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jigalypuff
Jig of the Puff
Joined: 10 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 1305 Location: I wish i knew
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federation
enterprise era
NX-O1, NX-02,
tos era
miranda mk1, daudless, constitution, excelsior, ambassador(upgrades from connie)
tng era
miranda mk2, intrpeid (upgrades from miranda) galaxy, nebula, oberth(science ship) akira (heavy cruiser) soverign (dreadnought) defiant(heavy destroyer) nove (upgrades from oberth)
(please post any you feel should be in i know you all love the feds ships)
cardassians
enterprise era
i have yet to make them
tos era go look i made them already
tng
galor, hutet, bakrus, keldon, kullinor hidiki
klingons
enterprise era
d6, d7, raptor (i finaly found a pic so i can make one)
tos era
d7 d9 (did the klingons have a bop in tos?)
tng era
b`rel bop, (two types) k`t`inga, k`vort, vorcha, negh`var
romulans
ent era
we have only seen 1 ship type i need a pic (may need to make some variations on it so we have more than 1 type)
tos era
the bop, as above, just not enough ships from then
tng era
warbird valdore schimitar (any light cruisers or destroyers in the rom fleet?)
i think this will do for the beta, but please add the ships you want as well.
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20 Oct 2004, 01:06 |
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SonOfMogh
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Joined: 20 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 690 Location: UK
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I think this is a really good list for the beta, no point getting carried away.
When you say "upgrades from" do you mean it just replaces it in the build queue? There won't be ships transforming into other ships will there.
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20 Oct 2004, 01:13 |
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jigalypuff
Jig of the Puff
Joined: 10 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 1305 Location: I wish i knew
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yes no autoupgrades, it will replace it in the build q
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20 Oct 2004, 01:17 |
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SonOfMogh
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Joined: 20 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 690 Location: UK
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I'd like to see the Constellation, but as a cruiser rather than a fast attack.
I also think Oberth belongs in tos, with nova replacing it in tng.
I'll stop now though. I guess you'll be able to mod in whatever you like anyways.
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20 Oct 2004, 01:18 |
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SonOfMogh
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Joined: 20 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 690 Location: UK
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jigalypuff wrote: yes no autoupgrades, it will replace it in the build q
Fantastic news!!!!
No build queue full of obsolete ships. I assume then if you mod the game you'll be able to have any ship replace any other in the build queue? That'll be sweet.
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20 Oct 2004, 01:21 |
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marky
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Joined: 05 Oct 2004, 01:00 Posts: 77 Location: Starfleet Command
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dont forget the refitted excelsiors
and the mirandas with the "roll bars"
and the mediteranean class and other classes from tng
i have an idea
ENT ERA - 2100-2220
TOS ERA - 2220-2325
TNG ERA- 2325-2379
wat about that?
also there are oldewr ships whci h have been refitted, so they should be included in the tng era too right?
will the titan class be included?
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20 Oct 2004, 01:49 |
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marky
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Joined: 05 Oct 2004, 01:00 Posts: 77 Location: Starfleet Command
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and dont forget the cardie Hideki class
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20 Oct 2004, 01:51 |
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jigalypuff
Jig of the Puff
Joined: 10 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 1305 Location: I wish i knew
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what did you think the mk1 miranda was?
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20 Oct 2004, 02:00 |
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marky
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Joined: 05 Oct 2004, 01:00 Posts: 77 Location: Starfleet Command
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ill go threu my encyclopedia and get a list
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20 Oct 2004, 02:04 |
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raiden_rse
Lieutenant Junior Grade
Joined: 17 Oct 2004, 01:00 Posts: 238 Location: derby,midlands, england
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dont forget it wont really be time date ya get ships at, more when you get to a certain level reasearch
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20 Oct 2004, 02:11 |
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omniq
Lieutenant Junior Grade
Joined: 20 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 213 Location: Massachusetts
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how 'bout the other kind of science vessel, shown as the U.S.S. Raven in Voy (perhaps as a diff. era sci. ship)
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20 Oct 2004, 02:14 |
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jigalypuff
Jig of the Puff
Joined: 10 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 1305 Location: I wish i knew
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two types of science ship could work, one upgradeing from the other. like oberth to the one you mention (class name escapes me)
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20 Oct 2004, 02:23 |
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omniq
Lieutenant Junior Grade
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the class name isn't mentioned anywhere, only the ship name
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20 Oct 2004, 02:38 |
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SonOfMogh
Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 20 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 690 Location: UK
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I'd prefer the Nova to the Raven, unless anyone objects.
The ships all belong to their original era, if they are upgraded to stay partially useful they still belong to the era they were built in.
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20 Oct 2004, 08:07 |
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marky
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Joined: 05 Oct 2004, 01:00 Posts: 77 Location: Starfleet Command
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wow
i agree that we should use the nova class instead of the raven
the raven was a private and much less capable ship
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20 Oct 2004, 14:01 |
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jigalypuff
Jig of the Puff
Joined: 10 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 1305 Location: I wish i knew
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i think he was refering to ransoms ship. which i believe was a nova class.
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20 Oct 2004, 14:33 |
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marky
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Joined: 05 Oct 2004, 01:00 Posts: 77 Location: Starfleet Command
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he was
i think
USS EQUINOX
Nova class science starship
-LIST-
heres the list of tng era ships ive gotten so far
List of federal ships
Ambassador- heavy cruiser
Defiant - eascort
Akira- heavy cruise
Steamrunner -cruiser
Norway
Reneisance
Saber - destroyer
Soverign
Prometheus
Intrepid
Miranda
Constellation
Andeomeda
Antares
Apollo
Bradbury
Centaur
Challenger
Cheyenne
Chimera
Daedalus
Curry
Danube
Deneva – freighter
Escelsior and excelsior refits – heavy cruiser
Consititution – heavy cruiser
Freedom
Hokule’a – heavy cruisr
Instanbul – transport
Korolev
Mediteranean – freighter
Merced
Nebula – cruiser/exp[eplorer
New Orleans – frigate
Niagra
Nova – science ship
Oberth – cience ship
Olympic – hospital ship
Rigel
Reneisance
Scout – datas scout – 24 meters long
Soyuz
Sydney – transport
Yeager
Yorkshire – transport
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20 Oct 2004, 14:36 |
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jigalypuff
Jig of the Puff
Joined: 10 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 1305 Location: I wish i knew
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are you on drugs? we want a list of ships for the game, not every ship on starfleet this would be way to much.
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20 Oct 2004, 14:50 |
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marky
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for the last time
im NOT on drugs
i simply presented a list of fed ships that i have so far
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20 Oct 2004, 14:53 |
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jigalypuff
Jig of the Puff
Joined: 10 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 1305 Location: I wish i knew
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and what would you propose we do with it, it`s to many ships, we can`t have this many, what would they all do?
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20 Oct 2004, 14:54 |
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marky
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Joined: 05 Oct 2004, 01:00 Posts: 77 Location: Starfleet Command
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its an INITIAL list Puff
im going to start weeding them
but i posted them also to see wat ppl thought
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20 Oct 2004, 15:03 |
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SonOfMogh
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Joined: 20 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 690 Location: UK
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That's too many for any game.
Only thing I ask, is please make sure there are a few spare slots available.
Was a pain squeezing your favourites into botf.
Your list was good, I'd only add, hideki, nova, constellation, and any other made up alien ships. The steamrunner's a cool ship, but perhaps not necessary.
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20 Oct 2004, 15:04 |
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iwulff
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Joined: 18 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 884 Location: Germany
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Well i just would like to have the best known vessels in the game, i could always mod they others in.
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20 Oct 2004, 15:05 |
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SonOfMogh
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Exactly, I really think that list has it covered. I'd mod loads in over time, but the official release has to have a sense of balance etc.
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20 Oct 2004, 15:16 |
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jigalypuff
Jig of the Puff
Joined: 10 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 1305 Location: I wish i knew
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i already added the nova and hidiki, i forgot about the constellation though.
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20 Oct 2004, 15:35 |
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marky
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these ships shopuld be in
Ambassador- heavy cruiser
Defiant
Akira- heavy cruise
Steamrunner
Norway
Saber
Soverign
Prometheus
Intrepid
Miranda
Constellation
Centaur
Curry – transport/carrier/freighter/assault ship
Danube – already in
Deneva – freighter
Escelsior and excelsior refits – heavy cruiser – already in
Consititution – heavy cruiser – in the game
Mediteranean – freighter
Nebula – cruiser/exp[eplorer – in the game
New Orleans – frigate
Nova
Oberth – cience ship
Olympic – hospital ship – could be used for evacuations
Rigel – ships like akagi and tolstoy
Scout – datas scout – 24 meters long – deployed from starbases?
Sydney – transport
especially the well known ones
akira
steamrunner
saber
centaur
excelsior - all refits
i certainly wouldnt mind being able to build all of those ships that were widely used during the war
and wat about the older ships used during the klingon war?
rutledge
tecumseh
armstrong
drake
they were of older classes
certain classes of ships shouldnt be replaced in favor of others
and dont forget the nebulas, they were widley used too
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SonOfMogh
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I think that's perhaps still too many, and there's no need for unknown ships like the rigel or curry.
Just to clear this all up then, ships or the same type will replace one another in the build queue when researched. Looking at it category by category. This is how I personally would do it.
SCIENCE SHIPS
Daedalus (nx/tos era)
Oberth (tos era) replaces daedalus
Nova (tng era, late on) replaces oberth
MULTIPURPOSE STARSHIPS
Nx-01
Nx-02
Constitution (tos era) replaces nx classes, upgrades to movies refit
Excelsior (late tos era)
Ambassador (late tos/early tng) replaces cons
Galaxy/Nebula (tng) replaces ambassador
Sovereign (late tng) replaces excelsior
BATTLESHIPS/OTHERS
Intrepid (nx era) not the voyager one
Miranda (tos era- around cons refit time) replaces intrepid
Constellation (tos- around excelsior time)
Akira (tng- before galaxy) replaces constellation
Intrepid (u don't know..) replaces miranda
Defiant
Prometheus
I'm bound to have missed something.... I think the biggest objection I'll get is that everything gets replaced. However you don't want the miranda clogging up the build queue when you could build an intrepid etc etc etc.
The first intrepid is the ship name not the class name, was in an ent ep.
The Excelsior doesn't get replaced for ages- mainly because it's cool.
Regarding upgrades. I think each ship except for tng era ones should have 2 upgrades, (1 for tng ships).
The first upgrade becomes available exactly between when the ship is researched and when it's replaced.
The second is available when it's actually replaced, that way you won't build any of this configuration as they will be completely outdated, yet you are able to at least bring the older ships somewhere near the newer ones.
If this gets a good reaction I'll do the klings...
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20 Oct 2004, 16:12 |
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jigalypuff
Jig of the Puff
Joined: 10 Sep 2004, 01:00 Posts: 1305 Location: I wish i knew
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the daudless is a tos era ship, which intrepid class was in enterprise? if there is one then we have 3 ships for feds ent era which is enough i reckon.
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20 Oct 2004, 16:29 |
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SonOfMogh
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Well the daedalus predates the constitution, figured it could be between ent and tos somewhere.
If the nx is capable of limited scientific study, we won't need a science ship as such for ent era.
The intrepid was in an ep called the expanse, never watched it- just seen screencaps on various fan sites. It's apparently a bit older than the nx (warp3 or something) but looks really mean. You could start with a handful of these, and have the nx-01 as the brand new ship at the beginning.
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20 Oct 2004, 16:35 |
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marky
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Joined: 05 Oct 2004, 01:00 Posts: 77 Location: Starfleet Command
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SonOfMogh wrote: I think that's perhaps still too many, and there's no need for unknown ships like the rigel or curry.
Just to clear this all up then, ships or the same type will replace one another in the build queue when researched. Looking at it category by category. This is how I personally would do it.
SCIENCE SHIPS
Daedalus (nx era)
Oberth (tos era) replaces daedalus
Nova (tng era, late on) replaces oberth
MULTIPURPOSE STARSHIPS
Nx-01 Nx-02
Constitution (tos era) replaces nx classes, upgrades to movies refit Excelsior (late tos era) Ambassador (late tos/early tng) replaces cons
Galaxy/Nebula (tng) replaces ambassador Sovereign (late tng) replaces excelsior
BATTLESHIPS/OTHERS
Intrepid (nx era) not the voyager one
Miranda (tos era- around cons refit time) replaces intrepid Constellation (tos- around excelsior time)
Akira (tng- before galaxy) replaces constellation Intrepid (u don't know..) replaces miranda Defiant Prometheus
I'm bound to have missed something.... I think the biggest objection I'll get is that everything gets replaced. However you don't want the miranda clogging up the build queue when you could build an intrepid etc etc etc.
The first intrepid is the ship name not the class name, was in an ent ep.
The Excelsior doesn't get replaced for ages- mainly because it's cool.
Regarding upgrades. I think each ship except for tng era ones should have 2 upgrades, (1 for tng ships).
The first upgrade becomes available exactly between when the ship is researched and when it's replaced. The second is available when it's actually replaced, that way you won't build any of this configuration as they will be completely outdated, yet you are able to at least bring the older ships somewhere near the newer ones.
If this gets a good reaction I'll do the klings...
well theyd be distributed over the level 1 2 and 3 shipyards
and the curry is a known ship
and the rigel class included the USS AKAGI, which was mentioned in a repair report made by colonel kira
i dont think the soverieng should replace the excelsior
i thinkm the escelosior should supplement the soveriign
rmember there were and are many more excelsiors than there are soveriengs
and i dont thni the miranda or the constellation should be replaced
as they were both used during the dominion war and HEAVILY in the case of the miranda class
i think that only some of the ships should get replaced and other should be refitted as they were in trek
and another thing
THE RELIANCE ON MODS IS TOO HEAVY
ships that were used THROUGHOUT THE DOMINION WAR -
Akira
defiant
glaxy
excelsior
norway
steamrunner
miranda
saber
constellation
intrepid and prometheus to a smaller degree
yes, sum of the older ships maybe should be replaced but the rest should be refitted as they were in trek
and the infamous curry can still be used as a transport/freighter etc
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20 Oct 2004, 16:37 |
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