yes but someone on this site sad ......I don't remember who ...TOS where fake and unreal....and I totally agree with him.....Still what you are saying is making sense

I think some peaple find it the (ubber daddy) because it started with TOS but look at those ships ....and there weapons

While that is very true, the contents of it still remain canon. So in that regard, Scatter is right indeed.

I did find it very annoying in said episodes of ENT that they obtained the Enterprise-A and called it modern and 'state of the art'. While it was plain and simple primitive and ugly. (especially compared to the Enterprise itself)

I agree with you on that!!

If you do a google on "mirror universe timeline", you can find many sites with their own version of how/why the mirror universe came about.

Some of them start off with the changes happening during the Eugenics Wars, but most of them start sometime around 1781 (American Independance)

Basically, for different reasons, the President winds up having much more power than he is supposed to. Apparently the extra power goes to successive Presidents heads, and America turns 'evil'.

America becomes an Empire, and WW1 becomes a much bigger war than in out timeline. In the Aftermath, Kaiser Wilhelm II creates the European Empire, and WW2 never happens.

The best site that i've found for info is the one at wikipedia:


Obviously, it isn't canon (Since there isn't a canon timeline) but it contains many of the 'world events' that other sites have and in more detail.

It's a great read, seeing how the world could have turned out. As an example, Martin Luther King becomes a murderer, and the Apollo program results from a war!

I'd recommend reading it, if you have the time. (It's a looooong read)

the enterprise wasn-t my favourite either, but hate it, Never... the episodes, with romulens and vulcans was ...hmm how can i sat it----nice. so u see no everybody hates... more like not satisfied.

If Braga & Crew were so good, then one must wonder why VOY and ENT tanked so badly.

Nothing can explain away the points I made, except to just accept them as being continuity errors.

As for the Romulan War, if we do take ENT as at least PARTLY canon (which we must), there is that little scene were Archer pulls a book about the Romulan War off the shelf in the library, and his time-traveling comrade quickly takes it back.. Additionally, Michael Okuda, whose word may as well be thought of as canon, wrote Star Trek Chronology, and it pegs the Romulan War at 2156 through 2158. Captain Stiles I remember was said to have lost family in the war... and through my awesome Google skills, I have just found a direct reference from TNG that said the Romulan War ended at the Battle of Cheron. Also noted, from VOY, is the Battle of Galordorn Core, and also from VOY is a battle possibly fought during the war, the Battle of Okardo.

Also, I doubt the neutral zone, and the extreme animosity shown during TOS, as is noted in this picture, could have arisen over meeting peacefully and sharing a cup of tea (or Romulan Ale).
http://www.st-minutiae.com/academy/hist ... ap_1_1.jpg

Enterprise gets picked away incessantly by people like me not because we dislike Braga, for example, or dislike the show itself. It gets picked at because from Episode 1, the people behind it showed disdain for all that is Star Trek, and merely tried to make a show that catered to some lowest denominator to attempt to get ratings (and failed even at that). The same people running ENT already had a bad rap with trek fans from their time with Voyager, who had a few slip ups themselves. Additionally, every show had some mistakes... Like the Enterprise A's never-ending turbolift, deck 78 being shown on I think the ENT-B, and other random little things, but Enterprise had them in spades, everywhere.

Which is why many Trek fans didn't tune in. Some did early on, some did sporadically hoping it'd get better, but by and large, they didnt. It wasn't good enough to cut it on its own non-ST merits, and thus, it was finally killed in season 4. Which is actually sort of sad, since the new producer could've made a good season 5, but too little too late.

The Borg/Ferengi thing.. after all that, no security pictures, no records, nothing? Picard knew only of rumors of Ferengi, and the Federation supposedly had no clue what so ever of Borg until they heard it from Al-Aurians (sp?), and even then didn't take it to heart. By not saying the name 'Ferengi' or 'Borg' they just tried to avoid outright outrage.

The one thing that CAN be explained away.. is the speed to Qo'Nos. There's a widely believed speculation that there's subspace highways of sorts where the same amount of warp power will propel a ship faster or slower, sort of like... electrical resistance lowering current. Which is why it took Voyager years to get home (and as part of canon, they said using advanced sensors to detect such space cut 5 years off their travel time, supposedly looking for these 'highways'), yet the Enterprise got to the galactic core in basically a blink of an eye in the movies.

Again, it answers the topic question: why ENT is hated. They stuck 'Star Trek' in front of its name, and many people, like myself, couldn't stand the shoddy quality and discontinuity in the attempt to make it Trek. Others aren't so picky, which is why it limped along for as long as it did.

Edit: And I noticed sort of a concensus that season 4 was better -- yep, thats what happens when Braga & Berman hand the reigns over to.. what was it, Manny Coto? He only had a chance to influence a few cuts of some episodes, but given Season 5, it could've been like a whole new show

Considering season 4 was basically still B&B and only a little Manny Coto, I think it speaks pretty well of Manny that he could make a noticeable difference with the level of input he had.

I'd hope, if ST couldn't bribe/kidnap Ron Moore to do a new show, then Manny is my man! The Augment arc, in my opinion, was better than the somewhat silly Xindi arc, for example. I thought it had a human component (and a hot augment babe), along WITH the requisite amount of things blowing up. And the heavy nod at the great grandfather of Data was a nice touch, too..

More or less too sad about the franchise being over to talk any more about ENT though, so I'll quote Koenig in parting:

"But that doesn't mean the people can't rise up and defend STAR TREK. In the absence of the ruling class, the peasantry has picked up their pitchforks and shovels and gone into battle."

ST: 11 Idea:

Why not have the next movie be a Post-Enterprise description of the Romulan War? This really should have been the point of the series, but the writers failed miserably at seeing what to me is such an obvious overrarching plotline to explore.

One could use the existing characters, and provided it is VERY well written fill in some of the enormous plot holes towards the end of the series.

By well-written I mean something beyond what we've seen for the last....oh... five years. Less contrived than Nemesis, more substantive storytelling....rant, rant.

Well, it won't happen, but it could be really cool to see that.

no offence but why would they want to bring it back im all for a new series but carnt carry on enterprise its over and done with just lets bring on a new series thats what they should be fighting fior

SOME people like it. I quite liked it, and I thought it would be nice to announce it to others that like it also.

I know Jig likes Enterprise.