hey guys im sry i havent been around been in da hospital for 2 months.
i read somewhere there is to be a demo of botf2 where do i download this.


is it the thing in the download section that says botf2 database.
some one give me a link if its not.

No demo is out yet. There was *supposed* to be one out, but the programmer got set back some.

Give it a week or so maybe and it might be out, since I think I read Gavin say he's taking this week or this coming week off work entirely to code.

Even if there is none in a week, well, they also said I think by last december we'd have a demo, but plenty of posts from different people indicate there's a work dev-only demo of sorts, works being made. Still though, I figure it'll be out soon..

I have a little advice to everyone who's anxiously awaiting BOTF2... Whenever it occurs to you that you really want it TO COME OUT NOW!!! Take a step back and consider all the times you've bought games that were rushed into release and were barely functional until the 2nd or 3rd patch. Have some respect for the devs that are attempting to release a stable, playable product. I, for one, have waited five years for BOTF2, and am more than willing to wait a little longer for a playable game.

~panic

PS - This isn't really aimed at you Noxx, I realize you're just curious and have been away for awhile. However, someone is asking this question every 2-3 days lately... Try looking through old posts before you ask a question that someone has probably already asked recently.

Perhaps we shoudl start a thread called 'don't ask about the game!' lol

I think the devs might be a bit annoyed with a thread like that though...

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The demo release date is gonna be a bit more than a week away - Gavin is currently in the middle of moving house, and until that is done and dusted, he certainly won't have time to even think about the game.

On top of that, he's been busy with work, plus one of his friends' relatives' died recently. He really does have a lot on his plate at the moment, and i'm sure that he won't wanna be bugged by constant requests when he finally gets a chance to take a breather. (No offense intended to you, Noxx, you didn't know. )

The game will be released when Gavin feels it is complete, and he has had time to gift wrap the Demo for download.

Until that time, it won't be released, simple as that. There is no way that Gavin would let the game suffer from the same problems that BOTF had.

Chances are, once the demo is ready for download, there will be a mass email to notify everyone anyway. The devs know how much we want the game - just give them a chance to complete it. The game is still coming, everyone just needs a bit more patience.

Gav said on another thread that he's going to be taking some time off work to catch up on things, so hopefully he'll have some good news for us soon.

But in all seriousness, perhaps a notice on the front page saying that no demo or release date has been confirmed yet would help to stop these oft requests for updates.

Personally, I can wait as long as it takes, I’ve waited 7 years already!

Well if all goes well hopefully you wont have to wait much longer. Of course we all quite understand the reasons why the Demo's been put on hold at the moment.

@Puggsley, that would be a good idea. PM Jig if you want and ask him

Cant rely see it going down well lol!


Demo will come out when its ready and thats it lol no worrys

i can sympathise im only working on one ship and i can hardly find time for that, imagime guys live jig and gav....its enough to make you head spin

Nightmare!

that why people should be saying thanks and not setting up threads moaning (not this one)

7 years?! 8O Didn't quite realize it'd been that long.. geez, this CD's had a long, hard life from its start in the bargain bin of a Kmart.

panic: I like you're avatar, Adama has been the only thing keeping my SciFi fires stoked ever since DS9 basically.. and some Firefly here and there.

CaptRingold: Thanks. I agree BSG is pretty much the best scifi around atm.

Ive been following this website for a long time. I just finaly registered an account here.

But to be honest its good to see all those "whens it coming" posts. Shows there is intrest and a player base waiting. Means when game comes out and if its multiplayer ( im not sure, i need to do some reading) i will have people to play against.

I got my hopes up also when i saw posts on other forums stating a demo was being released. But i believe one of the main guys had a death in the family? I understand how that goes i just lost both my grandparents this year back to back watching my grandfather pass away slowly from cancer. Takes a toll on anyone.

Eventually things will get better and this game will be out. All we can do is support the people involved in making it.

First of all sorry for my bad english.
Second of all I am writing here about thoughts I have. Some may feel personally attacked by my post which is not my intention.

There is something about which I wanted to write for a couple of weeks now, but I have not found time for it.

When I first found this website and read about the project I was really amazed. I always loved BOTF and I am still playing it from time to time and a sequel would be great. But then I began wondering if it is realistic. I am a programmer myself and have done very small games and the stuff, which is discussed in the Game Request topics was just "hillarious". Especially when it comes to the AI, for example that it should be able to learn. Some stuff was discussed a whole team of professional programmers would not accomplish (I do not want to say that gavin is not a pro).

But all of this I hoped was just the excitement of the other fans.
Regarding the game it was very quiet for a long time, but then in the summer it began that stuff has been announced (screenshots, video, demo) and from this point of time, people were asking for the release of this stuff.

As far as I know, the video has not been released yet, there has been not even half a dozen screenies and the demo which has been announced for release more than a month ago is also not available, there have always been some coincidences.

Regarding the screenies I just can't imagine that it takes that long to make a screencap if I have a running game.

Regarding the demo. I think it was announced during a weekend for the release the next weekend. Then the tragedy of the death of his friends relative came into gavins life (life really sucks sometimes) and stops the demo being released.
But at this point the demo should have needed only about 7 days for completion but this was more than a month ago. I know Gavin is now busy with moving house, but I just talk about my own experience. If I have a program near completion, I know there is more little stuff to be done than first expected and it takes longer although you already see the finishing line but after that a long time of work I would be so eager to complete the demo just to release it and let the game go for a couple of time.

Again this is no personal attack but sometimes I feel like the whole story is like a hoax or at least the game is not quite as far as told by some people.

Of course I hope I am totally wrong and there is already a very cool BOTF 2 out there near completion.

One thing: I don't even expect an answer from one of the guys, but on the other hand I do not really want an answer from people who have not seen anything from the actual game and can just say "Of course there is a game and it is near completion" or something like that.

As I said, these are just my thoughts, don't be angry.

whoelse

I hope you are wrong, as do you I guess.

I hope you dont get flamed as you have written it well and properly with good respect for others.

good points all of them, with regards to the demo, it was nearly ready and we were testing the components at the time of the death of gavins friend, i have personally tested severel parts and they were working ok. there were however problems with both the multigame components and the 3d engine not scaleing the models properly.
the main reason for the huge delay in the demo is not all down the gavin moving, it is also because he has so much work on, i have spoken to him and sometimes he pulls 14 hour days, which as you can imagine leaves zero time for the game. now some good news, gavin has cleared a week next month to concentrate fully on the game, so we should have a release ready quite soon. i hope this puts aside some of your fears of this being a hoax, but think about this, who would run a hoax for over a year? it would have gotten boring after a few weeks

What a guy Gavin is, same goes for all the devs. The amount of work they put in to achieve this. A great credit to you all.

Who's buying the first round?

I too am a programmer who shares your concerns. Unfortunatley what is happening with this project I have seen happen to so many internet-fan-made games. Lots of unrealistic ideas not much progress.
I don't beleive this is an intenional hoax it just looks like Gavin got in over his head.
I just wish we were given a diffinate answer as to weather or not the game is still going to happen.



Indeed, even if the game has many bugs and didn't function properly yet taking a screenshot/video is trivial.


In the week following the "release date" Gavin went on to record an interview on an internet-radio show where he talked about the game not too mention posts on this forum which contained no update. Shame he didn't spend the time working on the game.
And it's a strange coincedence that after we are told of Gavin's personal tragedy which will delay the release we are then told about Gavin moving house which will delay the game further then we are told how he must work 14 hour days. Oh and he's getting married, I wonder what it will be next.

I hope I am wrong and maybe my post sounds harsh but BOTF had it's problems and it was created by a team of profesionals no doubt working full time.

wow nice first post romulous, the skepticisim drips from every word. from what you have written i can only conclude you are calling me a liar. this i do not appreciate bear this in mind in future posts. if you feel it is all a hoax or is not going to happen then why even bother to join up? i have told people of the current state of afairs and i get crap for it, when i don`t post i get crap for it, jesus wept i just can`t win can i. i can only tell you guys what i know myself, and being a bunch of negative nancies will not help the game come along now will it? perhaps you should show a bit more faith and a little less sarcasm. i don`t know about gavin but i for one am really fed up with every single "were`s the game thread" ending up with, is it even going to happen. i have put a lot of effort into this game and all you guys do is make me want to give it up in despair. from here on in i shall not be replying to any thread with regards to the release date or screenies or the demo as all i get is the same **** over and over again.

I too wish my first post had been under better circumstances.
I've been reading these forums, patiantly waiting for some time. In the begining I though this game had a chance.
Seams there are a lot of people who put a lot of hard work into this and have all been let down by one guy.

I have tested a smal amount of the game and it is there the game. Gav i think took this week off to work on it so there might be a update soon i dont know.

When gav feels its time for screenshots im sure he will post them. It is after all alot for the main programmer and i think the only programer to do on a game as big as this. So just hang in there, try to hold back from asking all the time on the demo/full game versions and the media updates everyones asking for and just be patient.

i cant wait for the game next month and i get Starwars Battlefront 2 next month aswell i cant wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Faith is eternal.

Is there anything members can do to assist with the completion of the game? Do any more ship models need completing? I know that Jigs has been doing most (if not all of them) and had some problems with his software - 3D max - which slowed him down a few months ago.

Is there anyone that can provide constructive assistance? And if so what assistance would be of use to the development team?

Jigs and Gavin. Keep the plugging on with the development and ignore those that are moaning. I've read most of the posts / links in the forums(although I don't often comment) and the amount of database work that has already been carried out (ie for the models and races) is massive and encouraging. The work is of a high standard and well thought out. Good show! Jigs' mods on the original BOTF were very good and show his modelling skills are also of a high standard.

Good luck and keep up the good fight, I'm sure the game will be done when you are happy that it is ready for use. The idea of mass e-mail updates is a good one though and might stop these threads from starting in the first place...could also save you time in replying as there would be no ambiguity in how the game was developing...from the horse's mouth as they say?

Good point jig, good point.

@Jig -- I recomend you read "The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity" published here:
http://www.mentalsoup.com/mentalsoup/basic.htm

@Romulous & whoelse -- To me there are two possiblities:

1) It's real. It's unfinnished. It's coming. You are being told the truth.
2) It's a hoax. You are being lied to.

If it's the first, it just takes patience. You're gonna get a great game. There's no need for negativity or sorrow.

If it's the second, then I say, "Well, that sucks! But, look at all the amazing ideas that have come from it!" In this case, I recommend you start to:
A) Archive everything. Collect every strange idea no matter how it contradicts other ideas and put them all into a concise format, so as to be easily referenced later. This way, the next person who is interested in programming BotF2 doesn't have to start from scratch.
B) Contribute to the ideas. It is important that all the possibilities are put into one place for the next person. If there have been some missed by this forum, fill in the gaps. And while you're at it, post all this stuff here, in this forum, so that we all may benefit... The people here are, after all, BotF fans. We want such things. And we would thank you for them.

In either case, complaining, nay-saying and/or doom predicting is irrelevant. Only positive actions are useful.

This is just my opinion. It's not meant as a flame, but heartfelt advice.

Warning: I do not respond to flames, only reason.

Edit: @Jig -- I would also like to say, "Thanks for all your work. I'm a believer." :)

Good points ZDarby

Romulous, I meant to say this in my other post, but forgot. Sure many of the idea may have been unrealistic, but they were being offered by trek fans who didnt know much about programming. We threw out as many ideas as we could, knowing that some wouldnt work for the game, but there may have been one out of five ideas that was great for the game. Its not as if Gavin tried every idea we threw out. Whether he said it in the thread or not, he more or less knew what he could and couldnt do, and if the idea was good, and possible, I'm sure he tried it.

Allthough I'm not a beleiver these are reasonable ideas.

The problem that this being a hoax would cause is if ever somone else decided to start a BOTF project a lot of the people who might have contributed would be less likely to trust in a new project but point A would help with that

whilst i too was worried, and try not to flame people, i h8 it when people sign upto the forums after months of coming here to complain, having contributed nothing. I am not perfect, but i think its quite rude...

but im not flaming anyone.

Just another argument against they nay-sayers and doom-thinkers:
I might even agree with you guys that there is indeed little material available. There could've been more screenshots, there could have been a movie, and a demo, etc. etc. if the devs wanted to prioritize on that. They don't, sucks for us.
Anyway, my point is that the material they DID provide had to be created somehow, hadn't it. There are actualy quite a lot model pics around this site. Do you have any idea how long it takes to create those pics? I'd say it takes too much time and effort for it to be a hoax.

One other remark in the end: you do not realy think that continueing to say things like this increase the motivation of Gavin and others to work harder on the project, do you? I think you guys are effectively slowing down the project by being so negative!

oh man i am completly sorry jig @ gav. i should have read the old posts.
what a cluster - - - - this was to post that.it like totaly changed to
negative feedback .romulus get some perspective bra. it takes time
to paint a picture,as does it to code a game.

everyone working on this game has my complete condolences for all loses.
Gavin ,jig you guys rock.im sorry my post attracted the negative targ.lol
Im now going to take a few days to catch up on the other posts in all these forums.

peace,live long and prosper.