Re: Everyone. I've really enjoyed this thread. I never expected to change anyone's mind and I haven't taken any comments personally.

This has been fun but I've had my full of this thread. I've enjoyed reading the views and opinions of those overseas. It has been enlightening. I enjoy a good, sensible debate but this thread seems to have degraded to the nonsensical rantings of tielee which isn't worth the time.

So I announce my retirement ... from this thread. If anyone has any questions or comments for me on this topic feel free to PM me. Now it's time for less debating of politics and more debating the number of torpedo launchers on the Akira.

Anyone watched Bowling for Columbine?

Hi'a kids.... I'm baccccccccccccck! No I was not in Katrina.... I was fighting medical problems as well as trying to learn a new LOW PAYING JOB!.

"America what a country"

What a counrty indeed. A Superpower were called. Hmmmm. We were a superpower...... about the 1930's and 40's. Now.... We are Rome falling and Nero is playing his fiddle hard. I respect all of the posts from everyone around the world.

Now Lets get to the true meat. I was born and live in the U.S. I think I'm about the oldest American on this site at 43 years old. I have seen the history you all are talking about. I lived through it as it happened.

Yea America "Saved the world" America has also led the way in the total distruction of life on our little planet. This is fact.


Think on this.. It is said every country on our tiny planet has Rose and fallen from thier own interior. America has not yet had that happen so it is said. That is a half truth.

I agree with most of all of you on most aspects of what you have posted. I do have a "Bone " to pick with my Government, but not just them, also the french, the English, Spain and Portugul.

From my point of view, it is way different then the rest of you. Being that I'm Indian, ( Choctaw and Hopi ) I carry a resentment that was born during my fathers, fathers, fathers, fathers time. It was ingrained in me. The
U.S. is the only country in the world that still holds it aborginal peoples in emcampents, (or being bluntly) prisions. It is also the only counrty that still has on it's doctrines a LAW that calls for the total annialation of these peoples.

Yet none of you know about this. Through the aftermath of the Hurricane(s) Not one person ever asked how the natives faired after Katrina did it's damage. In Louisianna there are 7 Rezervations that were right in the path of this storm... The Government has said nothing, done nothing, nor as the media. 4 of those areas are now gone. No longer on the map. Yet no one looks. It is not talked about. The American government is a joke!!!!!!! The state officals in Louisianna, Mississippi, Georgia, and Florida, have done and said nothing for the Indian peoples.

Truth. American Indians are the biggest minority in our hemisphere. Also the most ignored unless there is oil, gas or urainium on the lands that they live. Then they are forced moved.

This countries, government and business's are all about greed. Also involved or every other major government the world over. How so you might ask? Easy.. It is called "Trading" via stocks, bonds, ect.


The basic peoples, ( you and I) the world over, are but pawns who are cought up in all this crap.

All of you.... From England, Germany, Ireland, Wales, and about 100 other countries who come here. You all are young. Bless you all for that.

American Government has helped and in the same aspect hindered every person the world over. but they are not only to blame.. Each persons government has played a part as well. It is the way of greed.

I feel bad for all of you. As you are all trapped by this mess that was created hundreds of years before any of us were even born...

I do prayer everyday for all the peoples of the world who lost there lives, due to one issue or another. It is my way.

I also curse every government for allowing anything to happen to it's peoples, when they could have taken a better path to save them.


I also blame myself... For not doing more then I can. For not trying hard enough to help others. For not shedding more of my own blood to keep others alive.. I am but 1 person... but I know I can do more, even in my crippled state of body.....

I must do more.....

i can understand the historical references your making here. Recently ive done a lot of work on the origins of the European powers and the settling of North America and i know its the native nuts in the vice from day one. It`s truly shameful stuff and no-one can sensibly look on it any other way.

And the state of affairs today is no better i agree, im not from America, do u know the only thing i have heard in any medium of broadcasting about modern native americans my whole life is Indian Gambling Casinos- thats it, and that was from a family guy episode. I have to search for traces of your people like i would searching for an ancient civilisation or tribe the romans conquered. I can understand your "trapped" feeling when your country acts like your dead.

Reservations are for wildlife not human beings- and the fact that 4 have disappeared was sickening to read, but your right, no one knew it... No one in your government cared to check.

Smallest minority or not i sincerely hope that by some "deus ex machina" (as those fallen romans might say) things get better for all natives and all minorities in the states

Communism is the only way for humanity to survive as a race. To connect this a bit to star trek, I am talking about humanity as a race, not about black people, or white people, asians or indians. Just Humans.
I am convinced that intelligent life does exist somewhere besides earth and I even believe they are watching us and perhaps even made contact already. Though I dont know that last one for sure.

Every human being gets born with the same physical potential. Your class or wealth has no influence on your intelligence or abilities. Homeless people who can't even read or write had the potential to become the next Einstein if only they were given the same change as those who are born rich. Money and wealth - capitalist thinking - is the way to transfer the human race into a Ferengi-like empire. I was always fascinated how an american could create a world (in time of the cold war) that was based on the success of the enemy system and getting away with it.

Anyway, for communism to work properly, some things have to change drastically about the human way of life and nature. Otherwise we get things like the Sovjet Union and such. (just a not for all brainwashed americans: the sovjet union did NOT have communism. Not like it was originally intended to work)

Marx was a genius. He was only born a number of years too early.

Thanks Rigel.

I'm at risk for sudden death heart attack, have GERD, and high blood pressure... But I'll manage... lol


The sence and sinceabilities of the world total is unreal. We as normal citizens of our tiny planet, being stuck as we are is just sad. IF we could just get ALL of the government officals to just pull there heads out of there butts and truly SEE as we here on BOTF do.... Then There could be a slight glimmer of hope... lol
(Fat chance of that happening)

We (all of us) need to overthrow all the governments, adn show them how to do it in a proper way.... lol Be it the Fed way or Rom, or Klingon...(sorry we have had enough of Ferengi and Cardiassion lifestyles). We could have a chance.. Ahh alas.. it is only a dream...

Communism for a start is at heart just an economical model, nothing more.
You are right to suggest that in its true form it really has never been put to practice, this is of course due to the falacy of men who inevitably seek power.

Nothing is more fustrating to see young people harp on about how great Communism is while they waist away the hours playing games on there
£2000k computers

Try speaking to someone who has had to live through communism and i think you may get a differant view of it, while it may sound noble in the end it just will not work

Communism as it was in the Sovjet Union is to no extend what it could be. I said it myself before, and you are all right about one thing; which is that on our current world it wouldn't work.

But only because of us. Because of any of us and the way we live, That has nothing to do with the system. As a system, it works better, MUCH better, than capitalism. I am convinced that one day we will abandon capitalism and pursue the old ideology of Marx. Everyone being equal, and everyone being able to obtain the same standard of life.
This standard will not be like in the Sovjet Union (to go through with cdrwolfe's argument) no computes for everyone, but everyone will have a computer.
This will take a while, indeed. And most probably won't happen indeed until the invention of the replicator or so, but one day it will prevail over the capitalist system.

Too bad, I won't be there to witness it...