My favorite would have to be Enterprise. It was interesting to see what the Federation was like when it was still getting it's space legs. In addition to that it was fun to watch how things in other Treks got their starts, such as why the Klingons in Star Trek have smooth heads. Another entertaining thing about Enterprise was the Temperal Cold War and the attempts to destroy the Federation to killing off Humans before they could ever be developed enough to even start making an impact in the galaxy. Also, Archer was a good captain. Much better than the deflector dish solves all Janeway.

Enterprise was ok. But i didnt really liked the temporal cold war stuff. They just overdo the timetravel thing, again and again. Instead of just focus from the start on the Andorians, Vulcans, and others in the area, they immediatly bring in the Klingons. I didn't liked that. I heard some people complaining about the look of the Enterprise, but i liked it.

My favorite is Deep Space Nine. Although there are a few extreme things that i would have prefered weren't done. Like the thing that Sisko destroys a planet in his hunt for Eddington. It gives me the impressions that the writers wanted to show that everyone might get far beyond their own boundaries and just do **** like that.

TOS was my fav mainly cos of the encounters with non humanoid aliens and the storys. Some were cheesy but most were original and was entertaining. TNG was ok i mean it looked alot better and all but it never had that new alien this week feeling for me.

Ds9 would be my 2nd choice as i really enjoyed the war and the station life. Plus we had the chance to discover a whole new quadrent with easy access (kinda) to it.

Then would be TNG as it did have "best of both worlds" which is one of my fav episodes by far in all of trek. Plus we have the cool data character in this series and some good story arcs.

Next up is voyager. Liked the ship like the journey like the diff aliens and the struggle to get home. Tho the bad thing about this show was how the ship was always considered uber to most native delta q races. I mean come on kazon more than a few ships could take voyager easily but was never done. Same for most other aliens. They used too few ships against voyager then they automatically thing there uber and cant be defeated without help.

Also didnt like the uber niceness of the ppl and the gay happy type feeling between everyone. Nice show shame about most of the cast.

Then ent. Meh was crap, only good thing was tpol and the asian lass in it was in sexy outfits sometimes. Tho bakula was nice to see in sci-fi again as well as his quantum leap buddie in the show. Tho bakula wasnt a cool captain. The storys were utter tripe as well. Whoever came up with temperal cold war needs to be shot mamed killed eaten spat out and then finally dumped into the sea. It was the worst story they came up with. I would have had a much more enjoyable viewing if they focused more with stuggle with klingons and more feds and vulans storys but better than what the crap was coming out. And also meeting some of the early members of the federation that were still independent and how first contact was with them etc.

I liked Deep Space Nine. One could say Battlestar Galactica reflects a post 9-11 "the world is a miserable place" reality, but DS9 had its feet solidly on the ground almost a decade earlier. It was, I think, the most 'human' out of all of them, with moral qualms and characters that pushed the limits -- and broke them. It allowed Worf to really come in to his own and managed to come together really well in the last few seasons after meandering, I thought, at the start.

And on top of that, Kirk suggested that Starfleet could kick some ass -- when forced to. Enterprise didn't delve in to it, but there were a number of critical battles fought early on in Federation/Earth history, and his mile long list of commadations hinted at it. TNG didn't reveal it at all, and Voyager did on occasion (favorite part of Voy: probably Year of Hell when everybody had the perma-smile smacked off their faces), but the Dominion War showed that while the Federation President may sit in Paris, Starfleet was headquartered in San Francisco and inherited none of the fighting spirit of the Parisian presidential palace. Even during their most desperate times, when every time they'd send out a fleet of 150-200+ ships and only 10 (or even none) returned, and Betazed and other key worlds were occupied, they kept going. I don't know if I have a tear in my eye or want to blurt out HOORAH. It managed to have love stories and everything else in the middle of all of it, too, and didn't stop posing traditional Star Trek moral questions, such as "do the means justify the ends?" with Sisko sabotaging the Romulan diplomats ship and planting the faked recording of the Dominion war meeting thing.

DS9-TNG-TOS-VOY-ENT is how I'd have to rank 'em. DS9's dark side definitely wasn't for everyone though, and I can definitely see how people they grew up on TOS and then TNG might think of DS9 as something different, but I came in to the Trek fold when TNG and DS9 were running in parralel, so it was all the same to me. I'd rate ENT higher if not for the temporal cold war thing, too.. I mean, when they'd just one that massive battle and approached Earth after going through hell and their shuttle was met with P-51 Mustang's, that was just too freakin' much.

i don't want to insult anyone.. but i got TOS last.. here is my list:

Deep Space Nine
Voyager
Enterprise
The Next Generation
TOS

DS9, best plot and best Actors, even though TNG had Picard, Riker, and DATA DS9 just had more interesting chracters with history and intrique for me.

Not to mention the relationships characters had with each other seemed more real and interesting. Dax-Worf, Bashir-O'brien and Bashir-Garak. not to mention Quark-Odo. Ferengi were great in DS9 and the show really was able to expand on the Race, even though i'am told some people didn't like them.

TNG
VOY / TOS
ENT

regards Wolfe

Star Trek Enterprise ranks for me as the most frustrating. It has a great concept, good actors and sets but the worst writers. I stopped watching out of frustration.

It was getting better at the end before it got cancelled.

That's exactly same order i'd have Iwulff...although Voyager and DS9 are pretty evenly matched in my point of view.

I loved DS9 because of the war. It was the most human of all the Treks - as Ringold said. It started off based on the death and destruction of Wolf 359 and the aftermath of Bajor's occupation. Then it went all happy as Bajor started to find its feet and the station grew in importance both militarily and economically. But then it went full-circle as the Cardassians pushed in, allied themselves with the Dominion, then went to war. It was a proper story and you wanted to watch.

Voyager had the storyline feel to a lesser extent than DS9, but it was still there - they were lost on the other side of the Galaxy, just trying to get home in one piece - and still with their sanity and morals in place. But Jneway knew that she would have to make sacrifices to do that, and I for one thought that her ability to break the Prime Directive so easily was actually one of her great strengths. They simply would not have survived on their own for so long without bending the rules where necessary to survive.

Enterprise was a good attempt, but it had something missing - it lacked direction and courage. It could have been so much more, but Paramount (As always) was too focussed on ratings. They forced through writer changes and believed the Temporal war arc would hook viewers. Yes, it made for good TV...but not good Trek. This one storyline killed off Enterprise in my mind. They should have focussed on the Romulan war - if they had done that, Enterprise would like be finishing through old age by now, not coz of premature production axing.

TNG simply didn't have that storyline feel to me. It was a series of unrelated but important events - tied up by the various (And extremely redeeming) story arcs such as Data. I also thought that Beverley was an extremely underused character. Gates McFadden is an amazing actress, but it wasn't until the season 4 episode "Remember Me" that they really started to use her.

As for TOS, I personally don't think much of it. Yes, it was the beginning of Trek. But that's it. It's old. The way I see things, it is actually holding Trek back now. They're on about Trek 11 being a Kirk story. All I can say is that I won't be watching it if that is the case. I simply don't care about Kirk anymore. Give me the future, not the past!

...And that's the end of my rant.

As if they didn't get the idea from Enterprise that you can't just copy-cat Star Wars with a prequel idea and instantly have a cash cow, now they're going to go bang their heads against a wall with a prequel movie..


Hey, speaking of that, what do you guys think of Nemisis? Honestly?

Brent Spinner was saying recently that after lackluster turnout for past ST movies they tried to have mass market appeal, they decided to make Nemisis for the fans and the fans only to try to get us to turn out in droves. I personally thought it was pretty sweet, but the turn out was pretty lousy.. I went to opening night and it was seriously myself, two of my friends, and one other older guy that'd randomly blurt out different things, and then cried when Data ate it and again when it was over. Spinner seemed to feel betrayed by the low turnout, but I dunno what the problem was.

I'll go see XI no matter what the plot is.. badge of Trek honor.. but if its a prequel or 90210 In Space then I'll just go alone and not make any friends suffer with me.. And hey, at least maybe it'll be better than saving the whales!!!

I think that is exactly the reason why people didn't go out in droves to watch it. If you make a wonderful movie just for the sake of making a great film and out of love of the topic you get a Lord of the Rings. However, if you make something "for the fans" you get, well... Nemisis. Don't get me wrong or anything I thought, and still do, that it is a good movie. But it is nothing truly memorable or good enough to drive the primary agent in a films success... Word of mouth. You put out something good enough to justify seeing it again and tell your friends about it than people will come. If you just put out something good enough to entertain than you have put out something that people are bound to forget about. For instance... Until Nemisis was mentioned in this topic, I had forgotten that it ever existed.

1. DS9
2. TNG
3. ENT
4. VOY
5. TOS

I should stress that the gaps between 1, 2, and 3 are significantly tighter than the gap between 3 and 4, or 4 and 5. I thought DS9 and TNG were great. Enterprise didn't start to get really good until Season 4, but I give it credit for potential. And Scott Bakula kicks ass. Voyager was "meh" (though I still watch it, and the better Voyager episodes were pretty damn good). I hated TOS.

The most memorable thing about TOS are the immortal words, "He's dead Jim."

TNG for the fact that it inspired over a decade of Trek shows and everything fed off what it had laid down. Brilliant after Season 3.

Got a rather odd ranking myself compared to the others on this forum. Not wanting another ENT discussion that never reaches a conclusion, I'll just drop in my list:

ENT - VOY - DS9 - TNG - TOS

I do have to mention that I have never seen a single episode of TOS. With the exception of the one which first introduces the Romulans (a friend of mine made me watch that one). I don't know but when I see that I never get a Sci-fi feel out of it. Just frustration with how ugly and old it all looks.

The reason I couldn't include TOS is purely cos I've not seen much of it and considering it was made 30 years before TNG, there's a massive difference between say TNG-DS9-VOY-ENT as they all followed on from each other.

I have to say that TOS is my least favorite out of the bunch. I know it's not the peoples fault that made the show but certain things add up that makes it hard to enjoy the show.

1. The Shatner Cheese factor. Just because your shirt gets ripped off shouldn't mean you suddenly become stronger.

2. A futuristic starship that seems to be controlled mostly by levers and computers with spinning reels of data tapes doesn't seem right for some reason.

3. Even though it was most likely caused by budget problems, Klingons with smooth heads.

It's those three things and other things that I can't quite put my finger on that I think are to blame for me not counting it higher in my ranking which is as follows.

1. Enterprise. The show was just starting to tap into so much unrealized potential that I can't help but give it the number one spot.

2. Deep Space Nine. Two words... Dominion War.

3. The Next Generation. A lot of good shows and plots but too preachy at times.

4. TOS. Groundbreaking show for it's time that started it all.

5. Voyager. Sorry, but Janeways use of the deflector surpasses Kirks cheese factor with no contest. Also, I can't help but take the show less seriously after reading somewhere that some people actually did calculations to figure out things like how many photon torpedos and crewmen were lost vs. what the technical specs state the ship should have. If I remember right Voyager used a few times more photon torpedos that it had, ran out of expendibles more than one time over, ran out of repair parts, and should have run out of dilithium at least once. Things like this add up and I have to take the show less seriously.