, the reasoning behind using phasers instead of guns for handheld weapons comes from the same reason you wouldnt fire a gun in a submarine, you wouldnt want to accidently have the bullet ricochet, and hurt someone, or possbly breach the hull. If there was a stray shot with a phaser inside a ship, it would hit a wall, and make a scorch mark, whereas a bullet might pass into someones quarters, and possibly hit them, or hit a critical system. It could also concievably pass through the outer hull. Maybe not on one of Starfleets 'current' ships of the line, but on ships with Enterprise or TOS tech, I could see it happening. And no, I didnt just make this up, its in one of the Star Trek tech manuls.
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25 Aug 2005, 17:11 |
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The_Logical_Man
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Joined: 16 Apr 2005, 01:00 Posts: 49 Location: Kling, Qo'noS
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Also, guns with bullets lack that all important stun setting
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25 Aug 2005, 22:32 |
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UnDated
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Joined: 29 Jun 2005, 01:00 Posts: 259
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plus it takes away from the dramatic effect of the borg if all u have to do is shot them with a bb gun in the eye,,,
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25 Aug 2005, 23:14 |
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cdrwolfe
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Joined: 18 Jul 2005, 01:00 Posts: 1001
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Projectile weapons do exist, remember one was used in DS9 by a Vulcan to kill people. the bullet was "teleported" in but still a bullet none the less.
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26 Aug 2005, 13:21 |
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TrekBoyChris
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The only guns i've seen in trek was when Picard shoots tonnes of Borg in the Holodeck with Lily in First Contact.
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26 Aug 2005, 16:11 |
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The_Logical_Man
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Tonnes being 2?
The DS9 episode "field of fire" we see the gun with transporter bullets.
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26 Aug 2005, 16:54 |
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Rigel
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Joined: 15 Nov 2004, 01:00 Posts: 538 Location: FL
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Ok, in the TNG episode 'The Finest Duty' Wesley and his academy buddies attempt a maneuver in a training excercise, with some bad results.
1. What was the name of the maneuver?
2. What made it so dangerous?
3. What was the name of Wesley's squad?
4. Who was that squads leader?
5. And which semi-famous ST gardener makes an appearance in this episode?
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26 Aug 2005, 18:20 |
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Abbs
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Joined: 12 Aug 2005, 01:00 Posts: 60 Location: England
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1) The Kolvoord Starburst
2) It involves flying in a *very* tight formation at high speed and the igniting of plasma trails
3) Nova Squadran
4) Nicholas Lacarno
5) Boothby
Rwar.
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26 Aug 2005, 19:04 |
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TrekBoyChris
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Is it a TNG episode where there's some Cadets in a shuttle near Saturn and one of the ships gets destroyed and someone dies? Or is that the same episode?
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26 Aug 2005, 19:17 |
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Abbs
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That sounds about right. I think it was called 'The First Duty'. Its basically a Weesley Crusher episode where the Cadets try and cover up the death but get found out. Interestingly, Robert Duncan McNeil (Tom Paris from VOY) played Locarno.
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27 Aug 2005, 22:13 |
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TrekBoyChris
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Thats the one, thanks
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27 Aug 2005, 22:58 |
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Jarok
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Joined: 30 Jan 2005, 01:00 Posts: 165 Location: Lincoln, NE
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Rigel wrote: Well, the reasoning behind using phasers instead of guns for handheld weapons comes from the same reason you wouldnt fire a gun in a submarine, you wouldnt want to accidently have the bullet ricochet, and hurt someone, or possbly breach the hull. If there was a stray shot with a phaser inside a ship, it would hit a wall, and make a scorch mark, whereas a bullet might pass into someones quarters, and possibly hit them, or hit a critical system. It could also concievably pass through the outer hull. Maybe not on one of Starfleets 'current' ships of the line, but on ships with Enterprise or TOS tech, I could see it happening. And no, I didnt just make this up, its in one of the Star Trek tech manuls.
Depends on the setting of the phaser. I find it really hard to believe that bullets pack any more punch than a phaser set higher than stun! Ricochet is a risk, but more for the targets, and probably about the same overall risk as wearing a yellow shirt in a 'repelling boarders' situation!
I suppose that the risk in TOS is very real, as you said, but by the movies and later, forcefields have been developed to deal with hull breaches relatively quickly. I also can't imagine hull materials not improving over that time as well.
EDIT: I wish I could insert this messasge farther back in the discussion....
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28 Aug 2005, 17:47 |
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TrekBoyChris
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I don't think thats a good idea! A Phaser higher than stun would hurt a lot, a couple notches up and your dead
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29 Aug 2005, 21:21 |
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Jarok
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_________________ "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Jean-Luc Picard, quoting judge Aaron Satie
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30 Aug 2005, 03:20 |
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TrekBoyChris
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You wouldn't even know about your whole day
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30 Aug 2005, 12:13 |
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Jarok
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But seriously, folks....Any trivia ideas?
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01 Sep 2005, 08:44 |
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Rigel
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Joined: 15 Nov 2004, 01:00 Posts: 538 Location: FL
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Jeez people, cant y'all think of some questions? Well, heres one.
In the DS9 episode (cant remember the episode name, but it is the episode that comes directly before "The Die is Cast') Bashir tells Garak the story about the boy who cried wolf. Garak came up with a different interpretation of the story than did Bashir, what was it?
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03 Sep 2005, 17:10 |
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skeeter
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Joined: 22 Apr 2005, 01:00 Posts: 1527 Location: UK
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Which episode in DS9 did the actor who played Tuvok in Voyager appear. And what was his character in ds9 for bonus points
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04 Sep 2005, 10:05 |
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TrekBoyChris
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Uh-Oh, DS9 is not my strong point! All i know about Tuvok is that he's played by Tim Russ and he's TO onboard Voyager and appears in ST-Generations as TO (i think)
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04 Sep 2005, 11:00 |
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Rigel
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Dont know about the Ds9 episode, but how about naming the episode of a Tim Russ appearance in TNG. Bonus points for what he, and the group he was with were trying to do.
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04 Sep 2005, 20:37 |
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Mark_campbell
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004, 01:00 Posts: 100
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The episode with the barium sweep on the ship, his group (whos name if they had one escapes me) tried to steal stuff from the warp core, probably anti matter (you can tell i didnt google this) Tim Russ was part of the group, and picard bagged him in a duke nukem style killing spree... very starfleet
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04 Sep 2005, 23:25 |
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Rigel
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I just saw the episode the other day, they were after trilithium resin, which the warp core makes as a byproduct, to use as explosives.
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05 Sep 2005, 18:59 |
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Abbs
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Skeeter wrote: Which episode in DS9 did the actor who played Tuvok in Voyager appear. And what was his character in ds9 for bonus points
He played the mirror universe version of Tuvok in "Through the Looking Glass". He only said a couple of lines, as a member of the Rebellion fighting against the ebil Alliance.
And here's another question along the same lines:
Which four DS9 regular characters appeared in the Next Generation?
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05 Sep 2005, 23:23 |
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Mark_campbell
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004, 01:00 Posts: 100
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Got them
bashir
worf
o`brien
dukat (played a romulan commander in an episode, the one with the cryogenically frozen people from the 20th century)
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06 Sep 2005, 03:10 |
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Mark_campbell
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ohh wait i just re-read your question, dukat never appeared in character, 4 th ones got me
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06 Sep 2005, 03:11 |
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Matress_of_evil
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The fourth one is Quark. Haven't got a clue what episode it was, but I remember him being up on the viewscreen.
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06 Sep 2005, 10:10 |
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ftranschel
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Quark did not appear in a ST movie. He appeared at least one time in TNG:
- When the Enterprise was searching for L'ursa and B'Thor (TNG: Firstborn)
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06 Sep 2005, 12:28 |
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Rigel
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In the TNG episode where they first introduce the ferengi, (you know, the one where the ferengi jump around and act like monkeys) the actors who play Quark and Rom are two of the three ferengi there.
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06 Sep 2005, 18:29 |
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Abbs
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Quark, Bashir, O'Brien and Worf is right
Matress and Mark got them in a joint effort
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07 Sep 2005, 16:02 |
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