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I don't suppose either of you happen to have any gold, do you? I just want a small amount to stick in my bank, but the only traders I can find who have any seem to either be embroiled in wars and unable to afford it or in a different universe. A regular colony ship--without hyperdrive--would be great as well, while I'm in beggar mode since there's a nice little gem of a planet in my solar system awaiting colonization.

P.S. I'm a translator for the game now, (must be desperate :P ) so if you notice things which need translation (German, I don't know French) or just things which need correcting, feel free to pass them on to me so I can send them on to the admins in my next volley of corrections.


09 Jun 2006, 22:18
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trasnslation ehh?

sorry, im fluent in german, dont need your help.

I happen to be far weaker than you, so I doubt i can help you with that gold or that colony ship.

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As far as I can tell you have no need for gold when your in universe 2. If you do need it, then you wont need it until much later on in the game. my mate who's in universe 1 has been playing for almost 2 months, and hes only just started needing it.

And as far as he knows he cant trade with me across universes. He cant get gold either.

Cant help with colony ships either as im struggling in the defense part. Im concentrating on researched and construction mostly (spending resources when i can) and slowly getting one ship at a time.

Also ive mentioned this before but you need to build up your researches first really to get stronger weapons! The ships you build now are too weak, and you need to open up stronger lasers and missiles. Thats what ive done/doing.

I've got loads of crystals if any one needs some, as im mostly using pig iron (which i desperatly need!)

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09 Jun 2006, 23:11
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For gold, as far as I know you can only get it in Universe 1 - which is so full with people that are after gold that they're apparently fighting over even small rocks!

...So no, none of us have any.

As for building ships, I havenm't got any coz they simply take too long to build and cost too much. It's hard enough trying to get the idiots to stop attacking me!

Because of this, I simply can't build ships at the moment - let alone Hyperdrive ones! I don't even have the tech for that, and probably won't for a looong time.

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Translations eh? I use Altavista to do the translations for me. Ok then...

Trade Screen
If I try to send someone more resources than i can aford, i'm told "Nicht genug Rohstoffe" (Not enough raw materials according to Altavista)

Production Screen
If I try to build a tactical weapon but I don't have enough weapons onboard, i'm told "Angriffswert für Taktische Waffe zu niedrig" (Attack value for tactical weapon too low according to Altavista)

If I give Tactical Weapons shields or hull plating, i'm told "Taktische Waffe kann keine Verteidigungsmaßnahmen ergreifen" (Tactical weapon cannot seize defensive measures according to Altavista)

If I give any fuselage other than a Tactical weapon a Conventional Explosive Charge, i'm told that "Komponente kann nur in Taktische Waffe verbaut werden" (Component can be blocked only into tactical weapon according to Altavista)

Production Screen General Nitpicks
The stats for Nuclear-Thermal engines are wrong. Instead of saying, for example, -450btns +300Mj, it says "-30 % mG 30 % mG" The resource cost is also wrong for Nuclear-Thermal engines, as it states the cost as *) 115 Pig Iron, *) 230 Crystals, *) 805 Orizin, *) 345 Frurozin. The *) symbols shouldn't be there.

ion booster, missiles, cargo box, and cargo docks need capitalisation on this screen.


That's everything I can think of, for now.

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Never mind the colony ship thing, actually. I thought about it more afterwards and realized that--based off of the screenshots posted--you're all so ridiculously far away from me that the cost of sending a ship (I forgot they have to travel under their own power) would be outrageous.

As for the gold, the whole reason I wanted to get some is because I know I don't need it yet. It can only be mined in Galaxy 1, but I don't think that's exclusive to either universe. I spoke with a dealer from Universe 2 who claimed to have a planet in Galaxy 1 but was too consumed with wartime production to spend resources building gold mines. Since I don't want to have anything to do with Galaxy 1, I just want to get a small handful while I don't need it, drop it in the bank, and let it grow as long as possible since I know it'll take forever to be of any real value. Apparently, it's necessary for some of the higher level ships/weapons/defenses/etc.

From what I've seen, it really sounds like spending resources on defense--until you have maybe high-end medium lasers and shields/mines--is a waste, especially if you have a powerful enemy attacking. It sounds as though you'd be better off building ships when you can, then send the ships away when an enemy fleet is approaching to "protect" them. When the threat is over, you can have them return. In this way, you can continue to build up your "defenses" without them being blasted to pieces each attack, like the defense stations seem to be. As long as you play with the bank--or now the trade center to a trustworthy player--you can also protect your resources when attacked. Everything I've seen says that your planetary infrastructure can't be damaged by bombardment or conquered, so the attacker would just be wasting fuel sending fleets back and forth. It might be annoying, but ultimately pointless.

As for the translations, I'll certainly offer help if/when I can and you need it, but I was more thinking of if you notice things which should be changed for other players who might not know German. I don't want to send in any more today since I already gave a whole list of simple corrections to be made (including some of the capitalization and punctuation problems you mentioned, Matress), but tomorrow's a new day.

I'm actually surprised that the computer program translates as well as it seems to for you, although there are a couple of things rather messed up. In case you were wondering (and I'm sure General will correct me if I mess these up):

"Taktische Waffe kann keine Verteidigungsmaßnahmen ergreifen" basically means "Tactical weapons can't support/be equipped with defensive measures."

"Komponente kann nur in Taktische Waffe verbaut werden" essentially translates to "Component can only be built into tactical weapons."


09 Jun 2006, 23:53
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that looks good.

never heard of the word "Verteidigungsmaßnahmen" though

well, im still building my 38 light cannons, that sould destroy anything he sends at me. THanks for the advice on the defense though.

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36 Batteries? I have 106 on my main account, and i'm still building. I'm gonna carry on building them, but now that I can trade resources, it's made my life a bit easier.

Defenses on their own are weak - but as you research more stuff, they get stronger. You can also build Mine fields and Planetary Shields and Defense Contingents and Atmospheric Ionisers and Missile Silos and Plasma Towers and Antimatter Missiles.

...So your defenses WILL grow. I've proved that you can fight off an atack, coz i've done it once already. He just cam back for more before I even knew i'd been attacked the first time... :(

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well, my batteries are almost done, and I have upgaded them.

I have sent one more probe to double check their defenses, and then my warships (3 old ones, and im saving up for 1 new one)

my new one has an attack of 564 and defense of 0.

thats almost triple of my old 'armada''s attack. Its a tactical weapon... so no defense :( but unluckily, it requires 3795+ frurozin per ship, but almost nothing of everything else.

and my warships may be weak compared to you guys, but they're good enough compared to how far I have advanced.

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Just to double-check, you know that tactical weapons are one-time use things, right?

hehehe I've found a much better defense than any orbital batteries.


10 Jun 2006, 19:58
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yep, i know.

but a one time use weapon that can do 500 damage will clear the path for my less powerful warships.

oh yeah, and I upgraded my design, to remove my plasma things. NOw it does over 800 damage.

I lack the funds though... so im sending my 3 ships in... an hour.

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Do tactical weapons actually take out planetary defenses, though? I know they can take out ships if they are advanced enough. I take it you went with the explosive charges instead of plasma to raise the offensive power? Those seem to work much better.


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yes, my original design had 50-50 split on the charges and plasma, but I remembered that it would be better to go pure charges, so I changed my design.

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General_Nemitor wrote:
yep, i know.

I lack the funds though... so im sending my 3 ships in... an hour.


What resources do you need? Im currently building lots of things which will take 16 hours + so I can send you some if you need some. (not pig iron tho! plenty of crystals)

Im avoiding attacking other poeple at the moment. Its a really vague subject for me and not sure how it all works, and I dont want to waste my resources doing it! However im happy to send you stuff and watch! lol

Currently trying to open up medium lasers for my planet, but ive negletcted my 'defense station' and its still L2, so ive got a long way to go!

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crystal mostly

Its alright though - I'll have my supplies back up in a few hours, its ok.

Matress - The trade DIDNT work. I never recieved the crystal.

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You what?!

I'll report it in the forums. There's a bug that causes resources to simply dissappear mid-trade. Both people get told they've arrived, but they never do. :(

...It can also happen to your FLEETS, so be careful!

*Edit - ok, this is wierd. I was sure there was a thread on this specific subject, coz I remember reading it. I can't find it though. I've used the search function and i've manually gone through several pages of threads, but I can't find anything. :?

...And we wish the serach function worked on THIS site... :roll: :lol:

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**Edit the second - evil things! Coz i'm getting more powerful, my interest rate at the X-Wars bank has dropped! It used to be 10%, but it's now 9.92%.

That doesn't sound like much of a drop, but it'll continue to drop from now on! :cry:

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I haven't heard about fleets disappearing, but I remember reading a forum that talked about every now and then resources not appearing in the bank (after the waiting period for the next calculation point). Then again, I only go into the forums looking for specific answers, so maybe it's a thread I haven't looked at.

The more powerful you get, the less your interest is going to be. At some point, you'll even get a negative interest rate--meaning you lose resources--although researching trade and improving the bank is supposed to help compensate for this. The reason for the lowering is that the bank is supposed to be a way for weaker players to play catch-up and protect their resources. Think about if you had a top 100 player with a high level bank. They'd have no reason to worry about defenses or anything since they could simply keep all of their resources stashed away in the bank until they need to use them on some important project. Since you can only really be sure of attacking defenses and resources, the bank could theoretically make a high-level player invincible. Not the best for encouraging gameplay.

P.S. Matress, did that guy ever stop attacking you finally?


11 Jun 2006, 15:37
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Nope! He's attacked me twice today, and there's ANOTHER fleet on it's way in just under two hours. It's absolutely ridiculous. What did I ever do to him? I'd never even heard of him until he started attacking me. :evil:

As for Fleets disappearing, there are several threads:

Fleet "Hanging in the Universe"
Ships don't come back
Disparition of Fleet

All the bugs that happen in the game seem to be random, so I think people just have to be really lucky with the game, rather than simply than avoiding particular actions...

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I know this might be pointless, but is it possible that the ships and such have actually fallen victim to external espionage? Stealings and destroying ships are both potential espionage tricks, so could that have happened? Or just think of it as a random event. Your crews got drunk and decided to have their own "Galactica" style adventure.

Is it the same guy, Terrab? And has he managed to plunder any of your resources during his attacks? I ask these questions because I may be able to help now.


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Matress_of_evil wrote:
**Edit the second - evil things! Coz i'm getting more powerful, my interest rate at the X-Wars bank has dropped! It used to be 10%, but it's now 9.92%.


make a secondary account, but a massive fleet outside, and send all your money there.

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Yep, it's Terab EVERY time, and according to my reports, (I've kept all 17 of them) so far he's stolen:

Pig-Iron: 21,995
Crystals: 16,857
Frubin: 13,889
Orizin: 2,005
Frurozin: 27,360
Gold: None obviously lol

Wow...he has taken a lot from me, hasnt he?

He often attacks late at night or early in the morning so I don't have a chance to do anything about my resources. On average, he attacks me 2-5 times a day, and he's already attacked me five times today!

What can you do about it though, ritter? If you stopped people attacking each other, there wouldn't be any point in the game. this guy is just being excessive, thats all. Besides, i'm using my second account to ship over resources straight after his attacks so I can build defense stations. I'm currently building a level 4 defense station, but it'll probably need to be level 25 or something before my plan to defeat him will work properly. :(

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I already have a secondary acount, General, and i've explained to you already what i'm doing with it. :wink:

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I posted this before I read your explanation :)

-edit-

finally I found someone with around my points!
muahahaha... finally I get to use my armada before they become antiquidated.

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MOE is there any way i can help with your attacks? i have those suicide bombers, that could help a little, altho im not sure how to send dtuff to you like ships. Is it possible?

i currently have 5 ships with an attack of about 550....could help altho they have no defense!

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So you...don't want me to make him stop? Ok, I won't then. I guess it's not a guarantee that I could have, anyway, but there's a very strong possibility that I could. If you change your mind, let me know and I'll see what I can do, though it'll probably cost you a decent amount of fuel.


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Well if you can, then do it! :mrgreen:

I just thought that the "powers that be" wouldn't agree with you, that's all, Ritter.

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Yeah, you CAN send ships to other people's aid, Stumpy. Click on the "Fleets" button on the left, then click on the "Space Dock" button at the top, then make a name for your Fleet and click "Create Fleet".

Next, click on "Fleet Command" and click on "Orders". In the boxes, specify the target system and Planet, then click on Defend (Please don't attack me! :lol:) and click "Proceed".

You'll notice that there is a "colonise" option listed as well... :wink:

Oh, and you can send resources to other people through this screen as well - as long as your ships actually have the ability to transport cargo, of course. :wink:

This method is cheaper - but slower - than trading, because you don't have to pay the 10% resource premium. You DO however have a Frurozin cost for moving your ships, since Frurozin is the fuel for your ships.

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Okay, I've sent you 2 ships for now, coz i didnt want to waste them if they're no good to you. Its goona take 6 hours tho! So you'll get them at 4 in the morning! lol Also they're no good as planetry defense, so you have to send them out! lol

I've tried creating a new fleet with defense, but its no good coz then i can only add 2 weapons and it has terrible attack. (100/40 so whats the point!)

Still having a huge crisis with pig iron! just cant produce enough of it! Im on levels 23 and 22 on both accounts! grr need it for all the good stuff too!

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Give me about 48 hours. In the meantime, try to keep some frurozin on hand as I'm fairly certain this will be costly in fuel if it works. I might also need to know the average stength of the fleets being sent and coordinates of the planet(s) under attack, but I'll tell you if that information is needed.


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Welcome raiden_rse!

matress - I would help, but I've got my own war to fight.

HOLY ****!!!!!!!

im screwed so bad... its not funny.

i mean, my probe said nooo, no enemy defenses. Then a few hours later, hes got TONS GODDAMN TONS!

heres the battle report:

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im going to need a far bigger army, which I happen to be building at this time.

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god need more iron on 1 account, yet strangly dont in the other


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Raiden, there are different Planets that you can colonise in the game. Some give bonuses in one resource, some give bonuses in another.

Most people start off with an M class world (No bonus) but you might be lucky.

if you click on "Overview" (Top button on the left) it'll tell you what type of Planet you have.

Check Here to see what sort of bonuses your Planet has. :wink:

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Ritter, I was attacked twice more last night, bringing the grand total up to 19 now.

He took another:

Pig-Iron: 10,044
Crystals: 4,359
Frubin: 1,365
Orizin: 1,372
Frurozin: 5,115

Making a grand total of:

Pig-Iron: 21,995 + 10,044 = 32,039
Crystals: 16,857 + 4,359 = 21,216
Frubin: 13,889 + 1,365 = 15,254
Orizin: 2,005 + 1,372 = 3,377
Frurozin: 27,360 + 5,115 = 32,475
Gold: Still none! :lol:

Not only did he destroy 10 of my Light Laser Batteries, he also destroyed the ship I sent from my other account to help defend me.

There was no sign of your fleet though, Stumpy!

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General, don't worry about it. Concentrate on defending yourself. I'll exact my revenge on Terrab one day. Maybe not today, maybe not next month, but one day... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Besides, Ritter is trying to help me, anyway.

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Raiden-BOTF, Scorpian-BOTF, and Billy, welcome to the alliance! :mrgreen:

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