http://www.sliceofscifi.com/2007/04/06/ ... e-horizon/

Discuss, go mad, whatever.

Ooo, a torrent site, you naughty kid you.

As for the show itself..

It's a step up from Enterprise, but they're still making a blind grab at what seems to work elsewhere, hoping that it'll work for them too, just like they grabbed the prequel idea from SW.

Multiracial crew that'll likely have the token black guy, token asian, token European of some sort, token Canadian, and a couple token non-humanoid races.. oh, and an obligatory Vulcan. Just to add spice and bring it up to fully modern liberal tastes, lets make the Vulcan gay.

With the crew taken care of, they look at ships. Okay, we've done big command cruiser style ships (ENT-B-E), done pocket-dreadnoughts (Defiant/Sao Paulo), and heavy frigate-type ships (Voy).. So lets forget that Starfleet always, if it does nothing else, engineers fantastic starships, and give them a garbage heap scout-ship, and plunk it in the middle of a war where it's out-gunned ten to one!

Oh yeah, plot! Well, now we've got a war. Nevermind if it's post-DS9 that 1/3 to 3/5 of the Federation fleet has been destroyed, along with most of its best command talent and it's key member planets are still basically smoldering from beneath the rubble like Trill, we need a good war. It worked for BSG, so we need to make the whole show an arc; lets start off with some foreplay in early seasons, some gritty BSG-style battles and climax in the middle, and then a warm fuzzy pillow-talk conclusion near the end. Whack a couple characters along the way, let the gay Vulcan hook up with a yoeman who discovers he too is gay at some point, and have the XO hang himself after finding his wife/partner cheating on him with an astoundingly well-endowed Ferengi and call it a series! Sex In the City meets Battlestar Galactica, with warp drives!

We wont even speak of how the Ferengi have a limited military, speculate as to if continuity will be respected as regards the Grand Nagus (it's still Quarks brother, isn't it?) or that Cardassia has no remaining military with the Romulan's hurt as bad/worse then Starfleet, or consider that the formula of Major Network + 'Action-Oriented' Plot = Fast Death for sci-fi series (Firefly and Fox, anybody? How about Babylon-5's aborted last attempt, which didnt pack enough action or sex and thus got rearranged and then cancelled?).

Meh.

I've always thought from the time the credits rolled on "What you leave behind" that the next series to continue forward the timeline could do very, very well by coming up with a new crew, a new ship of some respectable class (Akira, Excelsior-class Lakota upgrade, an uprated Galaxy or perhaps a brand new cruiser, a replacement for the Nebula class to bridge the gap between Akira's and Galaxy/Sovereign), and put this crew to work on the chaos that would be the Alpha Quadrant after the war came to a close. There would be massive human suffering, stretched defenses, old rivalries flaring up in the absence of a strong central power, piracy, smuggling.. all kinds of things to play on. Not just in Federation space, but the Cardassian's suffered what amounts to genocide as well. Romulan's got womped on.. and if a war was needed, well, the Breen more or less quietly got away without damage to their 'homeland', so they're out there. The field is wide open, and fans get to see their Federation in a gritty light, like BSG, and get to see it struggle to maintain its moral compass before ultimately, by the end of the series, regaining most of its former strength. It's got the extremely deep background left behind from DS9 and TNG to build upon, everything from continueing the story with Sisko (who is a god these days), to Odo (also a pseudo-god), the Cardassian side, any aftermath in the DMZ, aftermath in Romulan space, Klingon space, etc, etc, etc..

That's my .02c, though. Unchanged for what, half a decade now?

Additional good disclosure from the comments section of the original article:



Plus, everybody over there more or less said what I did; it sounds like Firefly, stuck in the Star Trek Universe, playing the role of DS9, with a touch of BSG drama and Babylon-5 'Legend of the Rangers' or so plot elements/style.

I've got my eye on the next movie.. hopefully get some TV series going after that.

I wish startrek films wasnt such primarily focused on combat and some enemy we couldnt give a rats arse about (nemesis). But returned to the film style of TMP or khan well khan is combat and rival but its a good combat and rival film. But yes. I wish they went and did go back to discovery and exploration routes. If anyone remembers the tng episode where there was a genetic map and all major races were following it and they ended up knowing that there all seeded races from 1 species.

I would love to see a film expand on that episode in some form. Perhaps a archylogical (sp) dig where they found some route to where the "first race" went to perhaps beyond the rim so to speak. And the film was the journey and race to get there to meet the makers of all the races and find out why they were seeded etc even tho it was semi explained.


I am lookin forward to seeing what ship there going to use in the new film since the ent e was destroyed more or less in nemesis.

That was one of my favorite episodes, and I was disappointed nothing was ever really done with it.. The 'First Race' thing has been taken up some in the books, and is Bab-5-ish, but can be done in a very Trek way. Babylon-5 made it almost all about some sort of survival-of-the-fittest genocidal war.. Trek wouldn't have to try very hard at all to make its own version special.


As for exploration, there was a good series of books that covered the Enterprise A escorting a colonist fleet out to 'Belle Terre', and its got plenty of exploration and whatnot in it. If they really wanted to go boldly where (almost) no man has gone before.. They could find a way to shoot an expedition over to Andromeda, or perhaps to whatever cluster it was that those O'Neil's got sent to, and connect with them or forge new alliances or colonies in Andromeda.

There's a lot better ideas than just endless war. Frankly, I get enough endless war in real life; I like my fake war to be short and glorious; something to sing about with some blood wine. Not five seasons long.

The new film is a prequel, though. If I had to guess, if the Constitution class exists at all, it's probably just the Constitution; ie, the prototype. Something to do with a younger Kirk and Spock.. the rumors get changed every time the writers change the story a bit, so can't recall what, but it's a prequel.

If its a prequal then im guessing we would see a updated NX or somit they will use. I really dont fancy the prequal idea one bit. I really would have prefered if we can leave tos and tng movies and move on to ds9 or voyager series based movies with them crews in perhaps or at least get sisko or janeway with new crews but some good original crew peeps to join em.

Not much is out there, but if you think we should leave TOS behind you wont like what we do know: It'll involve Kirk and Spock before Kirk is captain of Enterprise.

Some say it'll be set in the Academy, but Abrams has cast doubt on that I think. Definitely early TOS-era, though.