Found it on CNN's home page!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/ ... index.html

It's about time they bring in fresh blood to head up the movie portion of this franchise!

They go on to say they want to do the film about kirk and spocks first meeting and there first mission. It will result in disaster i think as no one can do a young version of them.

What they should do is a another khan type film or perhaps try a exploration type film where they find something cool.

Personally i want to see a ds9 film. Set after the dominion war and the film is about the defiant going to the gamma quadrent in order to find some important mythical race that recent evidence from alpha quadrent sugests moved to the gamma quadrent.

To be brutily honest i want a tos film, i miss the georgeous enterprise models they used. Something perhaps sulu as captain of the new ship he got in undiscovered country. Think its ent b. (Excelsior was a really cool ship i thought and was very advanced for the time and would have loved to see that ship in a full episode or movie.

Guys, check out SyFy Portal. (http://www.syfyportal.com) They contracted a guy, Erik Jendresen, to write a script for XI, and he did an astounding awesome job -- a Romulan War trilogy! You won't hear much about Erik Jendressen elsewhere, he was pretty much exclusive with that site.

They pass up a Romulan War Trilogy, which would bring in people that love action films, like war films, and like Star Trek all alike, and which would also fill the only gaping holes in Star Trek canon that exist with something solid, for.. what? "The OC" in space?

Stab me with a sword and drag my fandom body through the streets like Achilles did Hector already.

It's not all doom and gloom though. As long as BOTF2 / Supremacy comes together, I could care less if the movies suck so long as I'm making my own every time I open the game on my desktop

2008 though is a ways off, too. Who knows. We'll see. It might even change between now and then. Just not an encouraging sign at all.. I even walk away with the feeling that Paramount brass really wants another failure so they can finally shout from the mountain top "See? We told you all so -- Star Trek is uncreative, unprofitabel, and has no future ; not to any fault of their own, of course! . . . </sarcasm>

For me, a Romulan War Trilogy would be something that no emoticon could ever hope to show...

I don't think a young Kirk would be the way to go, either. Shatner is the only guy who could be Kirk, and...well let's face it, he couldn't be shown as young even with all the makeup in the world now!

The only way that Trek is gonna survive is if they listen to the fans. The writers are trying to bring in new blood, but it just isn't gonna work. Make something that the fan base wants, and they make their millions. Instead they have delusions of making a film for people who will have no interest in it, and it will ultimately fail.

I personally thought Nemesis was a good film, but when I hear about the stuff that was cut from it and the changes they made, I suddenly feel an overwhelming urge to smack something.

From what it seems like so far i can't see myself queing up for advanced screenings. I agree with MOE, the Rom Wars would be fantastic for a movie

lots can change, but if they do this movie then st will be in the bin...

And lose more of the remaining devoted fans

if they devoted they stick with trek till they do what the fans want

its not a good idea if ya ask me to do a "kirk the early years moive" no1 will be able to play kirk and same with spock its kinda sad but i agree anything to do with the rom wars but instead of moveing backwards mabey to the futrue mabey a moive about the titan and its rom boreder duties i think they should make a moive about that then if it was sucsessful they could mabey go for a series about titan but if they keep going the way they are there gonna lose fans (not loyal ones) and not gain any interest from other people and then we never get what we want lol hehehe oh but yea moe rom wars sounds good lol

I think this will be a good movie.

I'm really looking forward to it.

I agree that the typical fan probably isn't gonna like the story line. (Or maybe it's the fact that it prevents another story like the Rom. War from being told). But you can't blame the corportate execs from wanting to bring in new fans. Simply put, the fan base that's out there isn't big enough to make profits. And honestly, what percentage of the generally computer-savvy trek fans won't just download the movie (if it's less than perfect)? It's demographic of mostly older people now (20's to 40's - no kids anymore) with a large proportion being men. So it's no wonder they want to appeal to a broader audience.

But having said that, I don't know what this movie can potentially accomplish. On one hand, they're trying to squeeze some life out of kirk. But this disappoints the loyal fans because they have other things they would rather see in the trek storyline. At the same time, it doesn't really attract any new ones (at least from a story perspective). What made trek great (to my knowledge) in the past was that it was so futuristic and creative. Since the mid-90's they've never really offered any advancements (the occasional upgraded shields, maybe) in the shows and thus fail to captivate any type of audience. Add to the fact that space exploration in general doesn't have nearly the intrigue that it did in the 70's to early 90's and you begin to see why nobody has a reason other than for loyalty to watch anymore.

I grew up on Star Trek. I was drawing starships in pre-school and I'll be debating/speculating about warp drive, wormholes and Trek history untill I die... I'll watch this next movie even though I don't look forward to it: I'll show support for Trek even if it's crap because I want it to continue. But I can't hold it up alone.

When push comes to shove, it's always about story telling, not subject matter. I stopped watching Enterprise because it became a soap opera and I felt icky watching it; I didn't enjoy the Undiscovered Country because it had bad flow; Generations was deadly dull and easily predictable; and I hated Nemisis for its extreme cleche and jock-pandering. All this is story telling: bad story telling!

Kahn had fire! The Borg had menace! The whales had humor. The charaters were true to themselves yet they didn't act as you expected.

Adventurous, witty, charismatic, funny... I don't get chicks 'cause I'm none of these things. Star Trek wont get new fans because the way they're telling their stories isn't either... Whether it's the Romulan Wars, Realestate Accounting or my bad hygene, it's how you present the material. A good story, a director with heart and a producer with a good eye, pick any combination of two and it'll be a hit... But I don't think Paramount really believes/strives/cares anymore and so I expect the next movie to suck.

God! I hope I'm wrong.

The redeeming factor of this is that it's being produced by the guy who made Lost. God I love that series.

If someone can make an interesting storyline out of it, he's the guy who can. Perhaps there will be some mystery in there as well...

Money-wise though:



Did you know that Star Trek has made $56 BILLION to date, kslee? Thats big profits in anyone's book - and we all know just how big the Star Trek fanbase is. I doubt there's anyone on this site alone that is anti-Trek.

yes it all sounds very nice on paper, but it was going to be a rick berman collaboration. how many chances does the guy deserve ffs?

i am absolutely delighted that they've rejected it. although the replacement idea is an absolutre stinker as well. if this movie flops it'll be the final nail...

Ok you all have a word, now its mine turn.
I didnt saw Enterprise (and I hope I wont) but it would be nice just to see what they have made of it, and give my own jugdgment about it.

New movie Star Trek XI is a peace of crap. I think they will give it so much of CGI that it would basicly come down to Nimoys and Shatners 3D scan -30 years. Like they did in new X-Men movie with Stewart.

I think that whole Hollywood is going nuts. Since Lucas started on Episode I, II and III with going back in history. So did everyone else.

New StarTrek film should have DeepSpace Nine and Voyager and The Next Generation all in one! It would be nice to battle the last stand near DS9 with Enterprise F and Voyager 2 (mine version of the story )

I saw Nimoy few weeks back on Becker (2002 TV Show). He was still holding up. I dont see why wouldnt he got back in the show.
WE ALL LOVE SPOCK! When he would apear in the movie I would piss my pants of from happynes. For real.
2008 is far away (I hope we all live to see it) but much can change. Is the movie in pre production or is it just gossip?
For me the start of the filming is signing the cast up. Then its on. For now its just hear/say.

Finaly we get to the bottom line. What StarTrek misses is its creator!
Gene Roddenberry and he aint comeing back from dead to film this new (peace of crap) movie.

The comunity of StarTrek began produceing its own shows. You have a lot of them for download from all over.

Star Trek is on the wrong traks since Enterprise.
God help them!

I actually read a news ticker which reported about this not long ago, and my heart sank the moment I found out what they were planning to do as a plot focus. Though obviously I can only speak for myself, what is interesting about going back into the past? I don't want to see the past; I basically know what happens already. Not only is writing a decent prequel insanely difficult to do unless you had the prequel in mind when you wrote the original, but it just seems out of date. The constant advancement and discovery of the unknown interests me, not going back and retelling what happened before (I hate remake movies almost without exception). Obviously, the executives running the show have a different opinion, thinking that they can reignite the old popularity of Star Trek by simply devolving further and further back into the Star Trek "makeup." It's the "stuck in the mud" phenomenon Hollywood always falls into: something gets money, no one can move past it until the mud dries up entirely and cracks away into a lump of dust.

To be honest, though, there's not a great deal of incentive in Hollywood to be original. I did an investigative article on this last fall, and actually the results I found were surprising. Overall, the original ideas made less profit than the old, rehashed storylines. My research only went back a year since I was on a deadline, but of the 7 high-grossing films (I also did this research last year before the Harry Potter movie came out, so that might need some adjusting now) pulling in over $200 million, 4 were direct remakes or prequels, two closely paralleled established genre trends (superhero and spy), leaving only one somewhat original idea. Even the stupid movies and flops (think "Deuce Bigalow: European Gigalow," "The Dukes of Hazzard," and "The Honeymooners") largely made back their low production costs plus brought in a couple million extra in box office sales alone. More original ideas like my personal favorite, "Unleashed," didn't even make back their production costs (at least at the time of my research, which was after it had been out of theaters for several months). Looking at these figures, it really gives the executives a reason NOT to bother producing fresh ideas.

In that regard, why not simply go back and retell the same story of Kirk and Spock with a slightly different twist instead of doing something new? The old storyline has a built-in fanbase that will go see it just hoping it will be good, plus if you release at the right time you'll have people who want to go to movies but have nothing else to go see. It's a game of numbers, unfortunately, not good story-telling, which doesn't mix well with a fan following as...let's politely say "observant" as the Star Trek one.

On a little aside, Nemesis could have been a great movie if they'd just taken the time to tell the story properly without trying to make Star Trek a...weird, wild western flavored...something. I'm half-tempted to write a "revised" script for it, one which actually explains how the Romulan Senate can be so easily killed, how a group of slaves managed to build a starship which puts their masters' to shame, etc. I think the trick would be that Sela had initially been cultivating Shinzon (Did I spell his name right?), but later on realizes how dangerously unstable he's becoming. Then the Scimitar could have been a project falling under the guise of yet another Romulan faction being carried out by slave laborers. Actually, even better idea, Sela plays both sides against the middle--secretly cultivating Picard Clone, supporting him in his bid for power quietly while publicly denouncing his "radical" actions, covertly sending him against the Federation only to join up with the Federation in stopping him, then assuming full control of the empire once the bad guy has been vanquished with everyone thinking she did a good deed. That sounds like a plot worthy of a Romulan, and a great setup for a sequel with her Scimitar fleet.

Who gave you access to the Tal Shiar's top secret files?

If you were to write this revision of Nemesis, Ritter, i'd be your number one fan. Let me know when you get round to writing it.

All hail ZDarby, I agree.

Nemesis I think was near-great, it just cut too many corners, and ended up.. feeling like fast food.. like Voyager's finale.. flashy, but not satisfying, not full flavored, no class.

The Romulan War would be the only prequel of Star Trek I'd ever like; you guys say you want new, unexplored things, but the Romulan War we know next to nothing of.. except that it happened, it caused the formation of Starfleet, and a lot of ass got kicked on both sides, with new species and whatnot being brought in to the fold as things progressed. Glorious battles were fought, and the foundations for TOS were layed. The founding of.. whatever form of government the Federation and its military arm Starfleet had, be it democratic or autocratic (think of even one occasion in absolute canon where the Federation held an election or even mentioned one -- there is none! There's a president, but China had a president too; not to say it wasn't bening as empires go, but it clearly wasnt democratic like the US is); given that this current decade will be marked as the decade of state-building, such a story might be strangely appropriate with all audiences. And everybody likes a war movie! Why couldn't Star Trek make an epic trilogy on par with Episode IV V VI? And while one could put a mark against it due to one of the "killer B's" being involved, but.. I'd have more hope for Berman's redemption (maybe a million hatemail letters got the message through his head) than I would this plan.


90210 in Space won't be a hit with girls because is has Star Trek in front of it; that'll keep them out better than a pair of Jem Hadar soldiers at the entry in to the theatre and with active forcefields. It'll have a low turn-out with the core fanbase because its.. 90210 in space, AND in canon terms Spock entered and graduated the Academy before Kirk, and seemingly STAYED at the academy, while Kirk was constantly posted to a multitude of different starships. And.. it's essentially pointless. And if the cut the Kobiyashi Meru scenario out, they deserve. To. Be. SHOT. If it's going to suck, at least throw us that one little bone!

Like ZDarby said though, I'll still go watch it, even if it sucks.. because it's trek.. but trying to take a path that some bonehead out of touch with the fans and trying to attract outsiders using tactics that are weak at best just isn't good for the franchise. It turns us off, and keeps everbody else even more firmly turned off.

I'm actually hoping at this point the project gets killed It seems they have interest in keeping the franchise alive, which is good; they just need to realize this isn't the way, they just need something fresh is all.

Oh, and besides, they couldn't do Kirk justice anyway. Unfortunately, women have left the kitchen behind from the days of TOS, and having Kirk hit on every female cadet, who HAS to wear the super-short mini-skirt and walk around with padds for officers to sign, spreading his seed to female cadets all across campus.. well, the whole thing will just piss of womens rights activists to no end.

CaptRingold.. I completely agree with you about Kirk pissing off women. But that assumes a substantial number of women will actually watch this or pay any attention to it.

MOE.. It's nice that trek's made 56 Billion. But all that says is that Trek used to be huge. I believe the last movie grossed less than 50 million? Right now, I don't believe the trek fan base to be large enough to be profitable. But, there's obviously the potential if the networks do a lot of what's been written here by various fans as well as being able to attract new ones.

And having read ZDarby's post, I tend to agree that no matter how we slice and dice this situation about what'll attract new fans and keep the old ones happy, it's all about storytelling.

When they cancelled Enterprise, I thought that would be the end of Trek until someone 20 years down the road decided to revive it. I'm encouraged by this latest effort but fear it'll neither capture new fans to keep the franchise going (financially) nor will it really wow the loyal fans (which just puts trek one step closer to death).

If the networks are truely trying to revive this thing for the long run, I believe they need to make a movie that'll be new for the existing and potenial fan alike. Something that'll wow everyone like the first trek episodes did. But obviously, it's difficult to 'wow' anyone these days with special effects or futuristic shows because of how much of that is already out there. So again, going back to what Z said, they need to 'wow' with storytelling. Easier said then done of course.

@Ritter:
Unleashed with Jet Lee?

@CaptRingold:
If US is democratic, than wrap me in a paper bag and call me an uncles monkey! I dont know where are you from, but you shpuld read the law of the press for US. And you will see that NSA controles everything.
Democratic. Hah!

Lets wait and see.

lol You haven't even looked at the stuff I already have, Matress, and already you want more? Boshi moi.

The problem with the Star Trek franchise is just a matter of it not appealing to a wide audience anymore. It's not an issue of people not wanting futuristic or space related stuff, it's more a lack of substance. The trick to making Sci-Fi appeal to a large audience--including people who don't particularly care for the genre--is to make the science fiction parts window dressing to a larger story of humanity. Battlestar Galactica--in a close match with South Park and the Daily Show for best show on TV--stars conflicted, constantly evolving people who happen to be trapped in space ships fleeing from killer robots who nuked their planets. Watching the show, you can easily forget about that somewhat odd part of it as the characters are so richly developed.

Star Trek, at least what I've seen over the last few years, seems to largely focus on aliens and space stuff to carry the people's imagination. While I love seeing all the cool gadgets and things which can be thought up, and the more ships the happier I am, if I just wanted to stare at space ships I'd spend my time online going through every picture fans can make. Plus, if the whole point is going to be displaying more advanced ships, why then would I want to go backwards into the past to bulbs with cigarettes stuck in them?

Anyway, that's just my opinion. If they can actually create an in-depth, captivating story with old (meaning familiar, not necessarily age) people, then I guess why not go for it? Still, I think going into the past at all is a mistake, although I don't really think following Riker and the Titan is the way to go, either--Riker is getting pretty old and large, hardly the awe-inspiring hero who should be roaming the ship beating up bad guys, plus we've already seen so much of him. Perhaps a good, captivating, "epic" movie they could do right now would focus on the return of Captain Sisko--something which I've already planned out in my own work, but could see done in the movies--or perhaps an exploration of what Wesley has been doing. The latter would offer a chance for Gates McFadden, a great actress in my opinion, to really show off some of her skills.

And, yes, the movie with Jet Li. He's a skilled actor, and I wish I was half the martial artist he is.

yea i see what you mean about riker but i have to admit sisko comeing back would be a very good moive you shoud bloody do it instead of the asses that are in charge now lol

and i know what ya mean with the more in depth plots and story it was sometimes dull with trek although i do love it it still sometimes was lol

i couldn't agree more.

trek is stuck in a formulaic approach that is twenty years old - and it shows. it worked for tng, but the genre has evolved since then and the franchise simply hasn't kept up.

it's not a coincidence that the best episodes of enterprise for example were character pieces - twilight, the forgotten etc. the scifi setting offers a rich and different background with which to ground characters, but the characters themselves are the most important.

there should be a large piece of paper nailed onto a wall in the writing room at paramount when/if a new trek series is born. on it, in large writing should be these unbreakable golden rules -
1/ technobabble can be ok for setting up a story but not for solving the plot.
2/ reset buttons are bad mmmmkay.
3/ the words character and depth are not diametrically opposed.
4/ the holodeck does not provide good drama. it is in fact corny and cliched.
5/ for every action, there is a reaction (nee consequence).
6/ characters that are a picture of perfection make for very poor drama.

tos worked so well because it was essentially a story about three men - kirk, spock and mccoy (mostly kirk). somehow that's been lost and now the focus is too heavy on clever scifi plotting or technobabble.

WOW, now that is something i would have rather seen!!!!

A scimitar fleet wouldn't be realistic to me Because then the question is how did they build such a fleet in such a short time? Now I am happy they have anounced a new movie And in time we will see if its crap or not.....just don't be so negatief and enjoy the show My question is will they use a new ship model or just the nice constitution.....

I think that they will not use real model. Its going to be CGI all the way.
Petty, I liked the model. It was a masterpeace to shoot it, let alone build one.

The Constitution (Refit) was a real beauty, but from the old era ships, it's the Excelsior that does it for me. And yet she's got so little screen time...

If they were to do the old era, then the Excelsior is the only thing that I could accept. Give me more Sulu - he hasn't aged like Shatner!

Well the time of TOS acters is long over.
Maybe there will be some new faces?

But i hope if that happened Paramount would'nt fall down the hole of using the Enterprise with different crew or having another enterprise made up. The voyages of the Excelsior would be swell though. Or maybe the voyages of the Titan with trying to make peace with Romulans?

If this ship is named Enterprise somebody, Shoot me Yes I agree they should name it excelsior or titan.....and ofcorse they will use a CGI ship .....and I agree sulu would be nice to see in a movie one more time.

Given the dominance of the religious right in the states, Paramount wouldn't go near George Takei right now. Certainly not as a leading man at any rate.