i was broseing the internet and found this site

it was set up by Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual star trek fans who wanty a gay characte on the new show or in a moive.

Im was wondering if people had any viewson this?

link to website below i look farward to hearing your thoughts
http://www.webpan.com/dsinclair/trek.html

i fail to see why queers constantly feel the need to force their way of life into our faces at every moment of the day, i see no need for their constant attacks on traditional family values yet at the same time scream homophobia whenever they are criticised or do not get what they want. they seem to have forgotten that acceptamce is a two way street and they should not force their agenda on everyone else.

Personally, I don't 100% agree with the entire article. I agree for it in the most part, but not completely.

There have been episodes where sexuality has been "dealt with", and where other sexualities have been explored. Whilst there hasn't been a specifically identified gay character, why do we assume they are all straight?

As hard to believe as it may be, not every character in every single show had a relationship, and they didn't appear in every show waving cards round saying "kiss me, i'm straight/gay/whatever". So how do we KNOW that every character is straight?

It's just as what was written: Trek (And sci-fi in general) tends to be a hi-tech transplant of people's current views. It deals with the social problems of the time, not the social problems of the future.

There is the point though (And this wasn't mentioned in the article) that since they are constantly meeting alien cultures, that the social problems of the future would be the same as today, because these new alien cultures would have their own beliefs.

Every time a new race appears, the entire philosophical debate on social tensions would flare up again. As much as society would be horrified by it, there will always be people who are outcasts at a particular time. Gays are just the ones that are being focussed on at the moment. For all we know, the people who will be discriminated against in the future are those that believe in a religion, white people, or even men.

Just because something is accepted today, doesn't mean it will be in the future. The opposite is obviously also true.

The fact that the article is about gay people means nothing in my mind. If the article had been written in the sixties, it would probably have been about black women or Russians.

If it was written in 10 years time, it would probably be written about something like smoking. Social attitudes change over time, and Trek has always been about pushing those boundaries.

As the article has said, gays on TV is a relatively recent thing. Just because it hasn't been shown yet, doesn't mean it never will be - if there's another series, that is... 8O

Actually, while he wasn't identified in First Contact as being gay, Sean Hawk is identified as a homosexual in the book series' (ex: Section 31: Rogue)

Personally, I agree with jig on this one. And, being a christian (yet not a catholic), I really can't agree with their way of life.

As far as go on this if there's a need for a gblt character then i'd have nothing against one. Just as i have no objecton to a straight actor playing a gblt character

Gays were in Star Trek but the Federation ran out of them trying to fix trasporter malfunctions. now we have to use those led containers.

Interesting topic.



A bit harsh, i think the idea is to represented like women and members of ethnic minorities have become over the years.



Is it possible for you to stop being attracted to the oppositte sex?

Well i could be totally wrong here and i am no homophobe or racist, I just see people as people what ever thier skin or sexual tendencies. So what if there was a Gay or a Lesbian on Star Trek is there a really need to make an issue out of it, lets keep to the story of space travel in the future, the 60's 70's 80's and 90's are where we dealt with our phobias of things against the so called norm.

Anyway I find it hard to believe that a Gay person would choose a career that would take them away from their family and loved, ones for what could be years on end. These things seem very important to them, correct me if I am wrong.

There was one!!!! the Voyager episode with the prometheus! that hologram that worked with the doctor! he was gay! And presumably hes based on a real life model, as the doctor is, who presumably is high up cus hes making holograms for the new ships, so hey presto! High figures in the Trek world! Btw that character was a hoot! bring him back!!!!

Riker fell in love with a man sorta in one episode of TNG where the race dont have gender or somit.

DS9 trill episode where dax was in love with a old flame and the symbote was in a women.

It doesn't really matter, does it? If there is a glbt character in Trek, it certainly would not matter to Starfleet, if they are truly egalitarian and tolerant. Since there is no prohibition social or otherwise about leaving family to join Starfleet (Tuvok, twice, Janeway, Picard, etc.), and there are postings where families are allowed (Galaxy class ships, starbases, etc.), there isn't really any reason gays and lesbians et. al. would be underrepresented. They wouldn't be overrepresented, either, since as far as I know, only a small fraction of a given species has a differing sexual orientation.

For an interesting take on such things, read the ST books in the Titan series!

this is one thing about minorities that **** me. they want things like this for the sake of doing it, not for the sake of the show (in this example). and even if they did they would prob make a huge deal about it in the show, which is stupid, because future society is so 'peacefull, understanding and tollerant' so it would be stupid.

it just seems like an empty 'solution' to get a gay role model for gay people everywhere.

i would just like to add, that i think everybodies love life is there own buisness and they can do whatever they want to whoever they want. i say if it feels good, do it, just dont hurt anyone in the process.

thats my rant.

after five years with the same woman hell ya

While I do agree an entire gay character would be kinda pointless, I would have no objection at all in havind an episode which touches the homophilic area. Just as there were episodes which touched other sensitive areas such as extremist religion (Chosen Realm, ENT) and other things.

Being Gay in the world of Star Trek will be so normal you would probably don't even notice a character being gay. There is nothing strange or weird about people who are gay. Not even in this world in our time. So it would certainly not be in the supposed time of Star Trek.

So, about the subject, I realy don't care. Star Trek isn't about relations and stuff. Those are always side tracks (got to love the ever lasting Keiko-Miles clashes, though ). I wouldn't mind if there is a John and Joe Doe involved in some kind of relationship. As long as it serves a purpose, adds to the story and is fun.

The only reason that it hasn't been explored in star trek is because it would require a main character to be gay which could rearise the issue every week. And whilst society is tolerant by no mean do parents want there children learning about sexuality at a young age. It's a family show and i think that sometimes homosexuality needs to be kept in the appropriate place. On top of that star trek isn't on as strong ground as it used to be, during ent it couldn't afford to be over controversial out of fear of it loosing its already slim audiences.

the same could be said about bsg star wars stargate sg1 and atlantis

Whilst I understand what you're saying, Stargate certainly isn't on thin ground.

Star Gate apparently gets higher ratings than the combined ratings of all 5 Star Trek series, and those ratings are getting higher with each season. I haven't got any actual stats, so I can't prove that though.

Anyways, I agree with Silvercliff:



Why do we assume that todays problems will also be tomorrows problems?

Gay people don't need to hide away out of fear as much as they used to. In ten years time, it probably won't be a big deal. In fact, it probably won't even be considered as a "problem".

Based on that, is there really a need to show it as one? No.

These reasons are just as true as xir_'s thoughts.

Interesting...............................

I started this thread because i have a gay freand who say this site and told me to have a look i am very comfitibel with my sexuality and see no reason to hate or resent gays and would not be botherd if such a chraitor was created to be honest.

Anyway I find it hard to believe that a Gay person would choose a career that would take them away from their family and loved, ones for what could be years on end. These things seem very important to them, correct me if I am wrong. COMENT MADE BY LOBSANG

Just a quick comment you keep refering to gays as a diffrent race instead of normal people not being nasty or anything but wouldnt everyone hate to be away from their famileys for years at a time ???????

I agree with the people who are saying that there has been a gay character there has been i know this but i still wanted to hear your thoughs on the subject i will ask my mate if he wants to say anything to get his point of view but ..............

I do think some comments made are a little harsh but i do agree on some level with jig that some homosexuals feel the need to force there beliefs on others but hey

Gay people don't need to hide away out of fear as much as they used to. In ten years time, it probably won't be a big deal. In fact, it probably won't even be considered as a "problem".POSTED BY MOE
i totaly agrre with you MOE its like coulour was an issue not long ago but it is no longer rely much of a problem in fact not many people care but thing is MOE there are still people who are agaisnt black/white people or against gay people and there always will its just free will its a bitch

The only reason that it hasn't been explored in star trek is because it would require a main character to be gay which could rearise the issue every week. And whilst society is tolerant by no mean do parents want there children learning about sexuality at a young age. It's a family show and i think that sometimes homosexuality needs to be kept in the appropriate place. On top of that star trek isn't on as strong ground as it used to be, during ent it couldn't afford to be over controversial out of fear of it loosing its already slim audiences.
I totaly agree it is a very good point and i agree with it

I don't realy agree with MoE's statements and xir_'s statements. At first, Matress makes it believe that today homosexuality IS a big deal or a "problem". There is nothing problematic about them in my opinion. The only problem might be with some people who, for some reason, dislike them.

The statement from xir_ is totally wrong in my opinion because sexuality itself IS being explored in Star Trek on numerous occasions (name me one series in which it isn't, btw). I fail to see why homosexuality would be more harmfull to children then heterosexuality.

I am slightly homophobic, when i go out to a club or a pub i dont want to bump into gay guys. i have had friends that are gay and i find that the very femine men seem to get on the way they do to rub it in other peoples faces,, and it makes me really uncomforatble.

If i started to piss you off with my attudie we wouldnt be friends. If an entire section of the comunity pissed you off with their attidudeand you didnt want to be around them they feel victimised.

I dont care what they do as long as its not in front of me or my future kids. its not natural, and no good comes out of it.

I dont think children need to see homosexuality in any form. Television is a serious plight on the human race and we dont need any more **** on there that can screw around with kids heads any more. Ok they are alot worse things on tv but this is just one more that doesnt need to be there.... 1 off episode at the most, but even that is too much. <bad mood and rant ends>

Nothing bad either.

Homosexuality is something that happened for as long as the human race exists. Some tribes of Apes also have homosexual tendancies. So if we take nature itself as referencepoint, it doesn't seem unnatural at all.

Centurion, you seem to misunderstand me.

I do not think that homosexuality is a "problem", far from it. Obviously there are a few people that have a big problem with it, but people in general now tollerate and even accept it. I am one of these people. I do not see it as a problem. It is a fact of life that there are gay people, and if you have a problem with it, then you will have to deal with it. (And i'm not trying to offend you, Undated, everyone has their own equally valid point of view, these are just mine)

I agree that children shouldn't be exposed to it by the mass media, but people need to learn at some point - be that from their parents, friends, school, or even through their own personal interests.

Ignorance breeds intollerance, and look what happened in WW2 thanks to ignorance and intollerance.

I believe the fact that the gay community is now "out" is a good thing, and if people have a problem with it, they will simply have to learn to deal with it.

Having a problem is comparable to being racist, sexist, ageist, whatever. It is still a form of discrimination. How would you like it if you were discriminated against?

I thought not.

but if you dont like the personality of someone because of there attitude about being gay (like being really femine in front of you eg JAck from will and grace) does that make u racist?

People with certain personality types will clash with other types, but that not being racist, if I dislike the type of man who gets on like that its not racist it just pisses me off..... People are so easy to think it discrimination, i wouldnt stand on the corners preaching against it, i think that if they want to do it they can but i dont like it near me.

No, it doesn't mean you're racist, it just means you're human.

Everyone has their own opinions, it's when they are physically (Or sometimes verbally) expressed that the problems start.

Ok, so you don't like 'flamboyant' people. You're not a 100% completely opposed anti-gay are you?

Wait a minute...what am I? Gay civil rights campaigner for the site?

yes you are

Eveyone has there own opion but i think its neseccery to keep bad thoughs such as takeing the mick or isulting some1 becuase of it quite to stop arguements

EDIT- i like that fact that the two yoingest here me and TBC reastions are that we arnt that bothred about wilst alot of you older guys are which could mean its a genaration thing?

Maybe people should watch southpark especially the episode with sparky the gay dog and big gay al.

They did a great job in tackling the gay topic in their show with stlye. hehe.

stupid gay dog
i`m super thanks for asking
that episode was great.

Personally, Im not really bothered by it at all, I have quite a lot of gay friends. Which should probably make me uncomfortable as several of them "like" me a bit too much. but they understand that im not that way inclined.

Yes you can get some overly flambouyant and feminin gay people, but most of them you would not notice the difference between them and yourself. I know several friends of mine, who are so straight, until it comes to there sexuality.

At the end of the day, you can say it isnt natural all you want, but everyone is different, it might not be natural for most people. But its natural for them, and thats what really matters.

Discrimination is a bad thing, I often get it because I have Bipolar, and as such, get assosiated with the stigma attatched. Even though, I do not have Type I, which causes a lot of the bad feelings about the disease. So I can sympathize with people who get discriminated.

whats bipolar? i never heard of it before.

morden u make good points. Good job

Its a Mental Illness, where depending on the type you have. You have severe depressions, and then a few weeks or months later, you shift into a manic state.

also known as Manic Depressant and alike.

For me, I have really bad Type 2, which makes it difficult to diagnose, because Im almost as bad as Type 1, sometimes worse, but I have more control over myself.

I get suicidal depressions which last 2-6 weeks, and then when they finish, im hit almost immediately by hypermania which lasts for 2-6 weeks. where I cant sleep, cant stop moving, and where if I eat, I have so much energy I cant stop moving. And its like being completely opposite to suicidal depression. Its an amazing feeling. but its a bit dangerous, as my judgement is a bit bad when im like this. And they cycle one after the other. ive had it for nearly 10 years. and it causes me a lot of problems with college/uni.

Though, im having worse hypermania atm than normal, cause my doctor is testing me on some drugs to cure the depression side, he's not worried about the mania, cause i am not out of control.

Bipolar, is basically shifting from one mental polarisation to the other. unipolar is major depression. whereas bipolar, means you have the high side as well.

a glimpse as to what its like. most people think im on speed (anphetamines) when im hypermanic.