When I first got back I started browsing through the topics and at one point spent some time looking at the ship and station topics and noticed that the Federation is not being represented. Is this some simple oversigt, grudge, or pergaps a Romulan conspiracy.... Winterhawk, we are all aware of the feelings of inferiority Romulans have when dealing with the Federation... Are they to blame for this... oversight?

I voted 'yes', even though I'm fairly certain the reason is that the Federation ships and stations have long since been finalized, whereas the other races still might need to be fleshed out a bit.

I voted yes, since I think its a romulan plot to get back at us for conquering them twice.

It seems as thou there may be something to my theory since everyone so far is in agreement.

How Dare you state that We would do such a thing? Why would we wish to aquire information from such a limited and childish race as the Federation?

Aside from the fact that you finally acknowledge we are the Superior Race,
it would be beneath us to do such things.

Perhaps if you investigated a bit further you would see that another puny race (much like yourselves) may have done this. Have you investigated the Ferengi or perhaps your dogs the Klingons? Maybe even the Cardiassions did this to you.

Openly blame us much longer and you could find yourselves, at the dangerious end of our disrupters.


[ hahahahaha I love to play a diplomat for the ROMULAN STAR EMPIRE ]

No comment.

yeah, thats why we lost how many ships when we invaded you? Zero? MAYBE one? Next game, remind me to conquer you early

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Winterhawk - I checked your account remotely today. Somethings wrong on your end, I can log in fine as you into the system. Maybe your cache or cookies. Allegiance uses some nice cookies that may be causing those problems.

If the Romulans truly are innocent Winterhawk then why have you/they not produced evidence proving so. Is not that the way your justice system works, guilty until proven innocent? Why then should you be upset? Besides, the Ferangi, Cardassians, and Klingons have no one near as vocal as do the Romulans. Also, the Romulan agents present in the forums, yourself included Winterhawk, have often professed your belief that the Federation is inferior. A belief only frustrated by the fact that most people on the forums express Federation symathies or allegience and are quick to site past Federation victories over your "Glorious Romulan Star Empire."

Circumstantial evidence indicates that the Romulan Empire would have a vested interest in insuring that that the ammunition of opponents be limited in order to limit open comparisons between the Federation and Romulan Star Empire, most notably in regards to technology. The reason for this is that whatever the information released and regardless of any true comparisons that may make the Romulan Star Empire look more 'superior' would simply be turned on its head by the Federation advocates or overlooked and information heralding the 'superiority' of the Federation would be the dominant topic. Thereby ruining the image of the Romulan Star Empire.

Since you have asked for evidence it has now been provided. The remaining facts and details remain classified and therefore will not be discussed. The burden of proof now falls to the agents and advocates of the Romulan Star Empire to prove that it is in fact innocent.

nice speech.

however, let winterhawk have his fun

i mean, the first two games of Allegiance were a bit unfair. I mean, the dev vs. a bunch of noobs. I knew the game inside and out (mostly) at the time of the games, so I had a HUGE advantage from the start. Plus there was a slight communication problem that resulted in the invasion in the first place. We originally just wanted to place our massive warships in orbit around Romulus and see what would happen

dont worry Winterhawk, the teams for the next testing phase will be much more fair, plus im going to be releasing a tutorial for all the new features as well. (The Alpha 5 phase didnt go out as planned, well it went out, but there were some major bugs that didnt allow it to be played after all.)

Nem, I did a full check over of my computer system. It was not the problem. I also did some digging into my IE 7. Thats where the problem was. seems it jammed itself up. Wasting 6 hours dumping cookies and other various programs I have , then testing it to no avail, i finally did a system restore along with taking out IE 7 then reloading it. That worked.
lol First time in a lot of years I had over 30 mails in my inbox at once! lol

Anyhow I am back and running again! Now onward to the fun


[ You all need to tell me how I'm doing being a diplomat for my Rommies]


Mr Ambassador FoxURA,

Observation of these procedings can only lead me to Defend the STAR EMPIRE and its citizens.

You ask me to produce evidence of our innocence. Evidence tht shows we as a race are responsable for the blunderings of a race that thrives on interference, violating thier own Prime Directive at thier whim, as well as thier seething drive to to claim all of the Universe regardless of quadrant as there own? Proof? You ask for Proof? I will show you proof!

While we were quiet within our own borders the Federation sent ships to spy on our development.. Moreso when offered a non aggression treaty which they agreed to uphold then turn around and emass a large fleet with orders to not only cross our respective borders but to encircle our Great homeworld.

Proof?
Here is a comunacation that was intercepted just before we were invaded.

[ We originally just wanted to place our massive warships in orbit around Romulus and see what would happen ]

But it does not stop there. Oh no there is much more.

[Plus there was a slight communication problem that resulted in the invasion in the first place.]

To make this even more insulting Mr FoxURA, You accuse me of being an agent of my OWN People! An Agent?? Where is your proof Mr FoxURA?

Do you have any? Or is this just more of the typical Federation whining and sabre rattling INVENTED ! mind you to provoke The Star Empire to attack? Do you see us as being that foolish?


You state the following; " Is not that the way your justice system works, guilty until proven innocent?"

Our ways of justice are not on trial here. We offer the condemed the right to speak on there own behalf, before judgement is handed down.

We differ from the Federation in that aspect. the Federation laws dicate a "shoot first, shoot again, then if anyone is left alive try to gain information from them using the false pretence of medical attention."

Why are the other races so quiet? I cannot and do not speak for them, however the Federation does speak for one, though we do not concider them worthy of our attention except for target pratice when they cross our borders, Yes I am speaking of the Federations Klingon dogs!

Where are these agents of the Empire that you speak of? A better question is Who are they? Would I know them?
Are you stating for this record that members of the Tal-Shiar are here? now?
Can you point them out to me? Even if they were present how would I know them? You stated I'm an agent? Where is your Proof?

Or is it beacuse I'm a diplomat that I am hereby standing accused of crimes I have not ever commited? All you show me is the Typical Federation Lies and Federation deciet that flows throughout the Alpha quadrant.

And what of these statements?

[ Circumstantial evidence indicates that the Romulan Empire would have a vested interest in insuring that that the ammunition of opponents be limited in order to limit open comparisons between the Federation and Romulan Star Empire, most notably in regards to technology. ]

You accuse us of having a so called "vested interest". We have no such interest. What happens within the Federation and its own failing our not our concern. Our true intrests are within our own borders.

And this statement? What is this? the ramblings of a madman?

[ The reason for this is that whatever the information released and regardless of any true comparisons that may make the Romulan Star Empire look more 'superior' would simply be turned on its head by the Federation advocates or overlooked and information heralding the 'superiority' of the Federation would be the dominant topic. Thereby ruining the image of the Romulan Star Empire. ]

If this is the so called evidence you have against me, against the Star Empire, then your case is spectualtive at best.

You claim there is details that are locked away for "Security Purposes"
I say show these details. Unless of course such information would indicate that in Truth the only reason for this is that the Federation would stand Accused of commiting its OWN Crime.


The burden of proof now falls to the agents and advocates of the Romulan Star Empire to prove that it is in fact innocent.

I have thusly provided our innocence. The true burden is yours alone to carry.

{ hahahahaha Now that was fun! I look forward to the responces }

Have you? You have not given any evidence to dismiss the circumstantial evidence but have purgered yourself. You stated that no Romulan agents are present and yet you have labled yourself as an agent of the Romulan Empire before. You stated that you are in fact a Romulan Ambasador did you not? Does that not mean that you are in fact an agent of the Romulan Star Empire despite you stating in your testimony that you are not? The tern 'agent' as used in the procedings was any non-civilian citizen of the Romulan Star Empire. As an ambasador you are not a civilian but a diplomat. No acusation of the Tal-Shiar being involved has been made even once in these procedings. Why then did you mention them? The court is well aware that Romulan ambasadors, as well ambasadors of other races, have ingaged in seurity operations under the guidance of their respective races security organizations. Is the reason for your concern in this matter rooted in the fact that you aided in the conspiracy and insuing cover up under the guidance of the Tal-Shiar? If not, why would you show so much concern about this if your concern in unfounded in the first place?

Does by any chance your eagerness to move the spotlight away from the Tal-Shiar indicate that they are in fact invoved in the conspiracy to remove technical information of Federation ships and stations from the public archives?

Also, bear in mind that this is not a trial to determine whether any specific party bears the guilt of this crime or not but to determine who. For the moment the only party being investigated that has a vested interest in this would be the Romulan Star Empire in light of their recent defeat. The Klingons, as agresive as they are sometimes appear to detest the so called dishonorable act of espianage and sabatoge. The Ferangi, while not repulsed by the thought of undertaking such actions stand to benefit from continued peaceful relations with the Federation in order that their coffers may be filled through lucrative trade agreements. The Cardassians, while notorious for such actioins in the past have currently focused all their attention on locating fresh resources so that they might rebuild their empire. Them undertaking such actions would only jepordize their chances of recieving continued aid from the Federation.

Also, I would like to point out that I am not an ambasdor of the Federation. As you may not have remembered, Cornerians are not a members of the Federation nor any other major power in any quadrant of this galaxy. That is the reason for my being chosen for this investigation because I hold neither Romulan or Federation interests. I am only interested in the evidence that, while cirmumstantial in nature, strongly implicates the Romulan Star Empire.

One last thing, if you must address me as 'mister' please be so kind as to use Mister McCloud or may simply continue to address me as Fox as you have done so in the past. Just because something is after a name does not mean that it is part of that name. Isn't that correct Mister 7?

I voted yes because I know it to be true.

Misdirection and all that...

*Edit - Woah...Winterhawk beat me in the length of a post... 8O*

Matress. Gee thanks for the help!


{ Fox your good! lol I am enjoying this! }

So why are not the other races of this alpha quadrant here? And where are all the Federation members? It is comon knowledge there are hunderds here, yet none of them step forward. As far as mising threads and posts, I carry no knowledge of this. Having confered with my Government on this matter they are just as shocked to hear of this.

In the interests of the Star Empire & Beta Quadrant, It si announced that an invertigation in our space will be done as well. And in this you can trust, if any information concerning this matter be found, it has been ordered that it be pass to me per our Glorious Preator. Anyone found to have such information will be delt with swiftly..

However this does not explain why the Federation invaded our space and caused such mass distruction. We are aware they claim a comunation problem, but we have heard there lies time and again.

We will be monitoring our borders even closer for we have not been given any indication of trust from the Federation.

i voted yes

I know whio I suspect lol

Whom might that be Chris? Surely not me! I'm not a Dev or even a monitor person.

I say it's the butler with a candlestick... lol

"What The Butler Saw" Old Victorian sorta 'picture carousel' - but far different dramas

This whole thing was about either missing threads or that fact that no Federation players were stating anything in regards to basic play or being proud to be members of the Federation. I mean Iwulff pointed this out to me. The Federation is supposed to be the "good guys" of the Universe.

lol

True, I don't really think there's any evil races in ST though - even the Borg had their reasons.

I would need help with this but I recall one.. back in TOS, that was just savage. it was all they were about.. but if I recall right they were very small, only held like two plaents in there own system.. but never heard anything else about them.. like many TOS races.

Though Sisko broke that rule...

i tend to go more towards the good guys.. But well the dominion are kinda nice to, i think.

The post this quote references to, plus the quoted response itself, is the only thing I saw in this thread.

Winter... congratulations. You have graduated from "occasional poster" into "Master Poster Of Da Forums". In recognition of your accomplishments, I would like to take the time to award you the imaginary "Medal of Lengthy Responses" for your fine effort in responding to adversity, stating your opinions, and slightly derailing the original point of the thread (I actually like derailments); all of which was done with more than 2 typed pages (I checked - pt 12 Arial font).

Congratulations! You are now among the best of those that have perfected such a fine art such as MoE and myself.

Now all that is left is for you to challenge MoE as the "Supreme Romulan Head Poster of Da Forums." There should be intrigue! There should be deception! There should be blood! And best of all... there should be forum posts reaching dozens and dozens of types pages in length!!!!!

You know, if Nemitor had his way again, Winter WOULD actually be beating me!

One of the first things that Nemitor did when he gained admin access to the forums was change my post count to MINUS 99999999999999999999 posts!

But he put them back...permanently, I hope. 8O

I've noticed a pattern with the admin though. I'm always the butt of their jokes. First it was Jig and my avatar, then it was Nem and my posts. Why don't they ever leave me alone?!

Oh well, I will just have to redouble my posting efforts. There are only 2354 posts between me and Winterhawk! 8O

*Edit - i'm glad *someone* noticed the small print in my previous post, Azhdeen! I had to explain to Winter via a PM about my apparent lack of Romulan patriotism.

hehehe... i just couldnt help it!



muahahahahahha. (evil laugh)

Matress, It is apparent that after all this time, you as top Tal still have so much to learn!!

Of course I read your tiny text mu hahahahaha However it did not assist me in any manner. lol someone HAD to defend the Honor of the STAR EMPIRE in all its GLORY! lol Since I was aware you were having computer problemscause you would not back anything up like you should i had to do something! Although I was not the best suited to this role, I dove in anyway!

Azh, Whoa! I am honored. While attempting to be a decent diplomat yet carry the Romulan style of calm /anger, I did all I could to uphold the traditions I am aware of.

Although I will submit that you Azh, Matress and another fellow member here have posts much much longer then any I have done to this point.

The only thing to really find out is who is #1 in length of responce. For this there would need to be an unopposing judge.

Also it might take a bit of digging to actually find Moes huge post as it was done some time back, then a comparision should be done between the three of you.

I would rather be rememberd as being a comon "joe" and not known as someone who can spew out facts and figures with the speed of a supercomputer, causing many readers brains to split open as they delve deeper and deeper into my ever more wandering rant.

While my goal when first coming here was to somehow catch up with Matress, I have long since gave that up and for every one post I set down here, he is somehow able to conjure up at least 3 and at most 5, (not counting posts he makes in the staff room where we as comon folks do not have access to see. Also in the early stages I was posting more so on the silly side of things here instead of actually offering thoughts that pretained to the games creationwith recent exceptions of course, as I have been working hard toclean up my postings and offer a bit more enlightened responces that have the feel and correct fit to the games being discussed at this time. This is not to say that I have gone all serious or anything of that nature. Oh no. As can be seen even now within the last few weeks, I still aspire to deliver humor where I can and when needed I jump at the chance to actually be usefull in thought and verbage. Of course this does not always turn out as I wish it to and i end up having to explain what I was taking about in a different form the point is I do try!

However this is going way off topic as was set so I'll again try to focus back to what was being discussed.

I do not feel the alligations towards the Romulan Star Empire are correct and reflect poorly on our principle of being isolated away from the deluge that follows the Federation as it falls much like Rome did in early Earths history. Furthermore, our own investigation has revealed no information that is related to the above preceedings in question. I therefore move that proof be offered as concrete evidence or the alligations against us be dropped altogether.
And as a conciquence of such poor investigatve powers that those of the Federation whom first offered this notion that we had anyting to do with such nonsence be hereby punished by your own standards for providing False evidence and alligations against the Star Empire.

I conclude my statement.

Thank you!