Goods good

The Klingon and Romulan fleetyards are just place holders for now. The Card Fleetyard is good to go.

The big shipyards are simply called "Fleetyards". To make life easier, I recently changed the naming convention of the shipyards to follow the following system. The only exception is Utopia Planitia because the Federation is the only Empire with two fleetyards and Utopia Planitia is such an important canon structure that calling it anything else would just confuse people.

empireprefix_shipyard_i
empireprefix_shipyard_ii
empireprefix_shipyard_iii
empireprefix_fleetyard
empireprefix_utopia_planitia

Empireprefix = fed, kling, rom, card, dom.

Thanks for these latest images vjeko, i've uploaded them to Sharepoint. I've also removed the anti-proton array from the "needed" list.

I'm not sure if this is permitted but I've enhanced this picture. Not a big change but it looks better atleast to me.

Hmm...subtle, but effective. Good work, vjeko! I'll upload it to Sharepoint for you.

Klingon Great Hall.

Very nice. I recall they would often have a cloudy red sky or was it read glow in the windows? No matter as I like this version.

It's a great job with a background planet + space



Matress, Do you think it is possible to use this kind of background with all type of empire shipyards I II III:



but also for starbases and outposts?

Looks like you've got some fans here now, vjeko!

I have to say the Klingon great hall looks very realistic. Did you use a photo in it? It's better than the BOTF one!

This is a max scene that i did 2 yeras ago i don't remember that i give somebody permission to twist it. Doesn't matter anyway cause almost all minor races structures on sharepoint are obsolete and new one will be uploaded around Christmas same thing stands for empires buildings too... 99% of artwork is ready, so vjeko and othrers ask first what image is missing and what work is needed otherwise you are doing double work.



It's possibel but our intention was to make those images fully transparent, 2d images of ships and stations are going to be transparent this was agreed upon few years ago.

It would be nice to have images of structures illustrated both planetary and space.

Yes, it was agreed on Zeleni, but this was mainly because the images of the ships are likely to change as time goes by and the models are improved. This doesn't prohibit the final versions of the images having backgrounds if the artists really wanted to give them one though.

The one thing that i'm most concerned about at the moment is consistency. If we give some models an image and not others, it's going to look weird, and that will detract from the overall "quality" feel of the game. That said, the fleetyards are the biggest, most important shipyards that you can build, so we could potentially afford to give their images a bit of leeway and spice them up. But if we do it to one, then we'll have to do it to all of the fleetyards. And then people may start asking why we did it for the fleetyards and not all of the other shipyard structures, and then ask for the same to be done to the science stations, and the outposts, and the the starbases, and then all of the 400+ models. In fact starfleet has already done so above.

I do like the images with backgrounds, I really do. But we have to be realistic. Do you want to add background images for 400+ models, vjeko? And then do you also want to maintain the background images every time we have a new image for model x? It would be a helluva lot of work for you to do. I hate to say it, but it would be a lot easier - and more consistent - if we just left the model images with transparencies instead.

Mike has coded the game to pull in ship and station model images that are 270 x 225 png on a transparent background. I have made these images for each model as the model has been completed. The models are for the combat engine and the png images will appear in other user interphases in the game as seen below. The png images are stored on SharePoint at Shared Documents / In Game PNG images. Additionally this model image will be layered down on a background provided in the game that, in some situations, will be larger than 270 x 225. That means if you do not have transparency at the edge the image will appear to have a background boarder around the model. Below you can see the weapons fire from the Enterprise is cut short before the edge of the frame. I will have to re-do the images for all model where this is the case. If someone wants to use a program to render the models and use the render to make new png images for these models you are welcome to do so.

*IF* we allow people to do backgrounds, would it look better if the backgrounds were added before or after the weapon effects are applied, Kenneth? Or would it make no difference? Or perhaps should weapon effects be avoided altogether to allow for it in the first place? And if i'm going to be really pedantic, is it correct to have Federation ships firing their weapons for show, when they're supposed to be ships of peace and exploration?

I gave Utopia Planitia background of Mars because it is built above Mars and people will recongnise it by that.
I'm sorry to have started this discussion, and am sorry that I have modified the image of Pleasure domes.

Kenneth is absolutely right, all images that appear on galactic screen or they are moveing on galactic map should be fully transparent, picture each ship or station from differnt races with their own backgrounds in select tab of supremacy, it would be gruesomely! Buildings can have backgrounds, since they appear only in contruction menu. Kenneth ships with fireing effects are good for now at the and we will need to do new renders cause Kanneth software isn't the best solution for renders.



Don't be sorry I'm not offended. What i want say that i feel sorry seeing you working double job, vjeko we have utopia planitia, klingon great hall but still we do miss lots of images, just ask and we will tell which one, i can tell you right now that you can do almost any random image, structure images are already done.

If Mike allows it, we could technically give the ships multiple images, Zeleni; one as a construction image, one for the fleet image, and one for the ingame Trekpedia image (Although we're hoping the 3D model itself will be used because then players will be able to freely rotate it just like you could in BOTF). We may even think of other images later on where it could be needed.

But yes, transparent is the way to go for ease of use. Sorry about your wasted work, vjeko.

It is the ships, station, monsters, alien entities... that are models in the combat engine that need the transparent background. As far as I know structures and random do not need the background transparent. There is some overlap here. I can not say that a random event would not also have a model as in the crystalline entitie. We may need both kinds of images for all I know.

Glare, flair, weapons fire or whatever is OK as long as it does not extend to the edge in a way what will make the image look bad. I could take that Enterprise image and fad out the end of the beam to make it look acceptable.

A lot of what goes into the quality of a render depends on the video card and screen you use to do the render. My laptop will make a very bad image with Ultimate Unwrap but other PCs do OK. Blender does an outstanding job on the renders if you know how to use it. It is far beyond the quality you need for a 270 x 225 png image.

I saw in shared folder that you don't have this picture, so here, hope you will decide to use it.

It's nice pic Vjeko but is black & white, minors special structures are already filled, list isn't updated for months, though thanks for your hard work.

It's not Black and white but, it is poorly colored.

On the lighter side, I've added Doug Drexler ( http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Doug_Drexler ) as a friend on facebook and he accepted. I'm sure it's not a fake account. I got his permission to use a picture of Romulan senate used in Star Trek Nemesis, we just need to credit him and his blog, and I believe that you wont find a better picture for it, so here:

Is he actually allowed to give away usage rights for Star Trek related artworks to third parties? I always believed artists working for commercial products like Star Trek is, must sell their copyrights completely to their employer, i.e. Paramount/CBS so the original author does not have the sole word on how his artwork can be used afterwards. Maybe you could ask him that in private. If it is possible with Star Trek, then maybe the old botf images (the major race structures from Sebastian G. Hyde: http://www.lightningcoyote.com/Professi ... ameSet.htm ) can be used too legally after asking him. Although with BotF it could be more difficult since Atari also has copyrights there. Never mind, I was just thinking out loud .

I'll ask him, but in the meantime I present the never seen concept art for Enterprise of the Klingon high court:

I'm sure that we can find a use for it.

This is a 3d picture of the Delta Vega Dilithium station. Why not invite him? He's name is Jeff Lee
godfrey@shipbrook.com


http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/raytrace/dvega.html
http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/raytrace/dvga-txt.html

Actually Zeleni, the list IS up to date. I last updated it only last night thanks to your images, and prior to that I did a full overhaul of it about two weeks ago. The minor races certainly do not all have images for their structures yet, and some of the existing images need to be replaced because they are from BOTF or are of poor quality. All of the images as they currently stand are on Sharepoint, but I can zip up my entire TechObjects folder if anyone wants a copy.

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We currently don't have an image for the Vorta Cloning Lab, so a low-colour image is better than what we currently have. I'll add it to Sharepoint, but i'll replace it if you release an improved image.

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I personally thought the same as Mal about copyrights; all rights belong to the commercial company as part of their contracts, rather than them belonging to the original creator/artist as he said. If the rights weren't signed away, the commercial companies would have a far harder time of making money out of a product, and artists would find it harder to sell their ideas and concepts. Obviously I don't really know any of the legalese behind the process, and I may be entirely wrong about it. But even if this guy really is the person we think he is, that doesn't necessarily mean he has the ability to just let us use his work. I embarassingly admit that i've never heard of him before, but I would expect someone who has apparently worked in the industry as he has would know more about what he can or can't do, and it sounds strange to me that someone like that would just hand over his work without at least having a look at our project himself first.

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The unseen concept art is cool. But as I said, can we actually use it? And what are the terms of our using it? Are we allowed to edit it for instance? We would need to do so simply to shrink it down to the same size of the other images.

I told him all about Supremacy and our project, but nothing is sure. If you want you could post on his blog and ask him.

And yeah, can you compress and send me your tech image folder?

Is this better?:

And another little darker version with glow.

Yes they do, I'v told you several times Matress.



They are obsolete, i have contigent of few hunderds images waiting to be sorted and upladed, each image on sharepoint will be replaced.



Again yes we have, i have sent you last night pm Matress i don't know if you read it, obviously not .



Klingon Court (nice catch Starfleet but i have it for months) is created by D.Drexler or J.Eaves, the concept was rejected by Star Trek and they don't own it cause artist wasn't paid., Image is published on drex files (kind of blog) and i'm going to use this image for our purposes.





@Vjeko, I like how you edited image, dominion symbols on wall are excellent, so I will replace existing image with yours.

Yes Zeleni, you have told me that you've made images multiple times, but until you actually send them to me or upload them to Sharepoint, then my answer remains correct; we currently do not have copies of many of the images that we need.

And you in fact did not specifically mention the Vorta Cloning Lab in your PM. In fact you didn't even mention the Dominion in general, you just vaguely said that you have images for the empires. So yes, I have read your PM, but in all honesty I felt a little bit insulted by some of your comments which is why I have not yet replied. I accept that you have worked on the images and have spent a lot of your time doing so, but the fact of the matter is we haven't got much physical evidence of this because you haven't sent them to us. I have also spent a lot of my time working on the images in my own way, as have many others, but we have physical evidence of this because the images are available for all to see on Sharepoint. But as we haven't got your images, the image list is full of gaps and that's why people like vjeko are duplicating the work you have apparently already done. This will continue to happen until you send us a copy of your work!

Please send us a copy. Please!

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I like the glow that you've added to the image as well vjeko, so i've uploaded it to Sharepoint. I also noticed that this new version of the image is 3kb smaller than the original, so you've managed to optimise it a bit too. Good work.

Well I was insulted too by your pm, but I have replied to you.



I'v sent 64 federation images to you two nights ago, and you don't believe me when I say we have Vorta Cloning Lab? I'am not Gavin Tufrey for god sake.



I can't upload anything while whole database is under construction, for example one day mintakans have 2 structures another day just one, i don't have time to track all changes, to adjust each image, to redo all job five times in row,so that is why I was angry last time in pm.

I apologise if I insulted you Matress that wasn't my intention and really I don't have bad feelings toward you au contraire

Just i don't like when my work is changed without asking, I don't rechange work of you or somebody else here, if I don't like something I make suggestion.

In addition, one of reasons why I didn't upload all to sharepoint is high number of files which have to be filtered, only best images will make to supremacy.

This is my supremacy working folder: