Selok, maybe?
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I was trying to say
Constitution ->modern saucers (starting with Excelsior and continuing to Galaxy)
crapy Rom BoP-> Modern warbirds (starting with D'Kazanak and continuing to D'Deridex)

Fair do's. I see your point now.

While the Selok is a mighty fine ship, I don't see it in this particular ship lineage. What we need really, is a ship that is bigger than the D'Kazanak, but smaller than the D'Deridex.

It should also have the 'round' look of the D'Kazanak/D'Deridex (As in the way the 'wings' curve around the ship)

It should basically look like a mini-version of the D'Deridex, but should also have a mid section (Like the two 'columns' that are in the mid-section of the D'Kazanak)

Of course, what I am asking for, would most likely end up being a fan-made ship, that was designed to be 'filler' beween the classes of ship, just like the Ambassador basically was. (Not that I am knocking it or anything)

I see the Selok as belonging to the Scout and Destroyer lineage that wes in BOTF (D'Renet and D'Ridren class)

I know, they were totally different ships, and weren't event the same types, but there is definitely a lineage, in the shape and size of the ships. (Of course this is the same as saying that the NX-01 was the same as an Akira, but that's just nit-picking!)

Maybe a Selok class escort or destroyer is good

I see what you mean. The D'Kazanak is a transition to the D'Deridex. Since we don't see any Romulan ships in the early Movies, we need a non-cannon one.

And let's not get into the Enterprise time-line srcew-ups. The site doesn't have a large enough cappacity

Destroyer or Escort sounds good. There is no way that the Selok is a Scout, and i'm pretty sure that the 'Strike Cruiser' type is being done away with. (Although the actual classes of ship may still be in, they will just be classed as new types)

I think we are in agreement then, that we need at least one fan-made ship for the lineage. (Well me and you are agreed, anyway CVN)

Does anyone else have any ideas for what a new Romulan Ambassador-era 'Warbird' should look like? (Yes, if you hate the idea, you can say why as well)

I think indeed that the more modern a ship is, the more sleakier it should be. Like i said before, i really like the D'Kazanak, it's a great design, and should come in the romulan module. Wasn't there a Romulan design in Enterprise? Can't remember how it looked... Or if there was any.

Can't say about the Enterprise era Romulan ship,. i'm still renegated to season 2/3 of Enterprise.

Doesn't matter though, Rigel, Michae1ange1o, and Kazaa are helping me with that particular problem...

It would definitely be nice to see the D'Kazanak in the game. Do you think I should send a PM to Jigaly about it?

I could send him the files for the ship...he might be able to use them...

As i recall, Jig is only (or primarly) busy with the Federation module. But i think he wouldn't mind if you would send him a PM.

i`m busy with everything, but send it my way.

there was an ENT era romulan ship, it was a small drone maradeur ship, looked wicked awesome but probably quite some work to make a model for.

http://www.ditl.org/gpns/GRomMarauder2.jpg

Freaky ship. If it wasn't green, I wouldn't have believed it was Romulan! (My operatives rely on more refined technology nowadays. Of course, it helps if our enemies have outdated information...helps with the illusion of weakness, you see)

I've sent the files to you, jigalypuff. They should've got through. I zipped them.

If anyone wants a look at the D'Kazanak themselves (And has Starfleet Command 2) this is a link for the download: -

http://www.battleclinic.com/halo_skin/docks/dock.php?start=30&r=romulan

Here's a ship that might be able to be used, it's the one in the upper right, next to the nova.
http://www.startrekaustralia.com/startr ... ser002.jpg

you`d have to get his permission first, he is very humorless whe nit comes to his stuff, and will not sit idly by if you rip his work off.
this is a great site though, some of the models are fantastic.

http://www.desktopstarships.com/StImage ... bird04.jpg

There's one here as well, but it doesn't say anything about Star Trek Australia.

Made by Mark Butcher, it says.

Aside from the drone maradeur ship that OmniQ posted, there was also Romulan ships in another earlier episode of Enterprise. Sometime during the second season while exploring a star system, Enterprise wandered into a field of cloaked, magnetic mines. One mine struck Enterprise, but did not explode. While they are in the process of removing the mine, two small ships decloak, and order Enterprise to leave this area, because it is part of Romulan space. Nothing is known about the Roms except they are rumored to be an aggressive, territorial species.

Iwulff, if you would like, I could send you this episode, or should I bring this up to jigglypuff?

i think the ship you're talking about is the early BOP, back on p.13
http://www.ditl.org/gpaf/GEarlyRomBop1.jpg

That's the ship. I remember the episode as well.

It would serve my navies well, in the Ent era.

I just realized: I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS GAME!!!
Well, along with everyone reading this...

All those Federation ships, a romulan spook here and there... A crazy Ferengi Da'Mon sturring trouble, Q, X, Z, ...

It'll be something... (:))

So is there still no consensus on a true Romulan Ubership? Anyway, some of those designs look really cool, and even I have to admit that the D'Kazanak is growing on me (but only a little)

How about this in terms of the Romulan ship list?
I = ENT (2150-2250), II = TOS-TOS movies (2250-2300), III = TOS movies to TNG (2300-2360), IV = DS9-TNG movies (2360-2375),
V = post Nemesis (2375+)

Scouts:
Early BoP - I,
Less Crappy Early BoP - II
BoTF I Scout - III, IV
*Something cool - V?

Destroyers:
Marauder-thingy - I
TOS BoP - II
BoTF Destroyer - III, IV
*Something cool - V?

Cruisers:
Tube with Wings - I (probably wouldn't exist in game, but it is canon, so I'll include it - plus it's ugly.)
Romulan-version D7 - II
R'Derex (as early step between BoP and Warbird?) - III
or Proto-Warbird of some kind?

Heavy Cruisers:
*Something cool - IV
Norexan (of which Nem. Valdore is an example) - V

Warbirds:
*Proto-Warbird - III
D'Deridex - IV
*Something that must be VERY COOL and not Scimitar-like - V

* denotes something that would have to be designed for the game.

Sorry about making this a new post, but I forgot where I was going with this. If you guys like that ship list at all (I hope it makes sense), then we only need to decide on a design for:

1. an escort/advanced destroyer,
2. A Cruiser (I really, REALLY like the R'Derex, so this could be after it)
3. A proto-warbird (see no. 2.) - maybe the D'Kazanak.
4. Something to precede the Norexan, and finally,
5. something really, really, REALLY cool to supplant the D'Deridex, and which probably shouldn't be the Scimitar.

We would need to agree on an existing ship for these slots, or would have to design our own, which would be more fun and rewarding (except to the poor soul who gets to program it in!)

Anyway, yeah. This game is going to be Fweakin' SWEET

I was gonna say that the D'Kazanak could be the proto-warbird, until I saw your second post!

Having the D'Kazanak in as a proto-warbird, would help show a design lineage (To compliment that of the Federation)

We really haven't got an uber-ship for the Romulans though. While the Warbird is a beauty, it was designed around the TNG era, and was designed to counter the 'threat' of the Galaxy. basically, as far as we know, the Romulans haven't designed anything major since then.

We are going to have to design a new ship, that is powerful enough to take on the Sovereign/Negh'Var, continues the 'twin bird' shape lineage, and looks like it could really be a trek ship.

That should be the goal for the Romulan uber-ship. While the Scimitar is pure power, and is soo uber, it is simply a one-off. Basically, (And sadly) it has no place in BOTF, as a part of the Romulan navy. It could possibly be in as a random event, but that's as far as it goes.

This means we just have to sort out number 1, 2, 4, and 5, and the Romulan ship list is then done!

Ha... Can't wait to see the designs for the Dominion, since we've seen about 3, only in different scales.

Don't forget the Klingons - nobody has properly mentioned them yet! 8O

But of course, the Cardassians are pretty much sorted out...so once the Feds and Romulan lists are complete, there won't be anyone else left to worry about!

Wait a minute...what about the minor races' ships? 8O

Well, I dont see why we cant have the Scimitar for the Rom uber ship, they just need to be handeled differently than the Soverign/Negh'Var/whatever.

First off, I know someone is going to say that they werent developed by the Roms, but the Remans. But, I think we all know how unbelievable it would be for the Remans to build this uber ship under the noses of their Romulan superiors. Because of that "mistake" in the story of Nemesis, I say why not let the Romulans have the Scimitar as their uber ship. For those of you wanting a better explanation for the Roms acquiring this ship design, while their is no cannon evidence proving this, Im sure once the whole situation with Shinzon was over, the Romulans were up in space getting every little bit of info from the wreck of the Scimitar so they could use it for themselves.

Anyways, like I was saying before, it could be the Roms uber ship, it just needs to be handeled differently. Make the ship so costly to not only build, but maintain (through credits, officers, dueterium, etc...), that even a large powerful Romulan empire would only be able to support at most a handful of these beasts. You would just need to balance how powerful they are by making them extremely costly.

Well I suppose that the new Romulan ship could be based on the Scimitar. It is true that the Romulans must have known about the contruction of it in some form or other.

How could such a massive ship be constructed, using a form of energy that has a dangerous (And detectable) source of power for the weapons, and have all the best technology that the Romulan navy has (Even though it was built by the Remans?)

It doesn't make sense! And yes, the Romulans would send their salvage teams to take control of the Scimitar, as soon as was (Romulan-y) possible.

It does raise the question though: exactly where did the Scimitar's tech come from? The Romulans themselves couldn't find it. The Enterprise couldn't find it. So who made it?

The Remans were slaves. I doubt they had the knowledge to make sophisticated systems without outside help...and then who did help them?

Yet another trek confucious I guess...

Well, I've read a story in the Tales of the Dominion War book that attempts to explain how Shinzon came to power among the Remans, and how he got control of the Thalaron generator thingy. But as I've heard before, books dont count, so i'll spare you all the gory details. (Many of the deatils were actually quite gory. Nice big battle scene with Jem Hadar ground forces vs Reman shock troops.)

I think we should just go with the Scimitar/Scimitar-based design. It's a nice deviation from the basic Romulan designing, instead of just having another warbird shaped craft.

Tales from the Dominion War is a great collection! I forgot about that part - thanks!

Regarding OmniQ -
Unfortunately, I have to disagree. Yes, the Scimitar is a new direction for the Romulans! However, it really looks a lot like any of John Eaves' other ships. It has a pretty striking resemblance to the Son'a attack-shuttle things from Insurrection, and even if that weren't the case, it is really just a Klingon Bird of Prey sans the bridge module!

The ship is cool. There can be no doubt about that. Sorry to put it bluntly, but both the Norexan and Scimitar REALLY look Klingon, only they are either big, green, or both. At Least the Norexan retains SOME of the Warbird's features (it has a partial double hull).

Basically, the Scimitar just doesn't look Romulan! (It looks Reman, which makes sense). Probert's D'Deridex is a far more logical place to start with a new Romulan ubership.

Of course the new ship would include the Scimitar's tech (esp. the cloak and double shields) as quickly as was Romulanly possible. But the Romulans are a proud race. They will not lightly forsake their design heritage and merely copy the Scimitar!

Sorry if this seems mean-minded. I promise it wasn't intended as such. I just was voicing my opinion on the Romulan+Scimitar thing. If I was too vocal, I apologize.

No reason to leave the Klingons out.
They do seem pretty straightforward, with maybe a few gaps.
Again, yearsjust show the general era, I know they won't be really included
I - 2100-2250, II - 2250-2300, III - 2300-2350, IV - 2350-2370, V - 2370-2375+.

Scouts:
Early BoP (from ENT) - I, probably II with upgrades.
*Something cool - III
B'rel - IV, V* (maybe something new for V?)

Destroyers:
ENT D-5 - I
*Something Cool - II
B'rel - III (note change of roles as ship evolves)
*Something Cool - IV, V (The mini-K'Tinga from BoTF is annoying - there is no evidence of a small version; D-7's/K'Tingas are always portrayed as battlecruisers!)

Cruisers:
D-7 - II
K'Tinga - III, IV (becoming obsolete by IV)
*Something Cool - IV, V

Heavy Cruisers:
*Please, Please, PLEASE not the K'Vort! (or at least make a mesh for it that isn't just a scaled-up B'rel! That is incredibly cheap! both on the Trek designer's part and the BoTF I programmers!) - III, IV
Vor'Cha - IV, V

Battleships:
Negh'Var - V (duh)

One special note: Can we make Klingon Starbases NOT be invincible? I would like to at least be able to attack them from within my own weapons range, or if we start out of the attacker's, logically you should be out of the SB's, too!!! (I have literally just ran straight at them for four turns before they finally decide to attack, all the while getting picked off by the SB! And this was with Legendary Crews! )

So we need a few 'bridge' designs. Klingon design follows pretty much the same pattern, so we could probably just pick and choose from existing extra designs...

The way you described the new Romulan uber-ship is precisely what I meant, Jarok!

This would be the design brief that I would have for our uber-ship designers: -

- It must be design-based on a D'Deridex Warbird, to show that it is a Romulan ship.

- It must have obviously have extremely good stats, to show it's got the Scimitar's technology.

- It must be more expensive to build than a Neg'Var or Sovereign, because the Romulans like to build big, and technically, it will be even more modern than a Negh'Var or Sovereign! 8O

- It will take a loooong time to build (Possibly 1.5 to 3 times as long as a Sovereign?)

- It will require a LOT of fuel, simply because of it's size and weaponry. Imagine the power needed to run a perfect cloak as well!

- Even with the best scanners, it will be totally undetectable, once cloaked.

I believe these briefs just about cover the new ship...so who's gonna make it?

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You list for the Klingons sounds good as well. I totally agree about the K'Vort - Make. It. New!

If you're gonna just upscale the design, at least give it a different texture model. Give it more windows, add a couple of pipes, and change the colour a bit! It isn't an older identical twin!

The K'Vort could merely be a 350m cruiser, sort of a cross between a K'Tinga and a Vor'Cha. Anyone who proposes Birds Of Prey over 110m, or indeed any 'scaled up' ship should perish!

Ps, I've returned from a long meditation on Boreth, I spoke with Khaless and now I'm back, and catching up with the forums...