The idea of sending an Ambassador sounds about right. They were equipped for peace negotiations, and the Federation wouldn't want to send a pride-of-the-fleet Galaxy to such a far-off (And cut-off) place. Thing is, though, who would actually want to be part of the crew of such a ship? There is NO way back.

The Ambassador would have to have the crews' families abord as well - perhaps this could cause problems for the colony at first, with all these new people arriving all of a sudden, with no means of long-term porvision of food etc. but having what they would think was 'amazingly advanced technology'. (Remember they were on some osrt of sleeper ship) They would also clash a bit, because it is possible that some of the technologies that the colony has developed, or 'acquired' were banned by Starfleet.

You could have an episode where some disease that the colonists have, may spread to the crew of the Ambassador. The disease may be something that has been wiped out by the Federation, but the colony has just built up a natural immunity to it.

You could even have the oppostie happening, where something like the common cold could be deadly to the colonists! That could create problems for a while.

Whatever happens, there will be some sort of strife between the colonists, and the Ambassador crew, before they get used to each other.

Oh, and it seems that we now have two story-lines colione, if you check the previous posts. I was sorta wondering why you had gone quiet.

Happy new year! (Actually, it's not for another 20 mins for me, but you might be in another time-zone!)

lol sorry i was bombarded by work lately... i'm sick of the holidays lol

Disagreements between the colonists, and the crew would drive the show. kinda like a soap opera.

SF might actually get lots of volunteers to go on a mission of this type, if for nothing else, it's a true frontier mission. No admirals sitting around telling you what to do, you just do what needs to be done, which is why some SF rules would go out the window.

The beauty of a one way wormhole is this.... SF can send food and other supplies to them, but any ship they send the stuff on won't be able to come back... Maybe auto pilot could take it back to sf space, but it would take forever. Hell, maybe they could even use the cargo ships to start a trading empire of their own

I love the freedom of not having a job! But I start uni in 9 days time

I doubt the colonists would even think about sending the ships back. They would take the ships apart, to get resources, or they could refit them, to provide additional vessels, to help defend the colony.

Perhaps the cargo ships' could be similar to a colony ship, (Modular in design) so they could be easily configuarble, thus allowing new structures that could be easily built from their hull?

The colony could be sent 'orders' by Starfleet, but since there is no way of Starfleet checking out about what is happening, there would be no point in sending any.

I see what you mean, there would be people that are gagging for a job/chance like this. I doubt the Federation would want to send one of their best Captains/Admirals etc. but they would want someone who has a lot of authority. They wouldn't want a potential criminal running the colony!

I think its about time Hobbit's were introduced into the trek universe hm the UFoH united federation of hobbit's .. or the hobbit star empire, s already got elves heh

Might this be an opportunity for the Maquis (sp?) to carve a new space for themselves? (Assuming this set in that time frame.) They might come unsanctioned and unbidden, causing, at least for a time, yet more friction... Though their militia experience would certainly be useful.

Other disenfranchised persons may also try to get there -- a perceived opportunity for freedom and release from oppression always halo-ing the unknown... Which might mean at some point the Confed demands the Feds to keep their "trash" out of their space; forcing them to blockade the wormhole's entrance.

I'm not sure I like this wormhole thing, by the way. Trekno-babbling a wormhole that is stable in one direction but not the other? It kinda bothers me.... but that's just me. I know there's a long an not-so-proud tradition of cannon trekno-babble.

Maybe some accident caused by an omega explosion damaged the far end of the wormhole, thats why you can't travel both ways...

They could send a good captain or such that has fallen out of favor with the federation council. They figure if they send them away, they'll be out of their hair. This would give that captain the wide berth to break fed rules when necessary.

I agree they would take the ships apart and use them for resources, buildings, or even keep them and build some weapons into them. That would keep the show cannon, but allow many different types of ships in the show. It would be hell to keep up with each ship's abilitites, but they would all be cargo based.

I only ask if a show is developed that I be able to offer input, or even write an episode or two

Oh, you lot have been busy with your posts!

Hmm, the UFoH? Perhaps the Dark Lord could be the Borg? And as you said, the Elves are already in this! (So are the Humans) What about the Dwarves, Ents, etc?

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The ships would be hell to keep up with, but it would be a good platform on which new technologies could be introduced. (Weapons, defenses, cloaks (?) etc.)

I like the idea of the Marquis being in. Perhaps a couple of the crew from the Ambassador could be Marquis sympathisers?

They could see the Confederation as the 'New' Cardassians, and if the new Captain is sort of a renegade, then he/she could be inclined to listen to the Marquis?

This would most certainly raise tensions, if they were to begin raiding missions and the like on the Confederation.

This could even be the kick-start the Confederation needs to begin developing counter-Federation weapons...

Hrm... Interesting. But, no. I don't agree.

The Cardassians were a direct threat to the home-worlds of the Maquis. That's why they fought. The Confederation are so far away and under so much other pressure they'd be no direct threat. It seems to me more likely the Maquis would be Confederation sympathizers as they both would be doing whatever necessary to make and protect "home", no matter what Federation rules may have to say about their methods.

I like the idea of a Maquis sympathizer (or even mole/spy) aboard the Fed ship sent to watch over the Confed.

The Omega particle damaged subspace, not space. I would argue that an Omega explosion would either make a wormhole impossible to form in that region of space or simply not effect its formation... I don't pretend to know enough about wormholes to say what cant be... So, maybe.... Hrm... It *is* an intriguing concept: that a wormhole needs subspace to exist (maybe to dissipate the virtual photon feed-back loop?) and so a damaged region of sub-space could let drop a ship out from a wormhole but would not let a wormhole mouth to form to let the ship back in. Damaged subspace could also explain why the hole was stable on the Confed side � though it might only be semi-stable, the actual exit shifting unpredictably within a light-year or so. Of course, that means you could not get out of that region of space with warp! Not sure I like that! ... Ok, but why would it be stable on the Fed side?

A wormhole is basically an area of space, where two distant points of the fabric of space have been folded together (Or very close to one another)

This means that when you travel through, you think you've walked down the street, but when you come out, you're in another country.

A wormhole is sort of the same principle as the warp drive, but on a way more powerful scale. Warp engines push the origin away from the ship, while pulling the destination closer to the ship. Technically, the ship doesn't actually move - space moves around the ship.

In a wormhole, the two points have actually already been brought together, which is one reason why we've never seen a ship enter warp inside the wormhole (Is it even possible? I'm not sure)

After an Omega explosion, subspace becomes fractured, so that the engines can't 'grab' onto it, and bend it around the ship. (Like a stained-glass window, but without the glue to hold it together - try fixing that into a wall!) The subspace is damaged, but for only a few lightyears. The destruction wouldn't extend into the wormhole, it would only effect the entrance to it, because the entrance exists in both normal space and subspace.

The 'tunnel' is made from foldings of subspace - as you get closer to the exit (From a Federation point of veiw) the ride would get bumpy, but there would be enough subspace left for it to remain 'useable'. Since a ship would be going from subspace, to normal space, it would get through.

From a Colony/Confederation point of veiw, however, normal space is fine, but subspace is pretty much destroyed. The mouth of the wormhole may still actually be there, but without the subspace connection, it would be like going into a brick wall. 8O Not nice.

I don't like the idea of warp engines not working because of damage done to subspace.... How long would it remain damaged, and would the damage repair itself over time?

Perhaps the damage occurred 75 or 100 years ago, this way warp engines would work at a limited speed.... this would allow travel by fed ships, but limit their speed.

The wormhole is a different story, maybe it needs 150 to 200 years to become stable again. This would alleviate some of the bumpiness in wormhole travel near the confed end of the wormhole.

I like the idea of subspace repairing itself over time, this would encourage the federation to become friends with the confederation before their end of the wormhole stabalizes and gives access to fed space.

i always thought of the warp engine as a device to make a ship act like a slippery bar of soap and it "warps" space to act like a sqeezing hand, nice simple sensible and a very hobbit like idea, wormhole links two spacial coordinates together granting instantanious travel from a to b, star trek made it look like a passage to make it look funky and cool wheras its theoreticaly supposed to look more like a doorway through which you can see your destination, ok yall seem mind set on this colony ship malarchy, heres my tuppenies worth, make it a sleeper ship of eugenicaly engineered refugees that accidentaly drifted through a wormhole while mid sleep, would explain the very anti terran views and the urge to make the federation taste cold steel, plus it could take a couple hunnered years to get from earth to new kahnland, im sure several generations later that the crew would have carved themselves a nice little nich in space and wouldnt like it if the goody twoshoes turned up and started to play greater than thou ... anyone notice the breen look kinda like how princess lea looked in the return of the jedi? heh i smell crossover she even sounded like one ah well

I am not fixated on just one storyline, i'll offer my views on anything you guys come up with.

The colony one is just the longest running and seemingly-worthy-of-it's-own series version, that's all. of course you could come up with better ones...

I like the idea of new Kahnland...perhaps it could be the alternate version of Star Trek 12: So very tired (According to the Simpsons)

So how about Star Trek 12: The Rewrath of Kahn?

I agree with the 'doorway' version of a wormhole, it makes more sense than Trek's version, but like you said, it was funky!

Perhaps you idea could be incorporated into the Marquis idea. Eugenically bred people might be interesting to the Marquis, so they send someone to find out (And recruit) them. (Obviously at the time, they wopuldn't know it was a one-way journey, so it was pointless) This would explain what the hell the Marquis/Marquis sympathiser was doing there in the first place.

Well did humans ever see a wormhole? I mean, michae1ange1o, did they see a doorway where they can look through? You said it yourselve that it's a theory, and in 20 years they perhaps say that its exactly the same as in StarTrek .

lol who knows if anybody has seen a wormhole, i know i havent, if i did id prolly run screaming like a big girl ^8O^ so many people dissapear off the face of the earth each year .. who knows .. heh *Twilight Zone music*. anyway, the maquis were alegedly anihilated by the cardassians but theres always a possibility they could have discovered a second stable wormhole, say in the briarpatch or some dense asteroid field, after they were betrayed by the federation they may have retreated inside and traded technology with the inhabitants of new kahnland, eugenics and they're offspring are supposed to be super inteligent so i kinda figure they would be able to have built a society nearly on par techwise with the current trek era in the last 100 years, and the sudden influx of new tech could theoreticaly put them one step ahead...

How about "Star Trek 12, The only slightly peeved Wrath of Kahn's nephew twice removed through marriage part one"

Oh, yes that title has got such a ring to it, and it just rolls off your tongue (If it can do gymnastics)

I like the idea of a sort of Marquis resurrection. Just coz the Cardassians thought they had destroyed the Marquis, (The Feds thought it apparently too) it doesn't mean that there are none left - we know this anyway, ie. HALF THE CREW OF VOYAGER!

Perhaps as you said, some just left (Possibly through a new wormhole - it might even have been an unstable one, so they couldn't get back, or could only come back halfway etc.) I bet there must be some Marquis left in Starfleet - they'd need spies - and any one of the Marquis could have just moved to some new colony, lay low for a while, then come back with a bang!

im sure they will reemerge, most terrorists nowadays run arround in cells, and they were just colonists anyhoo, plus there were federation sympathisers.. remember the episode with captain doodad and the starship uss watchamacallit when the enterprise was sent after em cuz it was running around knocking off cardie ships, so imagine what would happen if they reemerged with superior technology heh the federation would go into OMGWTF!! mode ... as for the wormhole just think of galactic shift, it could be sedately ambling along, in the badlands that can be dangerous as it ambles on its happy little way through a plasma storm for 10 years or so, noone can get in or out fer a while, gives em time to set up greasy spoons and novelty souveneer shops eh

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Q; You hit me!, Picard never hit me!
sisko; I'm not picard.

You're making them sound like Ferengi!

The Marquis were sympathizing with the Federation, because they were made up of races who were mainly of Federation origin.

When the Federation set up the neutral zones between Earth and Cardassia, some (Colonised) systems were slap-bang in the middle of these zones. Of course, many of these people didn't want to leave their home planet (Would you move, just because some government that was hundreds of lightyears away said so?)

The people that stayed, eventually went on to become the Marquis - because the Cardassians were basically trying to wipe them out, so they could expand into the neutral zone - of course, the Federation would never believe this, since they didn't want to do anything that would harm the peace.

That was why it was such a shock to StarFleet, when they captain went renegade (He was right though, and i would have let him carry on, if i was Picard - down with the Cardies, long live the UFP!) <National Galactic Anthem playing in background>

By the way, has it ever been mentioned that the UFP has a national galactic anthem? 8O

There's been no established anthem, god knows what it would be.

Michealangelo, I feel the need to point out your sig says Cisco!

*cough* Late nights ya know um mixed him up with sam fran cisco .. ya know if my pc was the startrek universe sp2 would be species 8472 .. ech thanks for spotting that son of mogh, considering i wrote that after a 2 mile stroll 10oz steak and 8 pints, im amazed i spelled Q correctly .. a ufp national anthem? prolly called "if your happy and you know it smack the borg"

Right, I got my friend to write a song for the Federation. She has no internet access, so i'm posting it up for her.

The Song is to the tune of 'Baby Got Back', which she has renamed 'The Borg Will Fall Back'.

She signs herself as Frankie McStein, so you may know of her, if you have been on FanFiction.


The Borg Will Fall Back

We hate the Borg & we cannot lie,
You are the planet, can't deny.
But when a Cube flies into your space,
With Green Beams in you face;
You get scared,
You were not prepared.
Coz you noticed that Cube was stuffed full of Weapons and Armour,
It causes an alarm-a.

Oh, baby,
They wanna get witcha,
And Assimilate ya.
My Sensors tried to warn me
All those Cubes they've got
Just look so corny.

Oh they travel through Subspace
In an attempt to perfect themselves
Well shoot them,
Shoot them,
Coz they won't stop unless you kill them.

We had our chances,
We led them merry dances
They got pissed
Off,
Started foaming like a rabid dog.
I'm tired of my Sensor readings;
Saying Cubes are coming up fast.
The alarms go off,
The Screen fades to black,
You know now you gotta fire back.

So fella's! Yeah?
Fella! Yeah?
Are you under an attack? Well yeah!
Well call us,
And join us,
And we'll help you kick their ass!
The Borg will fall back!

Yeah baby!
When it comes to enemies,
The Borg ain't got nothing on the UFP.
All the members of the Federation,
Come and sing with me;
The Borg will fall back!

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Well what do you think?
Good?
Bad?

She wants to know so i'll pass your comments on. to her.

I might even put it in a new thread, if you like it...

OMG its the Borg rap lol as done by MC Locutus

it's kinda of funny, i like it!

If you guys liked that, try going on this website: -

http://www.startrek.nl/index.php?i=123

And download (Or open) 'The Picard Rap' - this is a very good one if you hate Wesley Crusher, or would just like a rap version of Trek. (It's after all the music from the various series)

Another good one is the 'Star Trekking' one that's below it - although most Trek fans will probably have heard this song a million times over!

lol onscreen *quack* shut up whesley .. funny

Hi. Long Time Lurker, First Post. I always thought that the Anthem was the one played in DS9's "Take Me Out to the Holosuite," when Sisko and Crew played baseball against the Vulcans. This file courtesy of Star Trek in Sound and Vision.

http://home.comcast.net/~mrbenfowler/tmotthan.mp3

BTW, I enjoy this site and salivate at the very thought of Birth of the Federation II.

the King's humble servant,

Horatio Hornblower of the HMS Sutherland

Welcome to the site HHornblower! You might want a tissue for the saliva thing though! (Of course, it's not as if we're not doing that!)

Everyone is welcome to this website, so happy posting!

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I've never heard the tune off that web addy before, but it sure sounds Anthemy. BTW, What did you think of the song I posted up? My friend (Frankie McStein - the one who wrote the song, and isn't signed into the site) has a similar sense of humour to me, and god she's good at writing! 8O (Any slagging it off will be completely ignored by me, but feel free to sing it's praises - I won't ignore this)

I only wondered about the 'National Galactic Anthem' really coz of my post about long live the UFP.

Thanks for making a cover for the song, Michae1ange1o, it'll be in the shops soon! I like your new avatar by the way.

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Anyway, we've side-tracked again (This is a recurring problem in the threads' that I have posted on. Sorry about that)

Is it possible that the movement of the wormhole through the Badlands caused some damage to the Wormhole? Of course, this wouldn't explain why you can't use the Wormhole from the Confederation side, since the Badlands would be on the Federation side - unless there was a 'Badlands 2' on the Confederation side.

Hey...this might explain why the sleeper ship crash-landed on the planet - after travelling through the Wormhole, the ship ended up in 'The Badlands 2' and suffered damage, because of the Plasma Vortex thingies.

The ship would then make an emergency landing on the planet. (Crash)

Most of the colonists would survive, and they would then discover there was no way that they could get back into space anytime soon, so they start to explore, and do what they were sent for - colonise a new planet.

X number of years later, the colony has grown, and they either send a ship up, which goes on to enter Romulan space, or the Romulans discover the colony by accident.

The Romulans let the Federation know there is a Human (Or otherwise, since there were god-knows-how-many-races that were part of the Federation in Kirk's time) colony near their space. (Of course, the Romulans would take their time, so they could plan on how to use it to their advantage, and let the Confederation know that the Federation have expanded close to theie own borders - let the war drums commence)

This then gives the colony yet more time to develop their ships/colony/technology, and begin to explore the new area of space, and make new friends/enemies.

X amount of time later, the Federation arrive on the scene (In an Ambassador) The colonists are glad of the supplies, new technology and the chance to contact friends, (And make new ones) but when they realise it was a one-way trip, trouble breaks out between the colonists, and the crew of the Ambassador.

I'll leave the rest to you guys, since we haven't really discussed what happens beyond here, and this post is getting a bit looooong.

Thanx mat the avatar took me all of 5 minutes to make lol, id been playing with that cover pic all day to put on my phone, when i saw that song i thought .. well lol it kinda fitted .. especialy the pull my finger line heh, as for the anthem i personaly think the way the federation has been hit lately that it should be "leave me alone" by michael jackson, as for the wormhole, if its in a raging hot plazma storm i dont think anybody would be silly enough to try to fly a ship through it by entering or leaving

Until you enter the Wormhole, how will you know what's on the other side?

The Wormhole may have slowly moved out of 'The Badlands 2', so by the time the Ambassador has got there, the Wormhole may just be on the edge of 'The Badlands 2' (I'm gonna have to come up with a better name...how about 'The slightly evil bit where ships go boom area of space?' ) so it doesn't suffer any (Or very little) damage. Wait a minute, the Ambassador would go through anyway - they didn't know about
'The slightly evil bit where ships go boom area of space', did they? They just think that there is a stable wormhole, and they will be able to happily sail along to the planet, say help, give a bit of help, and then come home.

Ah well, yet more details to work out for the story.

easy enough, they send probes through, after a few years of destroyed probes they think the wormhole isnt stable and give up untill somebody turns up n tells em it is

indeed the romulans came a litte to short in the past, would be intresting

but an alliance between borg and 8472? sonds stupid as my idea war borg vs dominion... sure i like battles but that isnt all in trek universe. i liked the most storys in ds9, they had all like religion, battle, new contacts but always some well known, handling the bajorian past
maybe you can reach this through vulkan / romulan conflict and a open end in the fed / klingon / romulan relationships after cardassian war, maybe klingons still want their part of the cardi cake