Okeey lets discuss the games, what can we except from both sites? Well i think you can expect a lot of ports of the PS2 to the PSP, which i don't think is a good idea, but well the mainstream will buy it. It's the same that Nintendo had done with the GBA and the SNES. Anyway you can expect quite a few fighter games on the PSP, and less on the DS. It's just do you prefer Nintendo games (and i mean here, games that have been released on the GBA, so not only the socalled kiddy games that i play on my GameCube that i have under my TV, and some of them are perhaps the best games ever created) over Sony games (most are bad, but their are also quite a few which are good).

I started this thread just to see and discuss what others think about these two things. I don't want stupid fanboy/girl discussions i want really be open for both options. No flaming, or posts will start being deleted, i have seen this to often on other forums/sites.

##&% Consoles they were the demise of good PC gaming.
And yes I actually live under a rock didnt even know about the new PS allthough friends of me work for sony.

ehm these two are handhelds. Do i need to add some pics?

pfft getta laptop it impresses chicks and makes ya look nobby, ya got a huuuuge screen thousands of games and movies, can plug it in on trains, do wireless networking+lan games, play BOTF on it, next year there will be another handheld and so on in perpetuity, the way i see it if you wanna play games at home use a pc if you play em at school/collage you get sucky grades, if you do it while you socialise you end up with no life, if you play it on the bus you miss your stop and risk getting mugged.. least ya can beat a mugger to death with a laptop :D then claim on the insurance..

See I told ya I have no idea that they even existed

Well their are positive things to consoles and handhelds. They are really amazing for multiplayer. You can just go on wireless with these two new handhelds and play anywhere you want, not behind a desk or something like that. The same goes with consoles, you all have a joystick and can sit on the couch and stuff like that with really much more easy then you would have with a laptop. Or you can go and play online with these games which will be possible for all three gaming consoles. The games released on these things are a totally new experience compared to the PC. We see on the PC a lot of Shooters, strategy games which i really like, but on consoles we also see a lot of adventure or platform games. More RPG's and stuff... It's just what you like best and i like both.

Ok I wont get into a argument I just have a deep distaste of consoles and where the gaming industry has gone the past years. Actually I was and still am deeply happy with many games that came out in the late 80ies and early 90ies.
Thats why I am looking forward to BotF2. Cant wait to see things like hexmap, Master or Orion style 4x gaming and StarTrek combine into one game.

Games like this are just not been done these days around and if someone tries the game gets f***** ** like MOO3 was. But then again this trend has a good part too as most games that I play nowadays are either noncommercial or are abandonware or fanmade remakes and I havent paid a cent for a new game for about 2 years.

lol half the games on pc comprise of RPG or partial RPG, Try vampire the masquerade bloodlines, i agree with Zell i love games like BOTF i also like ufo enemy unkown, i usualy also like to play morrowind, the might and magic series, used to play everquest and ultima online, i had a Lynx handhelp once, they made about 20 games for it about 2 or 3 i liked n discontinued it, i think every RPG i ever tried on console or handheld was just so liniar, i give you the fact that yes you dont have to be at a desk to play handhelds or that you can play them stood up... but i dont like to play games stood up i prefer to sit down and a laptop is kinda usable on ya lap hence the name, handhelds? ok for schoolkids, for a hard core gamer itd be a case of nein danke, Hold a LAN party n youl know what i mean fix up your mouse during unreal and you can still drink beer while shooting your friends cest magnifique.. remember the last big craze? N-Gage nuff said

If you call the the N-Gage the last big craze wel then....

N gage did rock, just no one near me had one

i dont see the point in handhelds, all the decent games are generally re hashed classic games that were on the mega drive or snes, whats the point download a emulator and the roms and plonk the lot on ya laptop and hey presto ya got a mobile games console that can do a hell of a lot more than these new peices of junk. plus a laptop gots more battery life than the psp. i'll wait for the ps3 which is fully compatible with ps2 and ps1 games. plus the idea of missing my bus and playing games in the rain dont sound like a wonderfull games player to me.

First of all you can barely emulate the DS because it has two screens, one is a touschcreen and the other a normal screen.

About the PSP it has really got strong graphical power, do you think that they can create a stabil emulator that can be played on a avarage computer?

I do see your points about these devices though. I myselve will also buy one of the three main consoles that will be released in ~2 years. And the Ngage might be a cool thing, chris_heighton. But it sure is a funny look when you are calling someone, and it just didn't had support that is why they sold so little of it.

see maybe if in the ds or psp could be used as a mobile then yes i might get it, but seeing as most handheld games are rehashes or ported games from the main consoles, i dont see much point, mise well wait for the ps3 and the gamecube 2 for me. plus with nintendo not doing so well with game developers i dont think many games will come out on it, i only got the gamecube for the rogue squadron and resident evil games, i have far more ps2 games with the dynasty warrior games being the best

Still can't wait for the new Zelda, i agree that Nintendo isn't doing a great job, but i also think that the games on the Xbox and the PS2 are most of the time not really good. I hope that Nintendo will bring a revolution (also code name for the new console) into the gameworld, but i doubt it.

I'm a massive Nintendo fan, and always have been. The ONLY games that I liked on the playstation, were the Crash Bandicoot games, and I've liked what i've seen of Grand Theft Auto, but that's it.

I don't like the Xbox, mainly coz Bill Gates made it. I do have real reasons for not liking it though. I don't know how anyone got used to the controller. it sorta looks like the Gamecube controller, but it is nowhere near as comfortable. After a few hours, it made my hands ache. I've never had any sort of trouble with the Gamecube controller. I don't particulaly like the games either, they are just about making money. At least Nintendo tries to be innovative (Although lately it is failing)

Nintendo has always been the one for me, ever since I got my SNES with Starwing (I've even got the original packaging - does that make me sad, or a good businessman?) 8O It even still works, although I do have an occaisional problem with getting it to actually turn on!

The Zelda series are the games for me. I've completed every one, except the NES one (But only coz i've never been on it) I agree with you Iwulff, can't wait for Zelda 2. The Movie looks just <shudders of intense graphical pleasure> and the screenshots are amazing!

Anyway, you said you didn't want any fan listings, so i'll (Finally) say my peace.

I'm gonna buy the DS when it comes out. Touchscreen, dual screen, long battery life. Exactly what I want. The PSP just has no appeal to me.

i voted niether
consoles are crap

Ya I aggree, computers can do so much more!
-Jega

The type of games that are on the console are sometimes much better then on PC. I think that the PC market is declining and now more aiming towards consoles, and this is for a reason. The next consoles will probally be more powerfull then the PC's available at this point, with double processor, and specific made grafic chips. They already use 128bit on the consoles processor which is a bit higher then the 64bit that is used by the new Atlhons and then the 32bit that is normally used.

I agree that computers can do more then the consoles of today, but do not be fooled. The new consoles will have more options and technology implemented, i have no doubt that Microsoft will release some sort of home entertainment center with its new Xbox, which would be about the same as a PC. I also think that Sony and Nintendo will give us new things that will be amazing. Don't think that Nintendo gave their project the name revolution without at a reason. In a way i think that the console and PC market will grow into one in time.

pc's of today have better graphics and memory than consoles today by about 200% at the moment, its consoles game look greater cause they relie on outdated televisions to view the games, you forget consoles only are projected in a max view of 640x480 at 60hrz range, thats about half the resolution and 25hrz lower than what games are designed for today on pc's and pc's have been using 128bit graphics cards for some time, the only slow thing in pc's is the processor and that only 1/3rd the equation of what a game is. pc's have been using advanced memory and graphics cards for some time. the only reason software development for pc's is slower cause its not designed specifically for games, for the 300 pounds they charge for consoles when they come out, you would think they would be advanced but thier design is only one thing plus consoles are designed for kids, wereas a pc is for adults, you dont get many strategy games(thinking man's games) on the console because they are designed for action,sports games mostly

plus you dont get porn on consoles, fnyark fnyark .. hmm you cant mod console games .. you cant brows the web on a console ... you can watch dvd's on some consoles but cant watch vcd's unless you get it chipped ... i dunno why but when i see somebody playing a handheld out in public i tend to think of em as a rather sad knob .. ahem ...unless they are kids, ... a pc has a billion and one uses while a console/handheld has one

I think you hit the big key! You can't modd consuls which definitely makes computers superior in all ways not just performance!
-Jega

i know about the resolution and the hrz range. The processor is 128 bit of a console. You know just as i do, that the main addiance of consoles are adults. I know that a PC has more options then the consoles of today, but i also said that new consoles will utilize new options, and perhaps even have PC like options. Modding ofcourse is a major down point for consoles. But anyway i think playing behind a console can also be fun, and if you are blind enough to not see some of the greatest games ever released on consoles, and like your talk you have never touch them.

About your adult games raiden. Do you think you are a man when you play games with lots of blood in it? Do you think you are a man when you go into war behind your PC? I mean that's bullshit, if you like games like Mario then this wouldn't mean that you would be a loser. And you don't get many strategic games on consoles, because they are games that are much easilier to be controlled and played on PC's. Also your opinion about a console having one use is ridicilious. You have a console for games nothing more nothing less. You just sound like fanboys you know... I really like my PC and my console both. Because of their games and options. Just please stay open minded.

I've got a lot of games for my PC and for my consoles.

For my PC, I have mostly god sims and city/empire/world/galaxy creator games (Like the sims, civ2+3, settlers3, BOTF obviously, etc.)

On my consoles, it's more of a mixture, but i usually play RPGs and shoot-em-ups (Like Zelda, Mario, Wario, James Bond, Starfox, Donkey Kong...basically i'm a big Nintendo fan, as I said in my last post)

On my hand-held (Still Nintendo) I also have mostly RPGs, and if anyone else has a Gameboy advance, I RECOMMEND the Golden Sun games - i'm absolutely addicted to them! (And have just realised i've spent almost 400 hours playing them since I bought them...) 8O

PC will always have advantages over the consoles - PC's are designed to do more than a console. The next generation hand-helds will have more options than older ones, because otherwise people won't buy one, unless the games are really good.

People are impressed by choice, as well as graphics, music etc. A PC has all of these, so will automatically do better.

A console is designed for one purpose: gaming. Playing on consoles may sound kiddy, but they're good if you have a few hours to spare, or your PC is being fixed.

Face it, they both have their advantages, and people aren't just going to give up one or the other, because a couple of people say something else is better. (Of course, the more people that say it, the more likely it is that I will be proved wrong, but lets not focus on that for now...)

i still remember my first pc a sinclair zx81 with a massive 48k ram, it had such fun games like frogger, dino island, indiana jones oooh then i got my first console THE first console with pac man and space invaders. i dont remember any more after that till the master system, then i got a mega drive just to get sonic .. wow what a game that was... oh i forgot my amiga, and amiga a1200 .. oh then i got my 3DO ... then playstation ..in between this time i had handhelds starting with donkey kong, game boy and lynx. then in 1998 i achieved my goal i got a pc, it was a p2 333mhz 5ghd 64m ram 16 meg ati rage pro graphics card ... i had that till around 2002 when i built the one im using now, p4 2.4gig 1gigddr ram abit motherboard, 60gig harddrive nvidia gforce 2 i think with 128mgddr, audigi 5.1 sound card with 5.1 surround sound amplified speakers, CD, burner , DVD, no floppy drive ... only thing that i have ever had to change was my power pack, its now being held in with a combo of ductape and dental floss ... untill i get a new case, the only computer training i have ever recieved it about 1 month using a bbc basic in my old school math class, i hate to sound like a vulcan but a pc is logical, i HAVE experienced consoles and handhelds, im sorry if my interest in pc's sounds profound it's because i have atention deficit disorder and pc's are the only hobby i have, lol fanboy, i spose im a suxxor noob as well and you could pwn me roflmao. keep it light man this is only friendly banter and theres no harm intended

consoles have allways been aimed at people under the age of 16, look at mario sunshine, the colours and looks of the characters were designed for children, all the way back to the first mario on the nes, alot of adults only play mario for the sentimental reason that they played mario when they were kids, i do for that reason. but you cannot say that you get games like botf and civilization which are games aimed at people with a bit more of a intelligense and strategy in great amounts on the consoles, cause thier main market is in selling games aimed at under 16 years of age or other wise you would get a more 50/50 range of games with a over 18 rating in games for the console which quite frankly you will never get

another example of this is fighting games on consoles, thier is definatly more button bashing fighting games on consoles in the amount of around 2/3'rds of fighting games button bashing fighters, which are aimed for fun and for people under the age of 16. the type of fighters that are aimed for adults are very few, for example the only ones i can think of are tekken and mrotal kombat.

another example is if you collated all the age ratings for games on the gamecube, the average age rating would be about 3+ to 8+ and only about 10% with a age rating of 18+ with about the only games being the resident evil range. this proves my point that the games brought out for the gamecube and other consoles are mainly designed for under 18 year olds and so are designed for children

also the ps2 has had a mouse and keyboard for some time, if the consoles are designed for adults then why are thier not a market for strategy/god/turn based strategy games appearing on the consoles ? , the reason is the consoles were not designed for adults and they were designed as a present from parents to keep thier children entertained. god the amount of men i know that want a console and cannot get one cause thier wife will complain and have children so they have an excuse to buy one and play it with thier children is unbeleavable

i cannot say i've seen a mario,sonic or pokemon arcade machine in a pub ever, mainyl cause it would not provide enough revenue to provide a profit and that they are designed for children, look at the sales figures games designed for children way out sell other areas of consoles, even grand theft auto series is a game design for teenagers, i've had a mate work in game for years and grand theft auto is mainly baught by teenagers and mothers with a present for cristmas in mind

still tests has proven that consoles are most bought and played on by adults. Perhaps they have bought the console for their kids, who knows? But their are enough games on these consoles that are really worth checking, and are definitly not for kids. But please everyone knows that strategy games and even shooters, are much easier played on PC's. Something else because a game is rated for +3 doesn't mean a 30 year old guy can't play it. It's just that their are a lot of games out their for consoles worth checking out, and a lot of PC gamers refuse to look at them.

Michae1ange1o, do you realise that even Microsoft word wouldn't work on your original pc, coz of the amount of ram? (Where could I get one by the way?) Stupid progam!

'Would you like help?' 'No.'

'I can help you if you want.' 'Go away!'

'Would you like help with this feature?' 'I'd like help to turn you off!'

'You have tried to close me several times now. What would you like to do?
1) Turn me off again, and pray I don't come back.
2) Sell your soul to Bill Gates, and I will turn off permanently.'

'I'll buy an Imac, so I can forget about you!'

'Option invalid. Imac's are made by the Devil. You don't want to work for the Devil, do you? Keep your PC. Buy more Windows. Windows 2005.1 is now available. Windows 2005.1.5 is now available. Windows 2005.1.5 has better functionality...'.<I pull the plug on the computer>

'Windows has detected that you have pulled the plug. What would you like to do?'
1) Put the computer into standby mode, while the national anthem of Bill Gates plays in the background, at a continually increasing volume.
2) Delete all info from the hard drive, so you will have an excuse to buy the latest version of windows...'

Anyone else have a similar problem with windows?

I like ranting about stuff, I do.

Damn that EVIL paperclip! i never wanted anything to die so much in my life, Picture charlton heston in front of the remains of the statue of liberty on the planet of the apes "Damn you all to hell!!" the paperclip is Borg "I am paperclip of Word, Resistance is futile, you will be irritated, you will put down your weapon and lower your blood pressure, we will add your idealogical and technophobic vindictiveness to our own"

What realy is sad and annoying is that the main commercial interests have shifted from PC gaming to Consoles which basically killed more inovative PC gaming.

Victims this far are:
The old adventure games (Lucasarts and Sierra made hilariously good games)
Sierra was bought up and the Adventure branch was cut, Lucasarts shifted its focus to console games with few 3rd company games developed for the PC)

Turn based Strategy games (hardly any come out these days and even fewer are worth mentioning)

RTS games are replicated time after time again with no real new addition to them appart from better graphics. Only sole exception beeing the Europa Universalis games which were great but start to repeat itself without realy adding much to the design.

Space Simulators died years ago with a a measly one or two coming out every year or two

Only things you get for the PC nowadays are FPSs and those RTS games which didnt realy evolve anywhere since the days of the original dune 2.

The only real interesting designs you find nowadays for the PC are independently developed on the net like BOTF or Vegastrike are.

thier i still some good developed strategy games out thier, conquest frontier wars was one, a game were each level had you exploring accross multiple maps and also warcraft 3, was a great game when it came out. but if your looking for action and rpg games then ya better get a console cause consoles are best for them. thier still turn based games out thier, age of wonders 2 i thought was fairly good and galactic civilizations was allright but i got the feel that the game was rushed through a games publisher, cause a campaign with just 1 race in a turn based strategy game is just feeble