maybe during that 70 year isolation, they were at war with the other "federation" and finally come to a treaty, for peace, and possibly a trade deal, which is how they got the huge warbird. (technology, not the actual ship)

The roms could have used disinformation on the other "federation" and led them to believe the ufp were conquerers.

Just because they were allied with the ufp and klings, doesn't mean the other federation would know about it. Remember, the roms are very secretive.

The station could be built by the ufp and roms, to "protect" the colony against the other federation because of disinformation fed to the ufp about the other federation. The roms would be playing both sides against the other to gain favorable treatys from both races. The roms get tech from the ufp for travel to the colony, and the other federation gets trade, or something else for "information" about the ufp. They could be lying to both sides to get what they want.

The roms help build the station with ufp tech, to make it look like the ufp is planning an invasion of the new federations space, which would lead to the new federation to look away from the roms and looking at the ufp, which would leave the door open for the roms to get control of some of the new federations space, or something....

The roms would have tons to gain from playing the other two against each other. That could be their revenge for sisko lying to them.

Tell me...do you have any Romulan relations?

Your idea is very Romulan. I like it! It's exactly the sort of thing that the Romulans would do. (Which you would know, of course, if you had Romulan relations - or were one) 8O

That could be a good idea, about the technology for the Warbird - in the series, the Romulans had small ships, then bam! they are building things that can take on the Enterprise-D! (Of course, that can be explained away by the 70-year isolation, but who's nit-picking?) Where did they get the technology to build so huge, so quickly (Sort of) and where did the ideas come from?

Also, the Romulans exclusively use quantuum-singularity-powered warp-cores (Basically a mini black hole powers their starships) while all the other races use matter/antimatter reactions to provide the power to get into subspace - why such a major difference in technology, unless the technology was gotten from some race(s) that we do not yet know about?

We're definitely going to have to come up with a name for this other Federation, coz these posts will get a bit confusing to other people! and maybe me as well...

Call it the Confederation or Confed.

Yeah, that's easy enough to do, ZDarby.

Perhaps the Romulans would encourage the Confederation to create all the weapons that the Federation has outlawed - the Romulans would say that the Federation was secretly creating them, for use against the Confederation, so if created these weapons themselves, themselves, they would be able to surprise the Federation in 'the upcoming battle' (Or war ) by using their own weapons against them!

The Romulans would then pass on intelligence saying that the Confederation was war-like and used the outlawed weapons to destroy their enemies. In response, the Federation would begin developing counter-measures, or would try to get the Confederation to stop their use and evelopment of such weapons.

The Romulans would then say the Federation was just trying to make sure they had the upper hand in weapons technology.

And it would carry on from this.

What do you think, oh secret Romulan? I think it's very Romulany. Does it have your approval, or will it be surpressed by the Tal Shiar?

I think it could work with the weapon development.

The problem still stands that the federation is so far away from the colony. Maybe the station could use some type of holographic tech to make it appear their are 40 or 50 ships in orbit so the confederation doesn't try to attack.

Either way I think it would be a great series that could be long running and really show how a colony gets started in the middle of a "war" zone.

It needn't be a totally war-oriented series - the threat would be very real at the start, but as the colony makes friends, the Confederation would see that the Federation are friendlier than the Romulans say. (Of course the Romulans would just say that the Federation are building up support for the war)

I think it would be good to see what the outlawed Federation weapons are like. They are bound to be weapons that are unstable/dangerous (Even to the user), so you could have scenes where eg. a subspace rupture has occured through the weapons use.

If a Confederation ship sent out a distress call, because of these weapons, and the Federation helped them out (Sort of like the Enterprise-C, and the Klingon outpost - TNG, Yesterday's Enterprise) this would help resolve the tension between the Federation, and the Confederation.

Perhaps then, the truth about the Romulan involvement would be exposed, and the Romulans would have to go into 'hiding' again. (Imagine the ships and technology (And cloaking devices) they could come up with, if they were given another 70 years!) 8O

Ooh, i'm getting shivers! Imagine a Romulan invasion, during the 25th Century!

maybe they could use the "omega molecule" to power their ships.

That would piss off the federation and make tensions even higher.

If the Romulans got the Omega particle, then what do you think the Borg would be like?

OK, so Voyager took out a Transwarp Hub, released a virus thingie, and as far as we know, killed the Queen. (Remember, she could be 'made' where ever she was needed to be. She also had individuality charcateristics, so her 'consciousness' may have survived)

These things don't mean the Borg are gone. Surely they would have realised there was the possiblility of such a 'weapon' being used, so they created a contingency plan for it?

There could be Borg 'refugees', or a new Queen may arise, bringing back some version of the Borg. Of course, they would be devastated, but how long do you think it would be for the Borg to come back? Not long would be my answer.

If the Borg proposed an alliance, say the Omega particle for Transwarp tech, then the Federation might have a problem...

Of course, if people don't want the Borg back, (Can't see why the wouldn't though) perhaps the Confederation could develop the Omega particle technology - remember, it is an outlawed substance/weapon by the Federation, so would be perfect as the weapon of choice for the Confederation.

Any Federation ship would also be able to ignore the prime directive, so they could stop the development of such a weapon. Perhaps the development could even be just a ploy by the Romulans, to get the Federation to enter Confederation space. This could then be interpreted as an act of war by the Confederation...

Just because they would use the omega molecule as a primary source of power, doesn't mean the federation would invade them.

It could start talks between the two eventually and the confederation could show they have a system that stabalizes it. The romulan singularity could be an offshoot of that tech, so they don't necessarily want it, because they have something similar.

Thats the great thing about writing a new story, you could make it whatever you wanted.

There would be that initial impulse by the feds to kill them all to destroy the omega molecule, but after the initial conflict, both sides would realize they are better off talking and sharing techs, which would piss off the roms, which could add to the story line.

What would be even better...... What if the confederation founders were from one of the first colony ships ever sent out that got lost and were human. So you would have two human super powers in two seperate quadrants, that played by totally different rules. Would that get confusing? Nah I think it would be interesting.

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ya know there is more to the trek universe than mega empires, Time travel, massive space battles and aufully big shooters .. think small ... a single ship ... class? not in any star fleet database ... from what empire? none, but a resident of all, a single craft made from the parts of other salvaged craft .. crewed by what race? humans, romulans, ferengi etc, the freebooters of any society eking out a living from salvaging, legal and illegal ... gotta be a lotta debris after all them battles with big honkin space guns , transporting people and goods "no questions asked", archeology theft .. hell who needs a prime directive? ... son gets arrested by the edo? hell go in guns blazing n get the football playing greenhouse vandal back! popping over the neutral zone for a spot of tiffin with the romulans? klingons on your tail like boss hog after the general lee? no problem with your intergalactic passport/trading permit you can head right fer tha county line, ye haw, or ya can just utilise your brand spankin freshly salvaged cloaking device n hide ... think haan solo! think firefly! add a sprinkling of pirates of the caribean and just add phasers! yaharr warp 8 jim laaaaaad :D

I only meant an initial 'invasion' by starfleet, coz of the risk that Starfleet believes is posed by the Omega particle.

If, however, the Confederation had developed the tech to harness the power safely, then the Federation might want to trade for this tech. They certainly wouldn't want it used, if there was a risk of an Omega containment breakdown, colione

It's good to see new blood here, michae1ange1o. I think you might be a bit confused with the yaharr warp 8 jim laaaaaad stuff...try yaharr Qauntum them into oblivion jim laaaaaad. We be pirates, and we takes no prisoners!

Of course you would also make a good Klingon. try being a Klingon pirate. Q'Plagh!

me a klingon? im more merry or pippin than warf lol lback in line of the thread tho i DO absolutely LOVE a bloody good battle like the dominion wars or against the borg, but like somebody said previous a galaxy full of nothing but war would be a dark place to live, me i like a series full of adventure exploration, Omega particle the borg holy grail, i wouldnt like to be holdin that if the borg knew i had it "SIR! a fleet of 500 ships just entered the sector heading this way!, they all appear to be borg! and i need to go change my trousers!*

You wouldn't be the only one who would need more trousers if the Borg invaded!

How about being a Romulan pirate? Does a nice shiny new cloaking device sound good for your raiding?


Perhaps the Confederation could have an accident, whilst using the Omega particle? The Federation have better Impulse technology (Slower-than-light technology) than the Romulans, (Actually the Federation have some of the best Impulse tech in the Alpha AND Beta Quadrants) so a Federation ship could provide assistance faster than a Romulan ship would be able to. This could get the Confederation talking to the Federation...

this is true, that would get them talking.

I'm sick of the borg. The first time it was fun, the second time it was ok.... but now they are just annoying. They are the epidomy of a super race and should not be mentioned again. They suck.

Perhaps they do have the omega, but instead of being warlike, they were a very peaceful race by nature until you piss them off, then the fang bearing warships appear and rip you apart. This could be a totally peaceful series, more in line with TOS. They could expore the beta quadrant and meet new aliens we've never seen before because the romulans wouldn't let us through their space.

Maybe even they discovered a stable wormhole like the bajoran wormhole, and they use that to travel back and forth. But to make things interesting, it's only a one way wormhole, or if you can only travel through it a certain number of times before you catch a disease or something. That way, the new station wouldn't be swamped with fed ships. They could send automated ships through the wormhole to set up the station, and the initial crew could get there, but after one trip, you get sick if u go through again.

Just an idea on how to get around the distance problem.

How does everyone think of this?

It would get around the distance problem, but what about the colonial building? I thought we were going to have the crash-landing, the first exploration, then a 40 year jump, to when the colony is up and running.

Of course, this spoils things a bit, coz it would be a new idea for a colony to be set up.

A stable wormhole has a problem - they don't exist naturally - even the Bajoran wormhole wasn't natural. Perhaps this one could be inhabited by similar aliens, but they are less friendly, and won't let the ships back.

I would still like the to see the colony grow though.

Ah well, i'm going now. I've got a blood-draining session in about...7 hours, so i'm gonna need some sleep.

What would be an interesting thing would be a series that wouldnt stay with one crew or ship or station but jump around showing the living and adventures of fairly different people. There could be episodes that show the conflict of 2 rival houses in the Klingon empire or the work of a Tal Shiar spy or at the next episode just settle down with the problems of pioneer Federation settlers on some planet. At certain points some of those stories could combine showing you a bit of a larger picture that would slowly evolve.
For the timeline I would set it directly after DS9 setting on there an going on until after Nemesis. Cast would be different every episode with some characters reappearing as a common plot starts to form out. An entire Q episode would be cool to see in such a format

A series like that, would have a few problems, namely being that without the 'major' plot building up in the background, people would just get lost.

With every series, the initial characters have stayed the same, and if there are changes, it is because someone is killed off, etc. and someone replaces them a few episodes later.

If you have an ever changing cast, you will get virtually no character development, even with the 'regular' cast - who by your terms may appear in maybe 40-60% of the episodes by my reconing.

It would be great though, to have such a series and have it well written/implemented. You would learn bits about the entire trek universe, and it would never really get boring. I would feel sorry for the writers if it was made into an actual series though!

All the ideas that have been mentioned so far could be included in this series as well! 8O

Actually I was thinking more in lines of "The Outer Limits" kind of series that nontheless could develop a longer plot. The longer plot would be something that runs along in the background, though isnt the main concern of the show. The main thing are the different episodes jumping around in the known galaxy. You would see familiar places from other perspectives, entirely new ones with familiar characters or totaly new characters at new locations.

The plotline or plotlines could engulf around a conflict or something totally different. You know that something goes on in the background which affects the people that are featured in the episodes to different degrees.

The reappearing characters wouldnt be that important in the long run. Sometimes there would be episodes where one story intertwins with another and such.

As you said the whole thing would be very story dependent as there are are hardly any characters that could make up for a bad story. Though sometimes it would be cool to see familiar faces like Riker, Worf etc. or people from Voyager after their return to the Alpha Quadrant.

Ah, I see where you are coming from now (It's strange that I get it actually, coz i've never seen the outer limits!)

Perhaps we could see the Romulan view on the Dominion war, then move onto how the Ferengi made money out of it, then move to some shields/weapons research department of Starfleet, and so on.

It would definitely be nice to see how the various characters have progressed. Anything could have happened to them. Some may be dead (Wars do that to you) others may have been promoted, some may be on new missions, some might have married/conjoined/partnered, or have kids, etc. etc.

This storyline could be sort-of incorporated into the colony storyline as well, with an episode about how resources are gathered, then one about diplomatic contacts, (New races and old) then one about some crisis (Disease, lack of resources, etc.) then have one about some new structure being built etc.

All the time, new characters would be included, whilst you may see characters from previous episodes moving around in the background, or they may have a few lines etc.

Perhaps, as well, a family or something could be added, to act as a sort of 'tie-in' background story, about why they have moved to this new colony, how they set up their home, make friends and so on. If there are going to be jumps in time, (Like the 40-year one etc.) then different stages in the families' fortunes could be shown. Even the crew of Voyager was considered as a 'family'.

Yup thats what I meant .

Well then there you go, i've put in some ideas already, and i'm not gonna repeat them (My fingers are aching from typing)

Guys....

Isn't it amazing how things come full circle.

Check page one of this thread.

I'd forgotten about those posts...you're right, SonOfMogh, full circle it is!

Thankyou Zell, for reminding us of what we have already done! We'll have to think of something else now.

SonOfMogh, perhaps this shows that you had the best ideas after all. We've just sort of...tweaked them...<ahem>

Cool thing with that format is you can go anywhere and see anything.

Anyone have any ideas for stand alone episodes?


*An epic two parter showing the Cardassians decline from peaceful spiritualism to ruthless militarism, shown over the course of decades.

*An episode based during the Dominion war aboard a Romulan Warbird. Fun to see them talking in the messhall about the Federation and their thoughts on the war etc.

*An episode following a Changeling that just infiltrated the Federation. You wont know he is the changeling until he is killed.

*One from the view of the borg as they do their every day assimilation

*A Q episode in which Q is stuck on a planet where his powers wont work as he would like and he gets into deep trouble with the natives.

*One where you follow a Fed Fighter pilot in one of the dominion war battles.

*A Klingon doc who treats the effects of loosing head ridges

Well, like you said, this format could anything.

How about an episode, about how Cochrane discovered and developed warp physics (Not the first warp flight, coz that's been done)

Or perhaps the 'aftermath' of the Vulcan first-contact could be shown - Enterprise is set about 50 years after this, by which time Earth has stabilised, and wars/famine/disease etc. have already been eliminated. How was this done?

There could be episodes about the Moon and Mars colonies, and what about the Orions? They were originally part of Starfleet, but broke away and 'vanished' when the UFP was formed. What happened to them has never been looked at in detail.

It would be great seeing other races views' on familiar themes, so perhaps we could see how the Klingons and Romulans originally reacted to the Khitomer accords, or what about when Sisko persuaded the Romulans to go to war against the Dominion? Surely the Tal Shiar would have gotten into some sort of difficulty with the Praetor, for 'not identifying the Dominion threat themselves'?

How about, also an episode, with the Bajorans, when they started to use the solar sails, and their first trip to Cardassia? (As well as the crash landing)

Any of these ideas could be included, and since they aren't an individual series, they could be shown monthly etc. as you said SonOfMogh.

What could this series be called though? How about
Star Trek: Journeys
Or
Star Trek: Beginings (This one would mean you could only really do 'early' episodes, unless episodes were done along the lines of the 'begining' of the Dominion war etc.)
Or even
Star Trek: Voyages (Or do you think this one is too much like Voyager?)

Do you even agree with the Star Trek prefix? I have a friend who refuses to acknowledge Enterprise as Star Trek, just because she feels they have made too many 'mistakes'.

I really like all those, the last one sounds interesting...

The fighter pilot thing is cool, a perfect example of something that wouldn't work for a series, yet works so well as a one off.

The Q ep would be hiliarious!


I think the other benefit of this type of show would be the fact that since you may never see any of these characters again, there's no problem having the good guys lose as often as they win. I'd like a show set on a Romulan ship, getting orders to attack a federation installation somewhere. Seeing the crew talk about how they wish there could be peace with the federation, some arguments, familt scenes etc. Then have them arrive and decloak, only to find a federation ship waiting for them, something familiar like the Enterprise or Defiant. You'd see the entire battle from the romulan's viewpoint, staying with all these characters you have an emotional investment in being killed one by one.

Would kind of show the other side to all these episodes where the good guys are blowing up the 'evil' aliens.

They're cool too. Aftermath of first contact would be cool.

I'd call the series Star Trek- something...

Maybe st- Anthology, or Miniseries or New Adventures.

dunno if yall know this but enterprise is gonna do the storyline of how the klingons lose the head ridges, think its called epidemic or summat like that, i personaly love every episode with Q in and am kinda expecting him to turn up on enterprise some time in the future like guainan may be doing, i also like the idea of it taking off from where "first contact" took off, i also think i remember reading a short story set on cardassia during the cardassians enlightened age and how a solar ship full of bajorans triggered it's demise, also read one about how the federation of the future descovered how the borg was created, they atarted as fully organic but suddenly came down with a major epedemic .. kinda like the phage i guess .. and created nano probes to combat it .. unfortunately the feds of the future got a little too curious and went back to observe it happening, and during the feds observations they contaminate the nano bots thus in effect creating the borg ... big oopsie ... i guess that'd make a pretty interesting single episode, especialy when an unsuspecting first contact goes pear shaped ending up with the aliens getting assimilated along with they're technology thus giving the borg space travel yuk yuk yuk

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some fans continued the TOS storyline from where the last one finished, all the cast are trek fans who decided to do it for charity, theres a few episodes on the site you can download and enjoy for free
http://www.newvoyages.com/

sorry i've been away, but on the colony series...

The wormhole would only be a one way trip. After the first ship arrived, they realize they can't go back, and that's how that one ship got there.

Starfleet eventually got the message from the first ship, and that's how they found out about the colony. Knowing that starfleet can only travel there and not back, they decide to send one ship to defend the colony, and whatever supplies needed to establish an outpost. This would be how the outpost was built.

This is where the series would take off. First episode would show the colony ship there, setting up a colony, they jump to when the ships arrive to set up the outpost, and thats when starfleet learns about the confederation and other info about the new "empire".

They decide to send an ambassador to the outpost to begin talks with the confederation. This is how the icy relations with the confederation is begun. Starfleet knows they can't mount an offensive, so they decide to push for peace. Maybe even have the SF ship come to the rescue of a confederation ship that is attacked by pirates or something.

Starfleet won't risk sending any more ships because it's a one way thing, but they can send supplies through the wormhole on automated barges or something like that.

This would solve the issue of starfleet flooding the system and everything that follows. They would have an outpost, but no real muscle in the area.

I wouldn't want this to be a war oriented series, but there could be a few skirmishes to keep it interesting. Also they wouldn't follow starfleet "rules" all of the time. They would have to develop their own rules based on the region they are in.

Eventually, they could leave the feds if they stopped providing support, but i don't think that would happen.

Either way I'd love to see a series based on a truly distant station that doesn't have starfleets muscle to save them whenever they get into trouble.