I assume you mean the open, not-continued-as-a-specific-series storyline here?

I haven't read how far we got on that in a while, so pardon me if i'm a bit messed up here, but I don't remember the 8472/Dominion alliance inclusion in that story.

I really do like the idea about the Bajoran past though. They are a spiritual, industrious race. Then along comes the Cardasians "We want slaves, let's take that planet"

And 50 years of suppression, slavery, pollution, and murder takes it's course.

We have never seen just what Bajor was like before the invasion though. Bajor must have been covered in temples, and ruins, and cities.

Even after the Cardassian retreat, there were still places that were beautiful there (As seen by some sequences of the Bajor's surface)

Basically, it must have been like Risa or summat, before the invasion.

borg/8472 depending on the first idea of STHedgeHog
i reed the first page and answered

Ah...this is why i did not remember it! I only started posting on this thread on god knows what page myself (It wasn't page one)

Don't worry, trawl through the forums at your own pace. We've got all the time in the world...heheheh...

Anyway, where are all the original posters on this thread? Have they forgotten that we are making stories here?

Where are the ideas?

I'm still here. Not sure if I was an original poster lol, but I was on the 3rd page. I can't get online much anymore because I'm forced to use a dial up conection for a while. It sucks. Anyway, I think the real original posters have the job of starting debates, then leaving them to run themselves only to check in periodically.

I have tons of ideas for new series, but can't quite put them into words lol

So far I believe I've posted about:
An academy based series
A lost colony.

And here's another one.

A series based on a research facility. That would let us get a look into some advanced tech, but keep it within the star trek universe. Maybe they could develop new classes, and test them. With everything being as it is, some of the ships would be tested in battle.... but who wouldn't mind that?

What about the battle-testing of the Prometheus?!

I doubt anyone would say no to that!

Your lost colony ideas are still going strong, colione. The colony is the most developed of all the ideas so far, thanks to you, me, michae1ange1o (And anyone else that I have forgotten)

I definitely see the potential of a ship research facility. Such a facility would also see new technology, weaponry, and defenses being built into ships, and being field-tested, like the Multi Vector Assault Mode <Shudders of pleasure> or the development of Voyagers' armour <Extreme shudders of pleasure>

The downside to this, is that for it to be a series, there could only be a few main characters, since they would be working on several ships at once, which would only be field-tested every few months.

Another way, could be to jump forward a few months every episode, to when a new design is launched etc.

Hmm a name for this...what about Star Trek: Future Fleets?
(Please come up with something better)

Well it's times like this being a newb really sucks. It takes a long time to read through all the pages and pages in the topics. Anyway I must say I like STHedgeHog idea. My idea, and I'm not sure if someone has said this or not is to be in the 27th century and the federation has expanded throughout the alpha and beta quadrents. Almost every power is in on this collition and it is time to put the borg in there place. It would be a series that starts like most with character building episodes so that everyone gets to know the crew and the history that has past since Nemisis. Focusing on a single ship that is outfitted with armour and cloaking abilities and slip stream. After a few years the borg war begins, it takes over three years of episodes to finish off the borg, and involves an elaborate plan to get species 8472 in on the battle. It would involve many battle scenes and maybe even having the crew seperated into a number of vessels so we can see the war on many fronts. At the end of it all, the borg queen is killed and every drown is liberated and all the powers that the borg had taken over are given back their space and helped to rebuild and eventuallg join the Milkyway federation because it seems Andromeda has major powers aswell who see the Milkyway as a galaxy ripe for the taking. MUWHAHAHAHAHA! What do you think?

i like the idea of going on the offensive against the borg http://www.maximumdefiant.net/images/shipinfo/techman/teeth.jpg

thanx to jainway the fed have anti borg weaponry and shielding ... heh who knows voyager could fly again.. the reason the borg are fixated on the federation could be due to the fact that they know that in the end the federation would win

I love the idea of a Borg offensive - but I have a teensy, tiny problem with it...Aren't they dead?!

Welcome to the site, Odin, I know just how you feel about starting halfway through a thread. I joined the site 3 months after it was created, and god I had a shock when I saw how much I would have to read, to catch up with the threads! 8O

Some of the people who started off the threads aren't really postin on them any more, because they have moved on to other threads (I've currently posted on 30 threads, and it is getting a real handful remembering what goes where. if I start asking about the 'System-Wide Dome Construction Project' for instance, please ignore me!)

I don't know how Iwulff, SonOfMogh, and STHedgehog do it, they seem to be everywhere!

Anyway, welcome everyone who is new. All ideas are welcome.

Thanks for the welcome. But I do not recall the borg being dead. Maybe I missed that episode or something but as far as I know the borg still control much space in the delta quadrent. The only thing I can think of is when Janeway destroyed one network of there transwarp conduits. But that was only one of many plus the borg would still be thriving, only the ones in nebula would be dead. As for the virus, which now that I think about it is probably what you meant, I'm sure that would set them back but I doubt it would completly wipe them out. They seem to adaptive for that. Besides we could have it that it took until the 27th century to become a major threat again so that's why we hadn't heard from them for 3 hundread years. Infact, the question you raised could be asked by an ensign or junior lieutent. To which the Captain would respond, "We had always hoped that the virus had be 100% effective but in reality it was a false hope. All we know for certain is that the Borg are back and we have a real problem on our hands." With this the captain looks out a window to see a newly destroyed world which has been scoped out like the borg did in TNG. and thats how the the show ends for the season just before the Borg war begins.

Yes, I was referring to the virus as the death of the Borg.

I assumed it killed off the Borg, because the virus was planted into the Queen, since she was the one that assimilated Admiral Janeway.

I know the Queen was able to 'made' whereever the Borg needed her, but her mind would have been 'downloaded' into the body, so that she could function as a Queen.

This means that her actual mind was destroyed by the virus (If it succeeded) so she wouldn't come back.

The Queen was connected to every drone, and could hear every voice. (Remember how she noticed that she couldn't hear Janeway's, Torres's or Tuvok's voices, when they were assimilated?) This means that she would spread the virus to every drone - she would basically be the cause of the infection, and the drone could have started to reject her.

Any drones that weren't destroyed by the virus would become detached from the hive mind, because of this.

Unless the Queen was able to cut herself off from at least some of her drones - (Which would effectively kill them, since the hive mind would be destroyed, and individuality would creep back into the drones) she would be unable to stop the spread of the virus.

The Borg are like ants. If you kill off the Queen, the drones will survive, but they won't be able to reproduce (Unless there are eggs of females left) and they will eventually die from old age/starvation (Due to a loss of the hive mind, so they cease to work)

Of course, this brings in the possibility that there were 'backup' Queens - but this concept has never been discussed in canon trek to my knowledge.

You also have to remember that the virus was from at least 16 years into the future. This means that the virus was likely to be extremely advanced, and was designed to be anti-Borg.

Basically, I doubt there was any way that the Borg could have survived.

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The Transwarp hub that Voyager destroyed, was one of six, that are spread throughout the Galaxy. (According to Admiral Janeway) This particular hub, allowed Borg vessels to access the Alpha Quadrant, as well as a few small parts of the Beta Quadrant. (Other hubs would provide access to the rest of the Beta Quadrant)

Not all Borg ships have a Transwarp drive. Cubes are generally the only vessels that have such a system, unless the vessel specifically needs one. (Like the Queens' Diamond) If one was needed, then the Borg would just refit their ship with one.

By not automatically building every system into every ship, the Borg are able to save on resources.

If the Borg were to survive, they would have Cubes left that could travel to the Alpha Quadrant, and attack the Federation.

This is yet another reason as to why I think the Borg are dead.

Unless the Borg were planning on waiting to build up their strength (And build a new Transwarp Hub) I can't see any other reason as to why the Borg wouldn't attack.

nah the subspace link only stretches a few light years, its the reason the queen found a sphere in tact, it was just on the edge of the link, she gave the order to destroy voyager then evered contact so it wouldnt get infected, as an example remember hugh? the borg that picard used to spread indeviduality amongst the other borg? it only affected 1 ship due to it being out of range of the link, also the same virus was used in the delta qudrant in a previous episode of voyager called "childs play" remember the borg cube with just a few kids on? the one designated as number two was geneticaly engineered with the same virus. his name was Icheb

Also, the Borg queen also was killed in First Contact but then again that was a time thing. As for the Borg coming in force...the borg have never come in force because they have too many enemies in the Delta quadrent. Otherwise why not send 25 ships, all Cubes to take out the Federation.

sending 25 ships wouldn't be much of a story

I believe they are crippled, not dead. They would have to rebuild what was destroyed before they mounted any offensive.

I'm a little tired of the borg... SF keeps winning only because the borg don't really mount much of an offensive against them, it's like they are just testing them.

The ship testin facility would show more than just aspects of testing the ship, it would show what goes into creating one, from ground up. It could develop anti-borg tech, and eventually, show such tech in action.

There could be more than one ship in development at a time, leading multiple story lines, and leading to more ships being tested. there could be attacks on the station, as well as sabatage attempts....

I love the thought of a show being based on a station, it allows much more development of a series.

The thing about the Queen in TNG, is that she was different. (I know, it was just a different actor, but why go for one, unless you are implying there is a new Queen? Trek is usually quite good with continuity - most of the time...)

The new Queen would imply that I was right about the different Queens - or is it even possible that there were multiple Queens' - since you say the link was short distance, could there have been one Queen in a Quadrant/Sector etc?

This would explain what the Queen said about being able to hear all the voices - she meant all the voices in her part of the link. (It would make life easier as well, coz how could you pick up one voice amongst trillions? If there were multiple Queens, it would be more like one voice in thousands)

The loss of the transwarp hub could be an adavantage to the Borg - if there isn't one to the Alpha Quadrant, the Borg will find it hard (But as I said in the last post, not impossible) to get to the Alpha Quadrant.

This could lead the Federation into a false sense of security - and they could become lax again. Remember Picard noticed this when he first discovered about the Borg?

There had been no real large scale conflicts for the Federation since kirk's time (Ignoring the Tzenkethi etc.) Federation ships were crewed by people who hadn't really seen battle, and most of the ship designs were only tested in small-scale combat.

The Borg invasion of Wolf 359 put a stop to that. The Federation began refitting some ships for real combat - which came in useful in the Dominion war - and gave the Federation a real taste of war.

This would be a good base for the ship design station.

You could start off pre-Borg. Most 'new' ship designs would seem familiar (To a point) and we would see the ships being designed, built and tested.
'I'm designing a ship. Everything's happy, lah-dee-dah'

Then the Borg come. 'Oh my god, our ships aren't good enough! Action stations! Build big! Build better! Where are our weapons?

Then there is the Dominion war. 'Give me weapons, stat! Test the shields! Make that stronger! Hurry up, we haven't got all day!'

Basically, as time goes on, things would get more frantic. We would see new weapon designs' being tested and integrated into the new ships.

We could see field testing taking place (And field wrecking taking place as well)

There would be new shielding systems and engines and sensors and...

Basically, this would be fun!

some of the best technology comes about during war's, during conflicts technology jumps forward in leaps and bounds.. oh yeah id just like to point out that transwarp hubs are for the smaller none transwarp capable ships, the cubes can transwarp without em, mind you that could get changed .. again ... remember the first time they were encountered ... the baby borg were born and fitted with implants pre maturation.. next time they were encountered they captured people and surgicaly fitted them with implants, then in came nano probe injecting tubules,

Keep in mind, transwarp hubs allow the cubes to use transwarp. They need the hubs. Thats why when voyager destroyed one, it would have crippled the borg. They would have severly limited access to the alpha quadrant without it. It lets them drop out wherever they want, but they need to be in range of it to use it. Without it, they are limited to basic warp drive (or something similar).

What about the Cubes' Transwarp coils?

Voyager steals one in an episode, but they only got 300 lightyears out of it before it burnt out.

The Cubes are definitely able to use Transwarp drive under their own power, but perhaps the Transwarp Coils' don't last very long, and so have to be continually be replaced? (Unrelaiable, or Voyager just didn't use it effectively coz it was new technology)

This would explain why Voyagers' one went so quickly, and it would mean that even Cubes would prefer to use the Hubs where possible, so they don't need to keep replacing the Coils'. (The Borg seem quite similar to the Cardassians, in the respect of trying to save resources, but this doesn't seem to effect the size of their ships, as it does with the Cardassians!)

With the number of planets and systems they have assimilated, the Borg do have a lot of resources available to them, but Borg space seems even bigger than Federation space, according to the official maps that i've seen (And of course it is growing all the time) This would mean that even this amount of resources could get a bit stretched out, especially near the edges of Borg space etc.

yea, i'm sorry, i need to clarify.

Perhaps ships could use them under their own power, however, there is a limited range. say about 4-500 light years, that way, they can't just jump all over the galaxy. If they could do that, they would just send 100 cubes where ever they want and dominate the galaxy.

have to disagree there old chap, thats like saying your car has a 1 mile limit max, the reason the borg hadn't sent ships everywhere is because of the collective, remove a bee from the hive and it dies, the cube that assimilated picard had a queen on as the one in first contact did, another analagy is if your thirsty why drink a glass of water from the table across the room when theres one 2 seats away from you, gotta think logicaly about it, think like a bee why was there only 2 cubes both with queens?, in bee society when the hive grows big the queen orders imature queens to be created who then get sent off alone to start new colonies of their own, maybe borg space is made up of a collective of collectives

New queens are built as needed. Transwarp hubs are like train tracks, transwarp drives can create a transwarp conduit that can be traveled by other craft but will wear out eventualy. Transwarp hub travel is fastest, then traveling down an already layed transwarp conduit, then simply using transwarp drive is the slowest but still faster and safer than quantum slip stream.

Another thing that also has to be considered, is that the Borg would be at constant war. The people of the delta quadrent know about them, and try to avoid them but to avoid you must know where they are. Thus, they may not want to send vast resources half way across the galaxy.
The problem is we see everything through the Federation's eyes. Thus, we are biased for them and think the borg would want to take them out at all cost. However, since our view of the galaxy is limited there could be other major powers out there who give the borg a run for their money in conflicts. Thus, it would be better to attack these powerful enemies at your doorstep, rather than divert resources to conquering a people half way acroos the galaxy. Plus I think of a Risk, the boardgame, anology. In that although you may want to own all of South America you are not going to spread yourself thin over Europe and Asia just so that you can attack South America. You must also protect the homeland. Or risk losing everything, for something as small as South America.
I would also, like to comment on the ship building station. I believe that t is a good idea, but there is one flaw. In that all most all the federation's shipyards were detroyed in the Dominion war. This was hinted at the the episode when Sisco tricks the Romulans into entering the war. The Romulan seniter says"...the Dominion shipyards are opperating at 100% while yours are being rebuilt. Now I ask you, which side would you choose?"
Anyway thats enough of my ranting.

Transwarp coils must wear out over time (Or need to 'cool down' etc.) Even Federation warp drives have a time limit.

Most modern Federation ships cruise for around 36 hours. After this, the warp drive has to be allowed to cool down/recharge/whatever.

I imagine that such reasons would affect the Transwarp drive to a greater extent. The faster/further you go, the faster your engines wear out, and the more fuel you consume.

I doubt many Federation or Borg ships can go for long without fuel (Although Voyager can somehow last for three years) and Voyager did have some spare parts (Or could replicate them) This is how it was able to go so far, so quickly (Ignoring the extra boosts from Kes, Quantum Slipstream, Slingshot, Transwarp, etc.)

Anyway, I agree that there could also be races out there who could give the borg a run for their money (Or would it be Nanoprobes? ) Species 8472 can certainly beat them (Even though they are from another dimension) and certain Federation ships seem to have a knack for it as well. Basically, the Borg aren't as invincible as they seem to be. (Although they are tough to beat. Perhaps TV cameras are anti-Borg technology?)

Not only all that but most federation ships that can travel faster then their normal cruising speeds the Defiant to name an example can only travel 12 hours at their increased sped 9.9882, and thats with normal warp coils.
-Jega

i doubt that's canon. I never heard of the defiant going with that speed. More the likes of warp 7/8.

The defiant routinely cruises at warp 8.

In "The sound of her voice" the chief clearly states the Defiant cannot exceed warp 9 without shaking herself apart. In that episode they had to drain the main phaser reserves to boost the SIF to hold the ship together, this meant they could hit warp 9.5 for a short period.

The Defiant is very slow compared to most ships. I personally speculate the nacelle position of all the major capital ships (raised, away from the hull), is the most efficient for creating a warp field. Since this also increases the profile of the ship, I believe the designers went for toughness over speed.

Well I got that quote from the Deep space 9 tech manual, I was surprised myself but whats their is their
-Jega

I've heard that the technical manuals often have 'mistakes' in them that are usually only noticed by fans some time after they have been printed.

I know that they are official, and I can't actually remember of an example of such a mistake off the top of my head, but I have definitely heard of some mistakes in them. (Are the manuals canon though, since they aren't off the TV? I know Books don't usually count as canon Trek) 8O

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Federation ships can be 'red-lined' to exceed their normal maximum warp factor, but only for a short amount of time. However, whenever this is done, it uses huge amounts of fuel, and puts a massive strain on the ships' spaceframe and engines. Because of this, it is only used as an emergency procedure, and engineers don't like doing it!

There is another problem with the size of the Defiant. Warp engines are more powerful, if they are placed close together, since it is easier to overlay warp bubbles that are close together, so you don't have to spend so much energy making sure the bubbles are aligned - there is less chance for them to misalign. (This is also why older Klingon ships were generally more maneouverable than Federation ships - their engines were closer together, so they had more power)

The problem though, is that this is thought to greatly increase the radiation risk from the engines. The Klingons have also been following a more 'Federationy' aproach to the design of ships, since the alliance, and this is why more modern ship classes (Like the Negh'Var) have long, far apart Nacelles.

Since the Defiant is so small, it mean that the engines are closer together than in a standard Federation starship. The designers probaby put some 'speed limits' into the design of the ship, to ensure the radiation risk to the crew was minimised as much as possible. (Since the faster you go, the more power the engines must generate, so the more radiation is produced)

I got this info. from a couple of websites and a (Very old) Treknology magazine that I have. I agree with the concepts that they have in there, and the Treknology seems OK (Well from the point of view of someone from the 21st century!)

Ya the speed, the ALLEGED speed, (i'm not professing thats the speed ) said it was only for 12 hours. As for crew danger, yea theirs a danger but the defiant was never meant to be used for long missions. Yes need the end of DS9 you saw a lot of more of it because fans missed the old style aboard-ship star trek but it was designed as a combat vessel "escort ship" and meant to be taken out for short periods for battles and planetary/base defence.
-Jega

Transwarp, at least the way i see it based on the Excelsior project and the transwarp prototype the Ent-D found, just goes faster, prehaps it creats a field that is more stable than normal warp fileds, allowing speeds of prehaps twice or more (The Ent-D X in All good things went about twice as fast as the normal, maybe the third necell was a transwarp thingy, thats guiess work). The Transwarp Hub, didnt seem like a hub at all, it seemed more like a wormhole generator, and from what Admiral janeway was sayiung it was one of a kind. Transwarp allows you to go faster than normal, The hub creates a worm hole doing what wormholes do best, sends you instantly somewhere else.

Theres my two bits... Next post in another 3 month, lol :p

Well I haven't seen endgame since it was transmitted back in...whenever it was.

But i'm sure I remember Admiral Janeway saying 'This is one of six Borg Transwarp hubs throughout the Galaxy' or something along those lines. (This would mean it isn't one of a kind.)

I loved the effect of the Transwarp entrance. it definitely looked more like a Wormhole than a...well a speed booster! (Perhaps the Transwarp hub just gives the ships a nitro speed boost? Of course, since it is in the future, it would have to be a di-nitro or tri-nitro fuelled boost...)

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Didn't the Ent-D X manage to get to 'Warp 13?' If this was true, it would mean that it technically wasn't Transwarp, since Starfleet would have adopted a Transwarp scale. However, it certainly wouldn't be a warp speed either, since warp 10 is impossible (Or going by Voyager so-fast-that-people-devolve)

I'd love to know how the Quantum Slipstream Drive worked as well. In the episode, Voyager was able to turn, while in Slipstream - which is meant to be impossible at any speed that is faster than light. Even though the ships are technically not travelling faster than light (Or even moving) they aren't able to turn, without entering normal space first. (As shown in the Voyager episode where they were being chased by some aliens, and had to go through some dangerous nebula thingie, so they programmed the computer to make the warp corrections to avoid hitting the dangerous bits of the nebula)

Hope you backtrack and read this post in 3 months time STHedgeHog!