I have been thinking about when the new series should be based for a while and i have realised that the ending of voyager could create a few problems with regards to the era that it is set in. With Voyager getting home and bringing all of that new technology that they gained from the future Janeway i think that the balance of power would be greatly altered in the alpha quadrant.

If my memory servers me correctly then Voyager has new shields that are practically invincible and new borg killing torpedoes, where would the challenge be once all of Starfleet is equipped with these? This can't be ignored surely?

Please let me know if i have missed something here.

there would be an imbalance, but then if u think about it, starfleet already had an advantage over most of them anyway, and im sure there will be some accord somewhere if the producers of the show wanted to make it fair. how hard would it be to say in the first episode: 'all those enhancements brought back from voyager, and we cant use them because of the ZZZ accord prohibiting them' and give some reason like the romulans and klingons were outraged.... not a big problem. but i doubt the format of show will be used like it has previously. I think theyll introduce it as a new idea NOT focusing on a captain and 1 crew,nearly every story has been done. any that are left wont fill 7 series of 24 eps each.

Well the Temporal Prime Directive would probably fill the gap of the "ZZZ Prohibition Accords".

Since the technology hasn't been developed natively by Starfleet yet, the the technology would have to either be destroyed (Fat chance) or it would have to be sealed away until such time as the technology has been developed independantly, or the very survival of the Federation depended on the technology.

I've been reading the MASSIVE fanfic that Zahadoom posted in another thread, and they've thought about this subject in quite a lot of detail.

Basically, whilst Voyager was in the Delta Quadrant, Federation technology obviously improved. Torpedo effectiveness and targeting systems greatly improved, and Phasers are basically neared the end of their working life.

A new weapons system, known as an "Isomagnetic Disintegrator" is becoming increasingly utilised on Federation ships, with Phasers as secondary weapon systems.

The improved weapons power and targeting systems have meant that the Federation is able to use Transphasic Torpedoes without too much concern for the Temporal Prime directive. The Federation is also at war with the Cylons of Battlestar Galactica, so it's survival does depend on the technology.

The technology has also been shared with the Klingons, but they did not use it. They instead decided to take the targetting systems and make it standard equipment. They then focussed on improving the power of their Disruptors, so that their ships could match Federation ships equipped with the new Isomagnetic Disintegrators.

There are very few ships currently equipped with the new Disruptors and Isomagnetic Disintegrators, however. These ship[s tend to be the largest ships, or those that were already recieving refits.

However, on the front of Voyager's Adaptive Armour, the Federation has made very little progress in utilising the technology - so Voyager is still the only ship equipped with it.

However, the upgraded weapons systems that are quickly becoming standard armament in the Federation fleet means that there is little need for such massively powerful defenses.

Anyways, as you can guess, I really like the fanfic, but it is just one possible way that the technologies brought by Voyager could be used - if the Cylons invade, that is...

maybe i will have to read this particular fanfic, it sounds good. it has everything, big guns, cylons... everything

where can i find out more about it at?

i'm thinking the next series should be based about five years after the dominion war...

on a smaller ship... like the xenon class for instance.

oh... and it should have a transwarp drive. definitely.

what about the mirror universe time line? could have some interesting story lines

If people wanna read the fanfic, it is spread across FOUR BOOKS.

These can be found on fanfiction.net:

Book 1
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/423785/1/

Book 2
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/565910/1/

Book 3
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1434978/1/

Book 4
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1580711/2/

...And it HASN'T been finished yet!

The Books are split into chapters, which are spaced on separate pages, so remember to click on the links! DON'T make the same mistake as I did and read chapter one of Book 1, chapter one of Book 2, and chapter one of Book 3 before realising something isn't right!

Oh, and to edit my last post, i've just read in the last chapter of book 3 the Federation has NOT shared the Transphasic Torpedo technology with the Klingons - I misquoted the fanfic, sorry.

Quantum Slipstream Drives have also come into use to replace older Warp technologies. It is still only first-generation technology, and isn't quite as fast as it could be. Still, they can go at 1.8 lightyears per SECOND! 8O

There are only a few ships that are thus equipped, but I won't say which ones, coz there'd be a major spoiler in there.

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Anyways, as for a new series, perhaps it could be set on a Mirror Universe Xenon class, Scatter?

Or perhaps it could be a series all about the aftermath of Nemesis - the (New) Romulan Senate is now more open to the advances of the Federation, and they could embark on joint projects together - the culmination of which could be a ship that was designed, built, and crewed by both the Federation and the Romulans.

Of course, this series would be set a <little> more than 5 years after Voyager...it would be more like 5 decades.

thanks moe.

I'm a bit sceptical about mixing the Star Trek universe and the Battlestar gallactica one. There is hardly any resemblance between them at all, looking from a science and technology point of view would the Cylons have any chance at all? Battlestar gallactica seems rather primitive compared to star trek but I guess I will have to read the whole lot first to see how it has been done:)

Does sound like a good read though.

wellllllll the new cylons are kinda primitive still compared to trek but they make better androids, and the computer scrambling abilities are only usable on the human ships because of cylon pre war sabotage, id have thought the cylons were more in line techwise to andromeda, as for a new searies id love to see one set on board a nova class "archeological long term expedition looking for a fabled race", transwarp sleepstream whoobang big honking spaceguns superarmour sounds nice i spose but i was under the impression all the future tech would have to be destroyed to avoid a "ballance of power" war with paranoid races who heard about it, also to stop it falling into the wrong hands.

No way the Feds would destroy -- or share -- the borgie/future tech brough back by Voyager. After the Borg, the Dominion, and all the Alpha/Beta quadrant squabling thats gone on the Feds will enjoy solidifying their techonological advantage. Maybe they'd share with the Klingons... MAYBE.

I'm not sure if people are interested or not, but I thought I would toss this out given the nature of this thread and see what people think. On and off over the past few years, I've tossed around the idea of writing a new TV or book series. As I see it, "Star Trek" is all about propelling us into the future ("our mission is to go forward")--introducing new races, developing new technologies, smashing old barriers, and of course trying us by fire with greater and greater threats to overcome. I'd say that "Enterprise" failed in no small part because it was an attempt to go backwards, reselling to an '00 audience a product which sold to '60s/'70s audiences. Plus, trying to tell a prequel story which does justice to the original is exceptionally difficult unless you had this background story running through your head when you wrote the original. What I came up with is to jump forward. I arbitrarily picked the beginning of the 26th century as the time period for what I called "Star Trek: Phoenix" (I came up with the name even before "First Contact" as a metaphor to mirror the whole point of the series).

Though we might not want to admit it, "Star Trek" has lost a great deal of its appeal to the masses. It's gotten stale from being oversold and mismanagement--thank you ever so much, Paramount or whomever is/was in charge. The Federation has gotten to a "happily ever after" state, for the most part. Now, even the Borg--the ueber-threat of the galaxy--can be blasted apart with a couple of hits--assuming that they even still exist after that virus thing Voyager gave them. As someone--I forget who--pointed out, what real threat is left to the Federation now that they have these advanced, out-of-time technologies? Conflict, a fear that everything survives only by the strength of the chord holding the guillotine at bay, drives "Battlestar Galactica" and the "Stargates." The Sci-fi parts of the story are just window dressings to a larger struggle of humanity trying to overcome its own failings. For this reason, I decided to knock the Federation--and everyone else--off its pedestal.

The series begins at the end of a genocidal conflict known as the Galactic War. During this conflict, the Alpha, Delta, and Gamma quadrant races joined together--albeit not all at the same time--to defend themselves against genocidal campaigns led by Species 8472 (does anyone know if they have an official name?) and a few alien races similar to them from "normal" space who decided to join up. Both sides suffer massive amounts of devastation--the 8472 side actually having to be wiped out in the end, an action the Federation grapples with the repercussions of throughout the series. Entire races are wiped out--I chose to wipe out the Ferengi (despite declaring neutrality, they were selling all manners of advanced weaponry to even minor races, which 8472 couldn't tolerate) and the Talaxians because I hate them--empires collapse (the Romulan military and vast majority of government "vanishes" after suffering heavy losses prior to the Federation's entrance into the war, which plays a major part in developing points of the series later on), old foes embrace previously unimaginable tactics to rebuild their power and cling to what's left (the Dominion seals off the wormhole--another future story arc--and the Borg King rises to power), and even the Federation virtually tears itself apart. The first major story-arc centers around a severe division within Starfleet Command itself over whether to return to its philosophies of peaceful exploration in the post-war galaxy or to adopt a more militarstic outlook to restore order to a shattered galaxy and ensure Federation security, which erupts into a near civil war. Basically, the Federation--along with the rest of the galaxy--has to rediscover itself and confront difficult choices about where to go in the future. Using the term "phoenix" symbolizes how the entire galaxy has to rise from its own ashes.

I've written several story synopses, but I won't try to post those things here--especially since they're pretty much exclusively on paper and not typed into a computer. In some cases, I wrote out dynamics for crew relationships, recurring but not main characters (the Agrippa, one of the other few remaining Federation starships), issues to deal with on a personal level for different characters, tying up untied strings from previous shows (What were those bug things that infected Starfleet early in Next Generation? What exactly happened to Sisko? How did the Q become what they are?), and new technologies which it seemed dumb to me that the Federation didn't have (you can make holographic ships and doctors, but not hybrid Borg/Klingon/Jem'hadar/Hirogen shock troops when you need a few on your ship?). So far, I've shared some of my ideas with a few of my friends who like Sci-fi in general or "Star Trek" specifically, and they of course gave me good feedback about how they'd love to see the stories in action, but I'm just curious what people think of this general idea. A major resource of "Star Trek" which the corporations have failed to capitalize on is the incredibly vast fanbase of ideas. Seriously, from the sounds of it, how much do you actually think a good, quality strategy game like what is being created here could retail for if the designers would simply put the effort into listening to the ideas of the audience?

Anyway, I'm sure this is already too long a message, so I'll shut up now. Still, I'm curious to see what people think of this idea, and if anybody thinks I should spend any of my time trying to further develop this idea.

P.S. This is way too long, so I don't really want to proof-read it. Sorry for any spelling/grammar mistakes.

im not the kinda guy that agrees with everything on this site, but alot of ideas in there are great. Ive t hought about a civil war myself and other ideas such as holographic troops. Definately should start writing. If there was going to be a new series id have that 1. although scatters is great too (excellent writing!)

Ritter, the official name of Species 8472 is "Species 8472".

I like the ideas you've posted for this future fanfic you're planning. If you want to host it somewhere, get in contact with Scatter. (Send him a PM - he's the guy that is writing the Illustrious fanfic and posted a few posts above in this thread) He's already hosting two other fanfics on his site, and - if it's good enough - i'm sure he'd host yours as well.

His fanfic is based on a ship from 3 years after Voyager's return, in fact Seven is one of the main characters, and Janeway is a semi-regular one.

Your ideas aren't entirely original, (No offense intended here, i've read a few fanfics ) although as far as I know, they're in a new setting.

As for wiping out the Ferengi, Scatter has all but done the same in his Illustrious fanfic. Ferenginar and all 18 of their colonies were wiped out when their Star went Nova. In fact, EVERY Star in Ferengi occupied territory went Nova simultaneously, thanks to a Borg-enhanced Breen weapon that was controlled by the Jem'Hadar...I know, confusing, but read the fanfic and it'll make a LOT more sense.

For essentially wiping out the Romulan's Military/System, refer to the fanfics that I posted above. The Cylons were pretty aggressive, but what do you expect? The Romulans are related to Humans, afterall...

For the political side of the Federation, you may again want to speak to Scatter. His fanfic delves into a lot of Federation politics, and a split almost occurred - on Vulcan, no less! 8O

If you're wondering why i'm referring to Scatter so much, i'm his proof-reader, (Shameless pluging unintended ) but your fanfic seems to correspond on several points with his fanfic.

With a little work, you could even do a fanfic set in a future based on Illustrious - although this is your fanfic, so you decide where it goes. Those are just my thoughts on the matter.

Oh, and this map might help you on the Galactic war side of things:

http://www.st-minutiae.com/misc/restoration/map_occupation.jpg

Its a bit on the big side, which is why I didn't post it direct on the page. Its a map of a supposed second Dominion invasion that happened 15 years after the first. The Dominion ends up subjugating the Federation, Romulans, Klingons, and the rest of known space for more than 200 years.

Anyways, it's based on a fanfic called Restoration, which you can find an overview of here:

http://www.st-minutiae.com/misc/restoration/

And as another shamless plug, here's Scatter's fanfics site:

http://illustrious.bur.st/en/news.php

If you've already seen it, it's had quite an overhaul recently, so visit again.

That makes no sense to me, and I allegedly wrote it...

You might wanna read it again MoE, coz that's not quite right...

Are you on about the Borgy bit, or the entirety of the quote, Scatter?

Coz if so, maybe I dreamt it...

Of course, I might also be getting my fanfics mixed up. I'm reading three of them at the same time!

i remember it all except the borg bit.
scatter why did they do that, just to get drones or what?

it's been hinted at, but not properly explained yet.

the breen used the borg technology to make quasi-drones out of a large number of ferengi. exactly why they did that was partially explained in "The Victim is Always Passed Guilty" with the drones being used to mine for materials. There's still more explaining to come...

UnDated, I know I want to see all the technologies the Federation/etc. COULD come up with if they tried. Holographic troops and the like are only the beginning of the new stuff I started coming up with, plus I revisited some old, forgotten techs like the Genesis Torpedo. Thanks for your support.

Matress, thanks for your input. Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that some of my ideas have been thought of by other people as well--I know I'm not the only one who hates the Ferengi--but fortunately I have a long list of things to fall back on. The map was good to look at since I don't have a really good view of the overall galaxy--where Sol in relation to Romulus, etc. is--although I have to say I don't see a new war between the Dominion and Federation. I always envisioned a more or less amicable relationship, especially since Odo probably rejoined the Founders after General (she eventually would be promoted) Kira's death. What I should probably do is send off a query with some of my ideas to the Star Trek book publishers (I think that's Simon & Schuster, but that hasn't been the focus of my research) and possibly whoever has a say in the shows/movies once I finish working on the two books I'm in the process of sending off to publishers now, although one's a series of books telling a long fiction story and the other's a time-intensive nonfiction project. Making a living writing books/articles all before 25 would be phenomenal.

I wasn't criticising your ideas, far from it. I meant it as more of a "warning" really, since people might start thinking plagiarism or whatever if you have no fresh ideas.

Holographic soldiers is a new one on me though, so I doubt you have a problem there.

I certainly see the possibility of ECH's (Emergency Command Holograms) like the Doctor becoming far more prominent in the future of Trek.

The map I showed you was just one of those random things that i've found as I was trawling the internet. As I said, it was created for another fanfiction in it's own right, but i'm glad it helped you get an idea of the relative placements of systems etc.

There has never been a definitive star trek map produced - even the Star Trek star charts are supposed to have inconsistencies. I usually refer to the maps on Ex Astris Scientia though, they're as good as anything else, and the people who run Ex Astris are absolute accuracy freaks.

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/local-space-christian.jpg

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Continuing what I said about the ECH earlier, I read something somewhere about AI's in the future of Star Trek that I thought was quite cool.

I think it was a mini-fanfic about a research facility in the Federation where new computer systems were designed. The fanfic focussed on one particular type of computer known as the Colossus computing system.

It was as powerful as any computer system you would find on a ship such s Voyager, but the main difference was that the entire computing core was dedicated to running a single program. Since it doesn't need to run the Life Support systems, Warp Core, and so on that the computer on a Starship would need to do, you can imagine just how much power was running behind the program!

This program was the first true AI in Starfleet, (Other than Data, who was an Android - the program was for all intents and purposes sentient, but it had no body as such.

It all began when the computer system encountered a problem when trying to interact with the researchers who were testing and programming it.

The only way it could interface with anyone on the station was if they were to enter a special room that contained all the interfaces etc. that fed it. All the systems were kept in a special room because it was top secret, afterall.

Anyways, the problem was that the computer wanted to study the researchers so that it could communicate with them better.

It figured out the shift patterns of the reseacrhers, so when they weren't around, it began to reconfigure itself, and to cover its tracks, it fed them false information so they wouldn't know what was going on.

It reconfigured some of its interfaces into internal sensors and Holographic interfaces, allowing itself to scan the researchers and create a Holographic representation of itself. It then created the representation, based on what it had scanned of the researchers' physical characteristics. (Since they were the only organic lifeforms it had ever "seen", it modelled itself on them so - it hoped - it could communicate with them more effectively)

The first thing they knew of what the computer had done was when the head researcher came into the room to run some standard tests one day, and was met by the Hologram.

The fanfic then fast-forwarded a few months, and went into a big discussion about the implications of the new AI and its uses onboard starships. It talked about the possibility of replacing the entire crew with Holograms and the AI, effectively removing the dangers of space travel to organic life. Any ship that was equipped with an AI was also a much more effective fighting force, because they could physically control and protect themselves and their crew.

The possibility of ships that had no crew was also thought of, since ships have no need to sustain life can put more power into shields, engines, weapons etc. so Starfleet could become a much more powerful force. The sheer number of implications were incredible, and it even went on to talk about the physical value of such AI's as though they were real people.

It then jumped ahead again, to the creation of special banks where the AI's could be stored, trained, and be integrated into new ships were built, and the AI's had to swear an oath of alliegance to the Federation to ensure they wouldn't betray the Federation.

All new Starships had their own AI, which passed their own experience onto the crew, grwatly decreasing the amount of time needed to train new crews, and increasing the performance of the ship considerably. Whenver a ship was decomissioned, the AI was simply deposited in the bank, until it was assigned to a new ship.

The AI's became a major part of the Federation, and they were eventually offered their own star system, just as the Nanites were in TNG. However, the AI's declined the offer, preferring to stay with their crews for the good of Starfleet and the Federation.

Anyways, I digress. (As usual )

Anything is possible in the world of Trek, but based on Voyager and the Doctor/EMH Mark 2/ECH, I think Holograms are going to become very prominent in the Federation.

I'd like a fanfic where they're used in the future as they "should be", and aren't simply considered as pieces of technology.

correct me if im wrong (and i probably am) but in a TOS episode with the crazy doctor and the supercomputer that wiped out a fleet of ships, wasnt there a discussion about how mankind was explorers and that they could just send probe after probe out but then thats not proper exploring. This is really vague, but i dont think that the feds would ever replace crews with AIs, i think it would kinda rule out 'were no man has been before'

but anyway, TOS wasnt even real trek so nothing should be taken out there as canon unless backed up later on!

I know a lot of people that would kill you for saying that...but I agree...

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I'm sorry if I didn't explain myself well enough in that ramble of a post. The fanfic thingy only discussed the possibility of this happening, it never actually said it definitely happened.

What it did say, was that the AI's became a standard part of a Federation Starship - all new ships were fitted with them, and older ships also got one during a refit.

As the AI's were passed from ship-to-ship, they became the backbone of the training exercises of green crews, the advisors of the Captains, and some of the most trusted entities in Starfleet.

They made Starships more efficient, more effective in combat, and even though they were literally the voice and "mind" of the ship, they were also a valued member of the crew.

It was the way it was all explained that made the fanfic so interesting, although it was a tad confusing the way it jumped from a storyline, to a discussion, and back.

(Repeat post, only just noticed )

Don't worry, I didn't take anything you said as anything but constructive criticism, something needed for all writers to grow and develop. The whole idea of plagiarism has of course entered my mind, but more I've been worried about people trying to steal my various works across all different fields--hence the scores of old notebooks, signed and dated "testimonies" of individuals who have read some of my initial works stating them to be originals of mine, all that kind of stuff. It's sad to think that we haven't yet grown as a society to a point where these concerns could even be warranted.

In theory, designing AIs to function and think like sentient, organic beings makes sense, but I just never have seen it as incredibly practical. The furthest I ever went with that notion was the idea of the androids officially claiming themselves a homeworld, aptly named Soong. The Borg's overall goal of merging biological and technology--turning the ship almost into an extension of the organic body or vice-versa--seems more useful to me. Otherwise, where do we draw the line with sufficient population numbers? How do you create a believable technical foundation for an AI which possesses intuition and innovation? Also, if the AI has all of our good qualities--selflessness, compassion, wisdom--why wouldn't it have some of our bad ones--selfishness, anger, ego--too? I'm sure these questions could be answered, but I don't want to bother with having to try and do so when I just skip that part.

And as for the original series stuff, I actually agree. Way before my time, not really something I care at all about. Classics and all, yes, I know, but I just prefer the new stuff.

The short answer to that (In the fanfic) was that they did have some of the bad qualities!



The bad qualities were <part> of the reason why the AI's had to swear an oath of alliegance, just like any other crew member would have to.

The bad qualities were seen as a good thing by Starfleet though - fear can help a ship escape from bad situations - although it can also hamper the combat effectiveness of the ship.

Anger can help during combat, but can also make a ship uncontrollable.

And for selfishness...err...the ship witholds on power? So ya, that would be bad...

An AI would have the same problems and qualities as any other member of the crew, so it would all be a learning experience. One of the best reasons for having an AI would be their experience.

Yes, an new AI would be like a green crew member, but the AI's would be able to share their knowledge and experience, and they wouldn't die unless their ship blew up/they were deleted.

Their knowledge would be passed on, so it would be a great long-term investment for Starfleet.